a reply to: starwarsisreal
Why do we have to support either? If I was absolutely forced to choose, I'd support Assad because he's the elected leader of Syria and because
outsiders clearly don't have the Syrian people's best interests in mind. But this is really oversimplifying the situation in Syria.
1. The original 2011 protests against Assad were peaceful. The protesters wanted a new constitution.
2. A second angle to the original protests involved the billionaire Lebanese family, the Hariri's. Their family's patriarch was the Prime Minister of
Lebanon (or President, i forget) until he was assassinated in 2005. Many groups pointed towards Assad and/or his allies as the perpetrators, with the
UN inquiries and investigations lasting through 2009 or 2011. So the Hariri family helped back the original Syrian protests in order to oust Assad.
3. Assad's forces crushed many aspects of the original protests with overwhelming force.
4. At the same time, Assad rejected a proposed Qatar-backed natural gas pipeline to Europe that would go through Turkey in favor of an Iranian
pipeline. This pipeline would've been key to Europe finally being able to break free of Russian energy. (note: Europe would still buy Russian energy
but it wouldn't be life or death anymore.)
5. The GCC nations got involved and started backing militias and sending mercenaries to Syria. The fighting was now in full force with many of the
groups you mentioned getting those initial funds and arms. Powerbrokers in both Kuwait and Qatar were reportedly giving to the group that would become
ISIS at this time.
6. As the fighting continued, the Assad govt met many of the original goals of the peaceful protestors. They even put a new constitution up for a
referendum, which was adopted in 2012 (oops, you're not supposed to hear about
7. The peaceful protests got drowned out and those protestors became excluded from the negotiating table. Now the goal was to force Assad to go and
for the GCC backed groups to create the govt of their choice as its replacement, completely ignoring the new Syrian Constitution & the will of the
8. Syrians saw for themselves that most of the Wahhabi "rebel" groups were outsiders; were destroying Syrian's infrastructure indiscriminately; and
were completely ignoring the will of the Syrian people by aiming to create the govt of their choosing. The majority of Syrians rejected Wahhabism,
foreign determination of their govt, and a fake Wahhabi caliphate, so guess who they started supporting? Assad!
9. In July of 2014 Assad was overwhelmingly reelected as the President of Syria in Syria's first contested elections.
10. 2 months later the US, Jordan, and at least 4 of the GCC nations officially started attacking Syria
). Officially they were supposed to be taking down ISIS but you
11. I don't feel like looking into this anymore lol! But you can add to the timelines for yourself. European nations kept joining in (supposedly
against ISIS); Russia jumped in; Iran & Hezbollah jumped in; Israel jumped in, etc. The narrative was often ISIS
because of terrorist attacks
that our govt's convenient kept letting through in order to garner public support
, even though it should be clear from the above points that
ISIS was just the pretext.
Why would it take all of the world's most powerful nations several years to take down a terrorist group that had less than 30,000 people total? And
this was after the Turkey-ISIS oil trade scandal; the "Israel giving medical care to Al-Qaeda fighters" scandal; the constant "oops, we trained real
rebels but they immediately defected to ISIS with all of the new weapons we gave them" scandals, etc. Now some GCC nations are trying to convince us
that Al Nusra has become legit and people are seemingly falling for it.
Hmm, didn't mean to type all of this. No one's reading all of this lol. This is awkward... In short, Assad's the lesser of many evils. I'd rather see
all outsiders leave Syria, all of the paramilitaries and mercs disarmed, and then see a new wave of elections there. Let the Syrian people decide
their fate after that.
edit on 9-4-2017 by enlightenedservant because: In #10 I named Kuwait when I meant to name Jordan. Meh...