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ACA is Imploding - Places Where NO ObamaCare Plans Will Be Available for 2018.

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posted on Jun, 12 2017 @ 10:17 PM
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originally posted by: allsee4eye
To be honest. I don't think the government should get involved in healthcare in the first place. Don't feel well? Take a tylenol. There are plenty of drug stores out there. The insurance companies are too powerful in the US. The US is one of the very few developed states that does not have universal healthcare because of insurance lobby.


It's not just the "insurance lobby". Doctors and Medical facilities would need to accept a significant pay cut if the USA went to Universal Healthcare. No more $1,000 @ day for a semi-private room, or $40,000 for a gallbladder removal.

Their lobby is FAR more powerful and influential than the health insurance companies.




posted on Jun, 12 2017 @ 10:24 PM
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Actually, the US is the ONLY developed state that does not have universal healthcare. The reason is simple, the insurance companies have too much political power and they block it.

en.wikipedia.org...

Nevertheless, personally, I do not believe in universal healthcare as much as I do not believe in socialism. Wherever there is socialism, there is chaos.
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posted on Jun, 12 2017 @ 10:38 PM
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originally posted by: allsee4eye
Actually, the US is the ONLY developed state that does not have universal healthcare. The reason is simple, the insurance companies have too much political power and they block it.

en.wikipedia.org...


You are partially correct. It seems that there are 3 reasons why the USA does not have Universal Healthcare.
www.alternet.org...

On the positive side from your point of view, if the Senate does not come to agreement on an ObamaCare replacement, it's looking like a Universal Healthcare option, along with Free Market insurance, will replace ObamaCare.



posted on Jun, 21 2017 @ 11:34 PM
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June 21, 2017

Anthem Blue Cross announced today that it will be leaving the ObamaCare markets in Wisconsin and Indiana on 12/31/2017.

Indiana will be hit especially hard, because regional insurer, MDwise, also announced its 12/31/2017 departure today.

Indiana Double-Whammy: fox59.com...



posted on Jun, 22 2017 @ 03:50 AM
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originally posted by: Advantage
They cant get treatment in a timely manner here.. and we're talking kids and adults... victims of everything from rapes to murders and etc.


I know that medical technology can work marvels these days, but how exactly do you cure a bad case of being murdered?



posted on Jun, 25 2017 @ 04:24 AM
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originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: allsee4eye
To be honest. I don't think the government should get involved in healthcare in the first place. Don't feel well? Take a tylenol. There are plenty of drug stores out there. The insurance companies are too powerful in the US. The US is one of the very few developed states that does not have universal healthcare because of insurance lobby.


It's not just the "insurance lobby". Doctors and Medical facilities would need to accept a significant pay cut if the USA went to Universal Healthcare. No more $1,000 @ day for a semi-private room, or $40,000 for a gallbladder removal.

Their lobby is FAR more powerful and influential than the health insurance companies.


EXACTLY then you throw in in hospitals and big pharma lobbyists, and the billions spent to gain influence in the congress and senate, id like to see how much those healthcare companies spent on lobbying. I believe the US has more unique situations than elsewhere and its why there must be free market option along with healthcare for those that qualify for assistance.

All I know is in my small family business and my customers who are mostly small businesses Obamacare is crippling financially. Many have had to cutback employees and or purchases. And in my family's situation our business supports five families for approaching 40 years, and though business is relatively well we also been hit by our father's 3 year losing battle with cancer, even though he was insured not all treatments or medicines were covered. All it took is for one new treatment that wasn't insured yet and bam we got a huge bill to deal with. Instead of being able to hire more employees to compensate for him being unable to work, we have all had to buckle up and make do by the skin of our teeth. Don't know what we do if we lost even 15% of our current orders.

I looked into getting coverage all while Dad's stuff was going on, I really wanted to get it even though I rarely go to the doctors anyway maybe once every 3-4 years. It was too expensive, I couldn't justify it, can only imagine how much it will be now. All of this on top of concerns for my mom who's 74 and still works with us everyday, but for how long? once again she has insurance but if are hit by uninsured treatments, or long term care, like we were with our grandmothers the last 5-7 years. All this time we have been struggling pay what insurance wouldn't cover the deductibles, in home care and other misc. expenses. Our family has always and will continue to take of our family members for as long as we can, but in our situation Obamacare didn't work, and some drastic reform is needed that i am afraid isn't on the horizon. We are fighting everyday to get business, and though we aren't well off, I know there are many families that are in the same situation or worse.

For the record I'm neither Republican nor Democrat, but believe once somebody is elected I want them to at least try and keep the economy from tanking , and help lower our operating costs for those small businesses.



posted on Jun, 25 2017 @ 10:05 PM
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a reply to: putnam6

Putnam6, you are not alone. Our insurance brokerage sees lots of families who are getting hosed by insanely high medical costs.

Unfortunately, there is nothing in ObamaCare or the replacement bills, to reduce the price of medical care. They can substantially reduce the cost of health insurance....but not health care. (Everyone seems to mix the two up.)



posted on Jun, 25 2017 @ 10:54 PM
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Latest Thread-related update:

The current landscape indicates that 40% of America will have One or less (0) ObamaCare health insurance companies available after 12/31/2017.

Source: avalere.com...

Heaven help Americans who have Centene/Celtic/Ambetter HMO plans as their only choice. It's better than NOTHING, but not by much.



posted on Jun, 26 2017 @ 12:14 AM
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a reply to: carewemust

Don't I know it...

but when you see gallbladder surgery in the US at 40,000 and in India it's 4000. Something is messed up.



posted on Jun, 26 2017 @ 12:46 AM
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a reply to: putnam6


You're so right, Putnam6. No need to go to India though. Many Mexico doctors got their training here in the U.S.. "Medical Tourism" as it's called, is getting bigger every year south of the U.S. border.

List of Countries For Cheaper Surgeries: www.huffingtonpost.com...



posted on Jun, 29 2017 @ 03:22 PM
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a reply to: carewemust

Thanks for the link i'm going to bookmark it for future use.



posted on Jun, 29 2017 @ 03:31 PM
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originally posted by: putnam6
a reply to: carewemust

Thanks for the link i'm going to bookmark it for future use.



You are welcome. Anthem pulled out of Nevada today. And the 21st of the 24 government funded co-op health insurance companies failed this week.

These Trends started long before President Trump even announced his candidacy. Democrats just sat back and watched, but now want to desperately help fix Obamacare? Give me a break!



posted on Jun, 29 2017 @ 03:46 PM
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This article confirms that 14 counties in Nevada will have no Obamacare plans next year. Anthem is pulling out of all but the 3 most populous counties, and another carrier is dropping out of Nevada completely.

This is in addition to 49 counties across Missouri, Indiana, and Ohio that will have no coverage next year.



posted on Jun, 30 2017 @ 07:36 AM
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posted on Jun, 30 2017 @ 05:52 PM
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a reply to: AndyFromMichigan

June 30, 2017

The Washington Post won't let me view that page without subscribing, but they are not the originators of the map anyway. (The WaPo originates fake news and lies for the most part.)

Here is the map, directly from CMS.gov: downloads.cms.gov...
Even though its dated 6/27/2017, it's already out-of-date, because this week,

1. As you stated Andy, Nevada lost ANTHEM for 2018.
dailycaller.com...

2. New Jersey lost it's official ObamaCare Co-op, The Health Republic of New Jersey. (#17 of 24 to fail since 2015)
35,000 individuals and families will lose their coverage on 12.31.2017
www.atr.org...

3. Premier Health Plan announced it's leaving OHIO on 12.31.2017, rendering 9 more Buckeye state counties bare of 2018 ObamaCare health insurance.
www.herald-dispatch.com...

BTW.. MAJOR FIGHT has started between pro-ObamaCare Ohio governor Kasich, and pro-ObamCare Repeal Ohio state legislature.
apnews.com...



posted on Jun, 30 2017 @ 05:59 PM
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The majority of Americans approve of Obamacare. I say let it keep going. If people are dumb enough to support this disaster, they deserve what they get.



posted on Jun, 30 2017 @ 06:26 PM
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a reply to: TruMcCarthy

The alternative to Obamacare and Medicaid expansion is losing their insurance. Health is a matter of life and death.



posted on Jun, 30 2017 @ 06:43 PM
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originally posted by: TruMcCarthy
The majority of Americans approve of Obamacare. I say let it keep going. If people are dumb enough to support this disaster, they deserve what they get.


As I've said many times on ATS, those ObamaCare polls are more in-accurate than they were when giving Hillary the Presidency by 7-10 percentage points.

For example..take Real Clear Politics AVERAGE of 6 polls, that show 48% Approval / 42% Disapproval of Obamacare.
www.realclearpolitics.com...

Less than 3% of the respondents even have ObamaCare health insurance. That's like asking 1,000 random people are they FOR or AGAINST "Planned Parenthood". The answers will be driven by what they hear on the news...combined with their political leaning. The vast majority have never used Planned Parenthood.

This makes ObamaCare receiving ONLY a 48% approval rating all the more amazing, considering that 90% of the Mainstream Media only talks about the few positives that remain with ObamaCare. (Google Obamacare and you'll think it's GRRREAT!)

Now, for MEANINGFUL poll numbers, here is what people WHO HAVE OBAMACARE think of it...

www.investors.com...

Just 22% are "satisfied". In addition, there are millions of people who would like to buy health insurance again, but can't afford the $800 per month ObamaCare individual premium. (Obama said that if you make $45,000, you're rich and can pay $9,600 a year in premiums...no subsidy for you! He lied about 90% of ObamaCare just to get it passed. Jerk.)



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posted on Jun, 30 2017 @ 08:23 PM
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AETNA stopped selling plans on Healthcare.gov this year. Instead, the company sold directly to individuals and families who earned too much money ($45,000 Single / $85,000 Family of 4) to receive a government subsidy. Several hundred thousand did this, to avoid the annoyance of dealing with the government as their "middle-man".

But, due to the massive amount of ObamaCare regulations, even selling "off exchange" is a money-losing proposition. AETNA announced this week that they're leaving the Arizona direct-to-consumer market.

Arizona is down to just 2 insurance companies state-wide..

""Consumers who depend on the individual market lament the narrowing options.

Mesa resident Linda Baird, 61, said she purchased Aetna this year because she considered the network of providers better than what Cigna or Ambetter offered. 

Now, with Aetna no longer available, she said she's not sure what she'll do for coverage next year. 

"I paid a third of my income this year in premiums, prescriptions, and co-pays," Baird said. "I object to paying $1,007 a month for my plan now, but expect more of my retirement funds to be wasted next year on narrow network, expensive, high deductible limited options.""

www.azcentral.com...



posted on Jun, 30 2017 @ 09:16 PM
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Saw some numbers last week that showed the average 45 year old planning retirement at age 65 in 1997 could expect $75,000 in medical expenses after retirement if living to average age of death in USA.

A couple at that time could plan the $160,000 or so out of pocket and certainly afford the insurance rate based on that expectation.

That number is now close to $750,000 for male and something like $860,000 for longer lived female.

So who has ready reserve of $1,510,000 in bank for couple retiring today? This on top of and exclusive from living expenses.

Very very few, certainly no one of normal means.

This will bankrupt virtually everyone if nothing done on cost side.

No one can afford out of pocket expense or insurance rates to support this madness not even the government.

It's pure madness as Rome dickers.






edit on 30-6-2017 by Phoenix because: Madness



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