Video of gender-segregated Muslim school bus leaves Swedish authorities fuming

originally posted by: paraphi
Do you think Muslim gender segregation includes a secial place for trans-gender et al?

Anyway, I find this type of behaviour a real worry for countries in the West where the treatment of women and girls has been equalised across society. If groups are trying to drag the Western norm to another place where women and girls are treated as second class, then that's truely problematic.

In fact, what's really problematic are the blinkers and gags on some of those groups that promote feminism and the cause of women. For some reason, when it comes to addressing cultural issue they are silent and actually seem to defend this type of behaviour. They seem to think that Muslim women and women from backward cultures do not deserve the freedoms of white Western women. They are wilfully complicit by their inaction.

No.

For those groups, the ends justify the means. And the end is to tear apart Western Civilization. Right now, the Muslims are a fellow traveler on that journey. I honestly don't think feminist activists have thought far enough ahead to what happens when they have torn down Western Civ and need to start competing against their current allies because they will have to do it.

Muslims society may be a fundamentally socialist one, but it's a theocratic socialism, not a secular one, and those feminists are more or less looking at a very bad version of The Handmaid's Tale ... in a burka ... if they aren't careful.

a reply to: TonyS

dont worry. there i s going to be a major war soon enough that will wipe most of humanity out. Ahh I miss those radioactive deserts and huge mutated insects. forest so polluted with toxins breathing the air will cause massive hemmoraging. Scare resources and kings are the order of the day in the future as well. good news is people are still doing as they always have.

a reply to: trollz

I don't know how all this racist stuff is allowed to stay up on ATS. We all know that Islam is the religion of peace, and that Islam is a feminist religion. REAL feminists wear Hijabs! We need to respect our peace loving brothers and sisters in the middle east. They are just practicing their peaceful religion of peace. Women are NOT discriminated against or segregated in countries that practice Islam. This is a lie! This entire post is a large right wing conspiracy created by white people.

ISLAM....IS....A......FEMINIST........RELIGION!!!


Shame on you for posting these lies. How xeonphobic!

There's so many troubling issues here, the separation leads to quite severe bullying, in a normal family where there is a brother and sister there's usually a bit of friendly battling between the brother and sister about who is boss but it is normally in fun, now shift to a radical family like these seen in the video and that battling no longer is fun and its also emphasised by the parents that the boy is the leader, just like the father is ruler of the family. Te emotional bullying starts at an early age, people also wonder why the women in these families don't often change when they get to the West with all this womanly freedom, the simple answer is they are in most cases so traumatised in to this lowly role that they simply don't know a better way and just carry on, others feel too frightened to dare change because both husband and family WILL make their life hell, banned from the home, kids removed to the dad only and as always severe violence towards them.

The point, the WEST needs to step in at times like this and FORCE non segregated buses, ban these weird off shoot practices like the 3 times chanting of a word that grants the Man instant divorce (sounds like something from Candy Man) where if the woman who has no choice in this wants back to the man the males have invented a Muslim 'work around' where the wife must marry and then sleep with another man, he then agrees to a null that marriage so she can remarry her original husband. But of course there's usually a hiccup Radical Muslim style where the woman is brought often to a Mosque to meet the man for this sham marriage but instead of one man consummating the marriage the Imam brings in more men and then the demands for money start after or they will show the family the pictures etc, its so bad there are men that offer this service on social media.

And where is this going on, Iraq, Pakistan?

Well yes but actually in this case its the UK, its not a practice that most Muslims agree with but it does happen amongst the radicals who follow the Man made rubbish.

Its called Halala (which is ironic to us as they treat the women like meat) and the repeated word is Talaq.

But as long as idiots like us in the West allow radical practices like Sharia courts these ignorant and repressed people will demand and now do as they like knowing the liberal types will back down in to a hole or simply agree with them.

My mother in law looks at these people with disgust and who can blame her..

The real point here is that these more radical types keep adding new things the y think fine to practice in our countries, we look upon them, comment and they carry on only adding more and more diverse actions and backward doings while again we watch, comment but do nothing, it has to stop and start banning these things, never mind their bloody minded intolerance, show them its our culture or find somewhere else. No one is trying to remove their own culture based on peace, I'd never do that to my mother in law but all these backward nasty traits MUST be banned, I for one like my mother in law and my wife find the Niqab truly offensive, not only is it worn by the radicals and lets not let them have a uniform to flaunt but regardless if these women saying they want to wear it that means nothing if the man demands it, then she MUST wear it and please don't believe that nonsense about its 'part of the religion', that is utter tosh, the Quran does NOT demand that hideous garment, it simply requests a woman protect her modesty which was agreed about not showing hair or womanly curves, sadly the MEN adjusted the rules because they are classed as weak and women basically as would be whores.

Seriously, we allow this garbage on our streets and say nothing, look where that has got us, my Mother in law who is from British Guyana originally and a Muslim who came here in the 50's looks at the streets around here and says "this is not the Britain I came to, its like a country over there" and she IS right.

Our culture is being taken away with PC idiots and offensive Muslim Men trashing our country...Those from pretty almost all white area's need not reply, you have done enough damage by supporting the Radicals (make sure you look at the word RADICAL), when a Muslim woman looks at this, here country as a fully British person and says its gone to the crapper in support of Radical Islam and its practices then I trust her word way above any PC liberal who shouts RACIST at the drop of a hat.

Just wait to see what the Radcals have planned for you lot....

a reply to: trollz

While I think this particular action is a little extreme and no doubt a result of of misinterpretation of the religion (which Wahabisim is the extreme side of it) I think you're being a little hypocritical here:

What exactly did people expect from a religion that treats women like sexual objects instead of people?

We in the west do some things far worse, we exploit our women and we do in such a way that our women do it to themselves believing that somehow they are being unique and sexy (more like degrading their self worth and exploiting themselves).

We have the cross over from pornography into movies and the arts, music, its all blurred. We claim to offer freedom to our women when in reality its a very male driven society where we exploit our women through advertising, music, movies and explicit material - its kind of hard to preach to the rest of the world that some cultures are backwards when we do far worse to ourselves.

When I was growing up women were far more modestly dressed compared to now however in this day and age we believe that the exploitation of women in the west is progressiveness!

These people don't just come flooding in, we in the west do a good job of messing up their countries legally and illegally and force these people to migrate and flee but equally our politicians have a lot to answer for as well.

I have seen some beautiful things in the Abrahamic religions and some awful things but that is down to human nature not because of some particular spiritual identity.

The world is full of enough hate that we shouldn't spread it even further like here on ATS.

Good day to you.

a reply to: old_god

I tend to think islam isnt really a abrahamic relgion. remember he exiled his son and his mother. Just because he was of his blood does not make it so in reality.

They are like jehovahs witnesses. gleaned alot of ideas but arent the same.

a reply to: old_god

Most women in the West who participate in the Arts media advertising etc have a CHOICE and the vast majority of Western men are sensible enough and have enough self-control to NOT immediately think these women are theirs to be raped
Few muslim women have such a choice

I have a question to those who support these policies of importing average third worlders(the cream of the crop is a different topic).

1. are you so deep into your belief that there is no way out gracefully? Do you not want to admit you are wrong?

2. Do you hate your own culture?

3. for the women, since in a man voting only society this would never happen.
Is it the novelty of other cultures? Rebellion against your culture which represents your boring working dad? Or is there some subconscious want of the barbarian man of the third world?

a reply to: Winstonian

Who knew???? It wasn't the harassment or rapes which have occurred that would cause such an uproar with Swedish authorities, not the no-go zones and oppression in general, walking on egg shells for fear of some "-ism" nor fear for it's own citizens safety, much less the immigrants.

Girls in the back and boys in the front on a bus would leave Swedish authorities fuming......
Yet another poke in Sweden's naïve eye on exactly how the Muslims operate.

a reply to: Butterfinger

Poe's Law babay! Mission accomplished lol.

originally posted by: mtnshredder
The irony is so thick.......The very same people that want to allow these people in to their country by the tens of thousands, are the very same people that are against everything they stand for. Scratches head???????

It's called Idiocracy 2017. Expect more of it in the near future.

Ephesians 5:22-24

Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.

1 Corinthians 11:5

And every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head - it is just as though her head were shaved.


1 Timothy 2:11-12

A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent.

Deuteronomy 20:13-15
Kill all the men and boys in the cities that God “delivers into your hands,” but keep the women for raping.


I'm stopping here because I don't want to waste more time pointing out that Christianity and Judaism is just as bad.

The only difference is "enlightened" christians and jews ignore parts of their "sacred" books.

a reply to: trollz

girls are forced to board their school bus through the back door, while boys use the front one

judaism also prescribes gender segregation.

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now what. are you saying jews should also stop gender segregation? or should only muslims do so?

Sura 2:223: Your women are your fields, so go into your fields whichever way you like

According to Islam, women exist for men to pleasure themselves with.

Sura 4:34: Men are in charge of women... But those [wives] from whom you fear arrogance - [first] advise them; [then if they persist], forsake them in bed; and [finally], strike them.

A woman stands up to you? It's ok, just hit her until she submits to your male authority.

the first passage is stating the obvious that no normal hetero male would deny
the second passage simply says that the husband has the right to put an arrogant wife in their place.

also, you are misinterpreting the verses while distorting meaning and context.

a reply to: firefromabove

I take issue with your assertion that all men agree with the first quote.
It reads like permission to rape. I most certainly do not agree with it on any level. So you are speaking only for yourself there.


as for the second? Why the hell shouldn't my wife be arrogant? Got me, aint she?

a reply to: SprocketUK

The first verse refer to wives. It's not permission to rape.

Islam prescribes the death penalty for rapists. FYI.

originally posted by: firefromabove
a reply to: SprocketUK

The first verse refer to wives. It's not permission to rape.

Islam prescribes the death penalty for rapists. FYI.

So what? Having sex with someone whenever and however you want, with no regard to their wishes is pretty much the definition of rape, whether that person is lucky enough to be married to you or not. Isn't it?

As for the death penalty, from what I've seen its more likely to be applied to the victim than the rspist.

a reply to: SprocketUK

Having sex with someone whenever and however you want, with no regard to their wishes is pretty much the definition of rape,

I'll repeat,
that verse refers to sex with wives. Not "sex with someone whenever and however you want".