Times up korea

China is meeting with President Trump at
mar-a-lago on thursday for a round of golf and some political discussions.

China seems to be caught between a rock and a hard place. U.S. wants china to smack around korea of the north but china does not want to destabilize the area.

It could be nothing since "all options are on the table", but The Don's rhetoric makes it sound like the united states is ready to act on north korea with or without china's help.

It sounds imminent to me. But what happens if we move on nkorea and makes china or other countries upset? What a tangled web we weave.



www.foxnews.com...

It may be a dud story but worst-case-scenario it makes for some good doom porn.

a reply to: Idreamofme

North Korea is a pimple on the ass of Asia, why can't China not just deal with them along with South Korea?, why does the US even need to be involved??..

Sure SK is a US interest but NK does not pose a threat to the USA, and I certainly will not listen to any BS as was spouted regarding the Iraqi war that was meant to be over in a "matter of weeks", we all know how that ended..

Fix the problem that was caused in the middle east before heading into more conflict thousands of miles away on a different continent where there are super powers with military capabilities, save US lives and money FFS.....

RA

a reply to: slider1982

I dont really understand it either.

a reply to: Idreamofme

Why can't they just stone that spot into heap of dust with space rocks?

Rod of God

China does not want a unified Korea, so keeps North Korea going.

Only trouble is that they canot control the North Koreans. China's support of the North Koreans perpetuates a criminally unjust and repressive regime.

North Korea is a spoiled stupid brat that's been sent to their room for a long time. They are nothing. Why aren't we invading Mexico? They actually need the help, they're right next door, and the benefits of a non-cartel controlled Mexico would be much better for the world..

Korea just keeps threatening fish with their dudd missiles.

a reply to: Bobaganoosh

If you are under the impression that the US government, regardless of who leads it, is anything other than very happy indeed to have the hub of a global criminal network on its door step, then you have not been paying very much attention over the last few decades.

The US government has agents inside narco-terror and cartel groups, because the US government uses their resources both with and without their knowledge, for all manner of shady practices, from using smuggling routes to move people and material it should not have, to getting agents from place to place unseen.

I still think a "nuclear accident" is going to happen in North Korea. The word sabotage may get thrown around but no one will prove it cause everyone else would be in on it. Accidents happen ya know.

a reply to: Idreamofme

NK has a population of less then 27 million, small by Asian standard's, is constantly yapping at the US like a Yorkshire terrier behind a front door at the postman as if it has to make itself feel big, was only saved from total defeat by the Communist Chinese army, treat's it's own people often in a despicable fashion but it's party members like lord's.

Hmm, how did such a small nation ever get to be such a big pain in the arse hole of the world.

They were a proxy for both the Soviet's and the Chinese in the region, China wanted something and the world was going to criticize them then NK would always conveniantly do something to take the heat off China, for some reason I suspect that this is still the case today.

DO they need to be stopped, absolutely YES.

But this is far more complex than simple regional politics, they are still working for China even if China appears to have a hand's off approach, note how the world is staring at NK while China continues to consolidate it's illegal territorial grab in the South China Sea.

double post.

a reply to: TrueBrit

Who doesn't know that by now? Trump is on the outs with the CIA, and aren't they usually the drug runners? Go after their dark money. Two birds with one stone.

a reply to: Idreamofme

They are not just a "pimple". In its history China was defeated by Japan (an island). North Korea has a huge and well equipped army. A war with North Korea will be like the Vietnam War and one China/U.S will probably NEVER be able to win. Even the U.S could only only win over half of Korea in the Korean War. They could not take North Korea.

North Korea are obviously very serious about wanting access to markets they are being denied. That is why they are huffing and puffing. They KNOW that the West wants to get rid of them and so they take measures accordingly to demonstrate their military abilities.

a reply to: Idreamofme

Donald Trump likes to win. North Korea is a weak little state, therefore it would be easy to beat in a war. That is about as deeply as Trump has thought about the problem. Unlike Russia, which has given Trump money, and China, which manufactures shoddy Trump merchandise for him, Trump has no use for Korea (North or South) at all. Do the math.

originally posted by: LABTECH767
a reply to: Idreamofme

note how the world is staring at NK while China continues to consolidate it's illegal territorial grab in the South China Sea.

Ummm...BINGO...this will be the bargaining chip pushed by China...

The talk will go something like this...We (China) will take care of the North Korea problem...however you (USA) will quietly back away from your position in the South China sea...and also in the East china sea...

The problem with that scenario is that Trump will tell China that that's alright...we've already committed to handling the North Korea problem...and oh...BTW we're beefing up our presence in both the south and east China seas...all while massively increasing the defensive/offensive posture of our friends in the region...

See Taiwan arms sales...THAAD and patriot missile systems...to South Korea...Japan...all while persuading the continued constitutional changes to Japan to reflect a more Offensive military capability...

I can see possible interdiction blockades of the built up atols in the south China sea in the near/far future...


YouSir

a reply to: Bobaganoosh

I think you have misunderstood the situation.

Trump literally cannot go after the CIA, or the cartels, or the NSA or any of these interconnected organisations, without destroying his own power in the world as a national leader. Quite simply, America's power in the world is solidified and guaranteed by dirty tricks, shady practices, assassinations, economic vandalism, and the oppression of lesser economies. Many of the South American nations, have had their economies devastated by economic hitmen, and had leaders assassinated by US government agents over the years. The fact of the matter is, that without dirty play like this, most of America's dominance would be absent from the world... but it is this dominance which benefits people like Donald Trump and his cronies. It is this dominance which makes America such an attractive place to do business, because while things might cost more there, its not as if its own economy is under as much threat from its intelligence services, as the rest of the worlds economies are!

America is basically a shadow tyranny, and to undo the slightest bit of its power with respect to the CIA and other branches of the intelligence community, would be to remove the gun from the back of the head of the world, which would make America less financially successful, something which only a moral man would do, therefore something of which Mr Trump is incapable.

originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: Idreamofme

Donald Trump likes to win. North Korea is a weak little state, therefore it would be easy to beat in a war. That is about as deeply as Trump has thought about the problem. Unlike Russia, which has given Trump money, and China, which manufactures shoddy Trump merchandise for him, Trump has no use for Korea (North or South) at all. Do the math.

edition.cnn.com...

North Korea's population of 25 million is half that of its adversary and neighbor to the south, but that hasn't stopped it amassing a huge army. It has more than 1.2 million active soldiers, and a further 7.7 million in reserve, making North Korea's ground force one of the largest in the world.10 Oct 2015

www.nti.org...

Last Updated: February, 2017 The Democratic People's Republic of Korea (DPRK) has an active nuclear weapons program and tested nuclear explosive devices in 2006, 2009, 2013, and twice in 2016. The DPRK is also capable of enriching uranium and producing weapons-grade plutonium. North Korea deploys short- and medium-range ballistic missiles and successfully launched long-range rockets in 2012 and 2016. North Korea is also believed to possess biological and chemical weapons programs.

a reply to: Revolution9

Actually UN forces did take north korea... something like 3 million Chinese are what pushed things back to the 39th Parallel.

ETA: I am less than thrilled with the rhetoric... what happened to rest and refit time for the military.

a reply to: Revolution9

It's worse than that. The North Korean leadership knows that the nuclear option is their only effective defense. They could use a tactical nuclear strike against an incoming American carrier group with impunity; it would be an entirely military target and the United States could not risk the opprobrium of using nuclear weapons against a country it is supposedly "liberating." Donald Trump does not have a subtle mind. All he knows is that "we" have the best military, and North Korea is lead by a "loser."

originally posted by: Irishhaf
a reply to: Revolution9

Actually UN forces did take north korea... something like 3 million Chinese are what pushed things back to the 39th Parallel.

ETA: I am less than thrilled with the rhetoric... what happened to rest and refit time for the military.

Haha! Well they can try and see. I think it would end in something that would make Vietnam look like Jilly and Janey arguing over a Tiny Tears doll.

en.wikipedia.org...

After the first two months of war, South Korean forces were on the point of defeat, forced back to the Pusan Perimeter. In September 1950, an amphibious UN counter-offensive was launched at Inchon, and cut off many North Korean troops. Those who escaped envelopment and capture were rapidly forced back north all the way to the border with China at the Yalu River, or into the mountainous interior. At this point, in October 1950, Chinese forces crossed the Yalu and entered the war.[40] Chinese intervention triggered a retreat of UN forces which continued until mid-1951. After these reversals of fortune, which saw Seoul change hands four times, the last two years of fighting became a war of attrition, with the front line close to the 38th parallel. The war in the air, however, was never a stalemate. North Korea was subject to a massive bombing campaign. Jet fighters confronted each other in air-to-air combat for the first time in history, and Soviet pilots covertly flew in defense of their communist allies. The fighting ended on 27 July 1953, when an armistice was signed. The agreement created the Korean Demilitarized Zone to separate North and South Korea, and allowed the return of prisoners. However, no peace treaty has been signed, and the two Koreas are technically still at war.[42][43] Periodic clashes, many of which are deadly, continue to the present.

Who's rhetoric is annoying you? Not mine, I hope? I am just giving facts. I would not underestimate an enemy like that who has held out politically this long and has nuclear missiles.

Even if China joined America and tried to take NK out, do you think Russia would? Do you think for one moment that Kim wouldn't launch every missile and chemical agent he had against SK, China and any U.S Military?

I really don't think China will turn the back on NK. They may act as diplomat. That is the sensible option. China can "deal" with NK where nobody else can as it is they, like you said, who helped NK. Remember, back then NK was not as organized militarily as it is now. It didn't have the biggest army in the world and nuclear fireworks back then; now it does, another thing America has not been able to stop. Do you think it might be something to do with NK getting by and high "with a little help from (their) friends", too, to achieve nuclear power status?



(Joe Cocker (what a voice, from Sheffield England, too) at Woodstock singing the Beatles Song)

I am not sticking up for NK. I despise communism, but I think it is silly to underestimate a political force like that in the region, especially when Russia and China have defended it in the past and have a huge stake in it being there. It is not just messing with a nuclear power that has the biggest army in the world. It is messing with a nuclear power that has the biggest army in the world and two more huge nuclear powers that have very huge populations and armies, too. Both of them really do have wickedly long range missiles. In my opinion and U.S Intel', too, North Korea already have successfully fired long range missiles.

a reply to: Idreamofme

Doubtful times up with Korea. Trump is a temp: temporary employee of the government. Any acts of aggression or war or occupation of anyone on or near China itself will never happen just because a sitting Prez says "GO".

That decision has to be made by conversation with all our generals, military advisers, Alphabet agencies, allied countries, committees....and hell of a lot more than Uncle Don says 'GO".

Remember: he's learning the hard way that this job is not a reality show.
He was gonna:
1. Stop ISIS in 30 days-but found out he cant
2. Knows more than all the generals...and he, without any military experience, doenst know what he thought
3. Immediately repeal health care-he couldnt
4. Kick out the Muslim/Hispanic immigrants here illegally...and some, legally...but it will take much more to accomplish than he thought.
5. The Wall...immediately put up a wall and make Mexico pay for it...its not that easy, Mexico laughed at paying for it...and it'll take a LONG time to achieve any of the above.

He thought he could get all these things done like...NOW. He couldnt, can't and won't be able to like he thought.

We elected him cheering on all his promises. With Korea too...and all the rest. This is not the apprentice.

It will take world wide allied and local country cooperation. And China sure doesnt want us parking our military on their borders.