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ACA is Imploding - Places Where NO ObamaCare Plans Will Be Available for 2018.

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posted on Apr, 5 2017 @ 05:57 PM
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originally posted by: toysforadults
a reply to: Phage

hate to break the bad news but almost everyone whos single with no kids whos below 50k a year opts out due to the ever increasing cost choosing to pay the penalty so others can have it for free...



Hi! As someone who is single with no kids making less then 50k a year its cheaper to have insurance.




posted on Apr, 5 2017 @ 06:50 PM
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originally posted by: Pyle

originally posted by: toysforadults
a reply to: Phage

hate to break the bad news but almost everyone whos single with no kids whos below 50k a year opts out due to the ever increasing cost choosing to pay the penalty so others can have it for free...



Hi! As someone who is single with no kids making less then 50k a year its cheaper to have insurance.


The lower the income, the cheaper his/her ObamaCare insurance is. At $17,000 or less in income, it's virtually free.

There's nothing wrong with taking care of the poor, but ObamaCare incentivizes people to stay poor.



posted on Apr, 5 2017 @ 07:17 PM
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originally posted by: carewemust
At $17,000 or less in income, it's virtually free.

There's nothing wrong with taking care of the poor, but ObamaCare incentivizes people to stay poor.


Honest question,can you explain what you mean here, by the ACA " incentivizes people to stay poor?"



posted on Apr, 5 2017 @ 07:18 PM
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One thing which pisses me off about America is your healthcare system, it sucks.

Your all about the payments, the insurance payouts for your treatment, basic medical need turned into printed money for the few.

Then, you bitch about it, moaning "Well why should I pay more, when the poor pay nothing or next to nothing!"

Yet there are people in your country who are denied treatment, life-changing, life-saving treatment, because they can't afford it.

Don't get me wrong the UK isn't great...we are heading in your direction, because the Conservatives are inept (deliberately is open to opinion) but despite a tax which comes out of each and every pay packet the NHS is free at the point of use.

I mean, just how uncivilised is this in America?

If you get shot, do you they seriously check you can pay while your bleeding out on the table?

Sooner or later this resentment to paying for others needs to stop, your only doing yourselves in over it all.

Money, money, money, it doesn't have to be this way, truly, it really doesn't.

Death doesn't recognise how much you earned, nor how much you paid!
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posted on Apr, 5 2017 @ 07:27 PM
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a reply to: solargeddon




If you get shot, do you they seriously check you can pay while your bleeding out on the table?

No.
law.freeadvice.com...



posted on Apr, 5 2017 @ 07:30 PM
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originally posted by: waftist

originally posted by: carewemust
At $17,000 or less in income, it's virtually free.

There's nothing wrong with taking care of the poor, but ObamaCare incentivizes people to stay poor.


Honest question,can you explain what you mean here, by the ACA " incentivizes people to stay poor?"


Certainly. If you claim too much income, the financial help you get from the government reduces to the point where you have to pay the full health insurance premium yourself. Unfortunately, the premium is so high, and the government's definition of who is "well off" are way out of sync with each other.

If you are 30 years old and earn over $32,000 a year, Uncle Sam feels that you can EASILY afford the $380 a month health insurance premium. A completely wrong assumption. But, if that person can get their Adjusted Gross Income down to $24,000, they only have to pay (approx.) $240 a month.

I know..financially, it's better to earn more money, but in America, there are a LOT of state and federal programs that punish you, because their formulas for calculating a person's "ability to pay" are nowhere near reality.

The most savvy consumers study, or hire someone, to legally lower their MAGI (Modified Adjusted Gross Income) to certain levels that make them qualified for College funding, ObamaCare, Veterans Benefits, Home Healthcare payments, etc..



posted on Apr, 5 2017 @ 07:37 PM
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originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: solargeddon




If you get shot, do you they seriously check you can pay while your bleeding out on the table?

No.
law.freeadvice.com...


Yeah, that poster might be thinking of China where you negotiate the price with the surgeon.. while bleeding out. I do find it strange that for a country that supposedly has the worst horrible healthcare.. people from all over the world come here for care. We have a lacking insurance system.. because of corruption and a lot of back rubbing.

As an aside, right now many specialists in my area are no longer taking ANY "medicaid".. there are several plans and levels of plans.. but they dont want anything to do with it. Before this fiasco the pay was slow in coming and negotiated prices/payments from medicaid to the physician were low. Now its even worse. Im in Illinois now.. hate it here for many reasons, but one reason is I have to go into Missouri for any real care because specialists are all moving to other states .



posted on Apr, 5 2017 @ 07:43 PM
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originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: solargeddon




If you get shot, do you they seriously check you can pay while your bleeding out on the table?

No.
law.freeadvice.com...



Well thank goodness for that.



posted on Apr, 5 2017 @ 07:49 PM
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a reply to: Advantage

It doesn't make the Mainstream Media, but there's a lot of unhappiness with Medicaid, in states that accepted the ObamaCare Medicaid Expansion payments.

Before expansion, only pregnant women, and people earning under $10k, could qualify for Medicaid. Now, anyone who earns less than $17,000 a year can enroll in Medicaid.

This has created HUGE waiting lists. The "most needy" are now having to wait for MONTHS to get treatment, due to over 12,000,000 (12 million) new people being added to the Medicaid roles in these 32 Medicaid expansion states.

In my Chicago suburb, we have 6 doctors who accept Medicaid. There are 17,000 new Medicaid Enrollees. Do the math.



posted on Apr, 5 2017 @ 07:58 PM
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originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: Advantage

It doesn't make the Mainstream Media, but there's a lot of unhappiness with Medicaid, in states that accepted the ObamaCare Medicaid Expansion payments.

Before expansion, only pregnant women, and people earning under $10k, could qualify for Medicaid. Now, anyone who earns less than $17,000 a year can enroll in Medicaid.

This has created HUGE waiting lists. The "most needy" are now having to wait for MONTHS to get treatment, due to over 12,000,000 (12 million) new people being added to the Medicaid roles in these 32 Medicaid expansion states.

In my Chicago suburb, we have 6 doctors who accept Medicaid. There are 17,000 new Medicaid Enrollees. Do the math.



Good lord.. its that bad here as well. We have totally packed ERs 24/7 for normal stuff because they cant turn you away.. and they cant get a Dr close or an appointment for several months. Im right across from St Louis.. between Scott SFB and East St Louis. Nice town.. but we get all of ESL and washington park and etc overflow from their ERs.Theyre all VERY LOW income areas. People are sick. People are dying. There is a reason some of us are so upset over this ACA.. and it isnt because I have it in my case, its because I see the fallout from it.

Im a victims advocate or friend of the court.. sometimes these vics cant get into a dr. They cant get treatment in a timely manner here.. and we're talking kids and adults... victims of everything from rapes to murders and etc. I even try to work some sort of magic AKA begging to get a person in that NEEDS help and particularly during a trial... nope. Its just WRONG. To add insult to injury, when we yell about ACA being a piece of garbage, we're thought to be anti Obama and some sort of neo con racist!



posted on Apr, 5 2017 @ 08:06 PM
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a reply to: Advantage

It's hard for people to believe, but the profession with the HIGHEST SUICIDE RATE in America is now PHYSICIANS.

www.thedailybeast.com...

Over 1 million patients a year, lose their doctor to SUICIDE. That's SAD. Many more lose them because the doctor stops taking ObamaCare, due to the pay being so low with that program.



posted on Apr, 5 2017 @ 08:12 PM
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a reply to: carewemust


It's hard for people to believe, but the profession with the HIGHEST SUICIDE RATE in America is now PHYSICIANS.
False.
12th place occupation.
www.cbsnews.com...



Over 1 million patients a year, lose their doctor to SUICIDE.
False. Your own source doesn't even say that.

edit on 4/5/2017 by Phage because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 5 2017 @ 08:39 PM
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a reply to: Phage


False. Your own source doesn't even say that.

Correct, the number they imply is only 920,000.



posted on Apr, 5 2017 @ 08:40 PM
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originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: waftist

originally posted by: carewemust
At $17,000 or less in income, it's virtually free.

There's nothing wrong with taking care of the poor, but ObamaCare incentivizes people to stay poor.


Honest question,can you explain what you mean here, by the ACA " incentivizes people to stay poor?"


Certainly. If you claim too much income, the financial help you get from the government reduces to the point where you have to pay the full health insurance premium yourself. Unfortunately, the premium is so high, and the government's definition of who is "well off" are way out of sync with each other.

If you are 30 years old and earn over $32,000 a year, Uncle Sam feels that you can EASILY afford the $380 a month health insurance premium. A completely wrong assumption. But, if that person can get their Adjusted Gross Income down to $24,000, they only have to pay (approx.) $240 a month.

I know..financially, it's better to earn more money, but in America, there are a LOT of state and federal programs that punish you, because their formulas for calculating a person's "ability to pay" are nowhere near reality.

The most savvy consumers study, or hire someone, to legally lower their MAGI (Modified Adjusted Gross Income) to certain levels that make them qualified for College funding, ObamaCare, Veterans Benefits, Home Healthcare payments, etc..


I see and agree, so the ACA incentivizes people to report less and thus look poor(er). Can't say I blame them as indentured servants to economic servitude

I thought you may have meant make people stay poor literally, as in poverty level, hence the request for clarification.
Thx



posted on Apr, 5 2017 @ 08:42 PM
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a reply to: D8Tee
No they don't.




All suicides
Number of deaths: 42,773

www.cdc.gov...



posted on Apr, 5 2017 @ 08:47 PM
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a reply to: carewemust

ACA - A Crap Sandwich with Extra Crap on the Side . Thank the Dems for that Inevitable Railroaded Train Wreck . Socialism at it's Finest ........



posted on Apr, 5 2017 @ 09:10 PM
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originally posted by: worldstarcountry
a reply to: Phage

and what are some less harmful alternatives to these allegedly toxic pesticides?? I m curious, I just try to buy organic. Re they for specific types of crops, all purpose general, are they a base ingredient in different pesticides?? I must know more.


Did you know organic food still has pesticide on it? The organic food at the grocery store is still allowed to spray hundreds of pesticides, herbicides, and fertilizers, provided they "come from natural sources." I buy organic too, but I don't think it really makes a difference. You're better off finding a local organic farmer and talking to him or her directly about what they use and why. Large scale industrial organic is basically a scam. It's especially effed up when you find out how hard it is for the real, small scale organic farmers to get certified.

Edit: Thought I'd try an answer to your real question


Large scale, I have no idea, but gardeners have non toxic solutions to nearly every problem, they just tend to be hard to scale up. You can wash off aphids by spraying soapy water on them. You can catch slugs with beer (seriously!!). You can choose disease resistant varieties (but they tend to be the varieties that don't look as pretty after spending a few days in a big box truck on the way to the store). You can plant your plants apart from each other so diseases can't spread (put squash between your tomato plants, etc.) But then you'll never be able to harvest them with a machine. This is why gardening produces healthier food. It's fresher and tastier, and you control what goes onto them. But as I said, these solutions are labor intensive and hard to scale up.
edit on 5-4-2017 by anotheramethyst because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 5 2017 @ 09:58 PM
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originally posted by: toysforadults
a reply to: Phage

hate to break the bad news but almost everyone whos single with no kids whos below 50k a year opts out due to the ever increasing cost choosing to pay the penalty so others can have it for free...




Yep that describes me. It's MUCH cheaper for me to pay out of pocket. Single, no kids, $30k/year. I got a choice of 2 plans, one with a deductible or one without. The deductible was around $10,000 so if I have to rack up that much in medical bills a year I would go bankrupt anyway. The other was $345/month, which is about how much I normally pay out of pocket in a year. Actually, in a bad year.

I wonder why no politicians ever talk about lowering the actual costs of treatment. It can't have anything to do with lowering GDP or anything, I'm sure./s



posted on Apr, 5 2017 @ 10:05 PM
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originally posted by: Phage
Heaven forbid that the admin might choose to drop "repeal and replace" and work on fixing the damn thing. Because it can be fixed.


Sure it could. But is it worth it? Plus the whole unconstitutional aspect of forcing people to purchase a private service.

Yes yes I know the SCOTUS ruled... with unconstitutional adjustments. So they were doubly wrong.


Oh wait, that would mean admitting that both the congressional majority and the administration have no idea what they're doing.

Never mind.


There have been multiple bills to repeal. Knowledge is not the problem. Bravery in the leadership is the problem.



posted on Apr, 5 2017 @ 10:09 PM
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originally posted by: anotheramethyst

originally posted by: toysforadults
a reply to: Phage

hate to break the bad news but almost everyone whos single with no kids whos below 50k a year opts out due to the ever increasing cost choosing to pay the penalty so others can have it for free...



I wonder why no politicians ever talk about lowering the actual costs of treatment. It can't have anything to do with lowering GDP or anything, I'm sure./s


It's basic demand-supply economics. As long as doctors and hospitals can get the compensation they want for treating you, they have no reason to lower their fees.

If you are personally unable to pay, or have an ObamaCare policy that pays too little, or are on Medicaid, you have a good chance of losing access to the BEST physicians and treatments.




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