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Good bye, England, as you slip under the waves of Islam

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posted on Apr, 5 2017 @ 02:34 AM
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a reply to: Bluesma

tl:dr - you're scared




posted on Apr, 5 2017 @ 02:44 AM
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a reply to: 3danimator2014

Jeez fella, why be so harsh on Bluesma? She's a decent human being expressing an experience. She's not a rabid hater of Muslims. She's writing about perception and human experience.


Look at ATS? Must be several dozen members who regularly make posts about 'waves of Muslims' conquering the 'free world.' For a while, you could barely read a thread without someone mimicking and repeating 'young men with beards' like it equates to Jihadis. Sharia this and mosques that. Packs of roaming rapists coming for our white women. 'No good immigrant.' Tipping points and doom.

It's all about perception.

Some members have terrified themselves by spending so long on anti-Muslim blogs. Others want to stir up discord and hatred without any accountability whatsoever. Perceptions, yeah?

A different group altogether have experiences like Bluesma and have a cognitive dissonance. They aren't bigots and find that life experience contradicts how they prefer to see life. Dismissing the perceptions and experiences of these regular folk has been half the problem lately.

I'm reminded of a lad who joined the Blackburn EDL. He'd been beaten 2-3 times by young Asian lads in his area. How could I convince him to steer clear of EDL when his own perceptions taught him to be fearful?



posted on Apr, 5 2017 @ 03:02 AM
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a reply to: Kandinsky


joined the Blackburn EDL.


oh dear - to find a more ergregious nest of inbred , lobotomised cockwombles than the " blackburn EDL " one would have to make the epic treck to the uncivilized wastelands of darwen
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posted on Apr, 5 2017 @ 03:13 AM
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a reply to: ignorant_ape

Lol.


I'm in Blackburn most weeks and see all sorts of sights.

Not sure if the EDL is still a 'thing.' Not heard of them in ages. Not since their leader imploded.



posted on Apr, 5 2017 @ 03:49 AM
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originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: uncommitted




I'm not a Muslim, but I know far right crap when I see it


Apparently not.

Because Islam is far right. That has never came out of the dark ages like Christianity did with the reformation era.


Some states are very far right in their interpretation of Islam, of that there's no doubt. Some individuals comply with those extremists views, also true. But that does not mean every Moslem is far right, to assume so would be as naive as saying every Christian is of a peaceful nature.



posted on Apr, 5 2017 @ 03:51 AM
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a reply to: FuggleHop

So you are a bot. I didn't use the word bought, and your spell checker isn't intelligent enough to know the difference between infused and confused. Strange, I thought these auto response bots were more intelligent than that these days.



posted on Apr, 5 2017 @ 04:56 AM
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a reply to: Bluesma

I had a similar experience. I was at a very English café in a very English market in very English town, eating my very English breakfast when I felt very uncomfortable. I looked up to see an all female family group of muslims walking by and one, a child no more than about 12yrs was looking at me in disgust. Without taking my eyes off her, I popped the mouthful of sausage and bacon in my mouth. She lowered her eyes.

What galls me is how if I were in an Islamic country where the local customs and values would preclude me eating pork, I would respect that and refrain (albeit whilst moaning and griping about murdering bacon sarnies). It was clear this child was not being raised to respect the customs etc of the country she was in. She was clearly not being raised in tolerance and acceptance of diversity, she was not being raised to integrate. She appeared to be being raised to loathe the people of the host nation.

Perhaps those people casting their disapproving eyes at your attire, (the girl, maybe the whole family, I did not notice) at me eating my breakfast, believe their disapproval will change us, cause us to abandon our traditions, our values. Perhaps they think we should all be more like them.



posted on Apr, 5 2017 @ 05:40 AM
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a reply to: teapot

And yet was the child reacting to a look in your eye, a physical characteristic or what you were eating? It's hard to say. You could have been projecting your own notions onto the blank canvas of a fleeting moment and the face of passing child.

You've certainly extemporised much from the moment.

In my own experiences, I find there are different types of Muslims in the same way we have different groups of English people. In Bury, Burnley and Blackburn, there are large groups of young Muslims who are part of the criminal underclass. They sell drugs, get into gang fights and generate a lot of vehicle crimes. There's an older generation who wheel and deal without much of the violence. These aren't committed Muslims and plenty of them eat the bacon butties when they're out and about.

There's also a conservative population who run family businesses. They have conservative families who take the school, college and employment route. They go back generations and are good people.

I agree with you on the values of tolerance. People should acclimatise to wherever they live. Compromise!!



posted on Apr, 5 2017 @ 06:05 AM
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originally posted by: 3danimator2014


I'm sorry. I missed where they were forcing you to adapt to their practices. Can you tell me what I missed?



Sure..... NOWHERE did I claim anyone was "forced" to adapt to their practices.
You did not "miss" it, it wasn't there.
You simply tried to apply an interpretation that was false, so came up empty.




So...you had one supermarket trip where you felt uncomfortable and that's enough proof for you?


Proof that people can easily be impacted and influenced by trends in the majority around them?
Yes.
Though there is enough known facts about human behavior already to confirm that. I was just surprised to experience that effect directly when I didn't expect it.





I have an idea... Take a walk dressed like you were then in an extreme right wing Jewish neighborhood. Hope you like being spat on...


Yes, I suspect that would make uncomfortable as well, and confirm my suspicion that humans tend to feel drawn to respecting the rules and practices of the majority around them (peer pressure).
Do you think the Jewish religion is the one that is going to rise and take the place of Christianity instead of Islam?
If so, why? I am interested in your view.




Should we hate all Jews for the actions if those disgusting men?


WHAT? Have you confused me with someone else? That has nothing to do with MY post.

I have not encouraged or supported hate of any kind, towards anyone.
I have long expressed that I think the rise of Islam is a natural and (in my mind) unavoidable event, and I think the history of mankind shall continue - just as it did when Christianity struck out to take the world with swords and blood.
I feel slightly detached from it.
I was simply surprised to find myself (who usually feels no strong opinion either way) actually experiencing the draw to convert in response to group disapproval. It was thought provoking. I shared that.

Seriously? It seems you did not read my post at all and perhaps this was meant as a response to someone else?
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posted on Apr, 5 2017 @ 06:37 AM
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a reply to: EvanB

civilised the world under a jack boot and a butchers apron
because those bloody savages dont know any better right !


as to the OP

I dont see this problem in Glasgow where I live in the southside its very multicultural and there are plenty mosques but no sharia law areas in Scotland

well at least none that I have heard of
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I think like all religion in the UK it will dwindle out , like catholicism and christianity numbers will fall !

I am not opposed to people coming here or bringing their religion I am opposed when they start implementing their own laws!

Now if this is true and sharia law areas exist in the UK then how have they come to exist , who is making legal exceptions for them and why?
as they do not follow the law of the land so how can they be legal ?

anyone have any decent links to why this is happening.

religion has some plus points but the biggest thing that indicates to me religions are wrong is by how they treat their women !
and as far as I am aware they dont treat women that well so they can do one!

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posted on Apr, 5 2017 @ 06:50 AM
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a reply to: sapien82

the problem in the UK is that wingnuts keep screaming " sharia law // courts is here " but what is actually here =

sharia arbitration

the funny thing is that judaic arbitration has been going on for decades - and no one loses there crap over it

" judge rinder " is not a real court - and i hope no one thinks it is its an arbirtation " service " just like the alledged " sharia courts "

PS - for ferriners " judge rinder " = a gay bloke pretending to be judge judy



posted on Apr, 5 2017 @ 07:06 AM
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originally posted by: Cancerwarrior
a reply to: Krazysh0t




Propaganda isn't coincidence. It's deliberate and planned out


The overwhelmingly vast majority of terror attacks are committed by Muslims. That is a fact, not propaganda.


That really depends on the region of the world you are in. In the Middle East that is true, but here in the West most terror attacks are done by home grown terrorists or political terrorists. What you just said was straight up propaganda.
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posted on Apr, 5 2017 @ 07:17 AM
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Aye mate I've heard people slang that around in England , sharia law areas where police will not enter etc!

but i've never heard it brought up in any discussion in parliament , surely if its such a huge legal concern of the public then why hasnt it been discussed in parliament.

Of course i'll stand corrected if anyone can post links etc

I know there are no places in Glasgow where you cant go because of sharia law , they simply dont exist, even in Shawlands 5 minute walk from my house where that guy claimed to be a prophet got stabbed to death by a wahabi extremist
thats not sharia controlled and that was a prophet blasphemer killing.

So where are these no go areas in England , and why are the police not doing their job there ?
where is the evidence that the UK police force has turned a blind eye to "no go" areas.


I think the UK has built the judicial system for long enough they wont allow sharia to exist in the UK in legal terms because its not as concrete as our legal system , "those savages wouldnt bloody know a law if it slapped them in the face with a citation" is what id imagine a barrister to say

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posted on Apr, 5 2017 @ 07:19 AM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

Switched round, someone in the ME could confidently state the vast majority of attacks are by Americans.

Wouldn't mean dick in the scheme of things when we know most Americans have zero to do with drone strikes or several decades of military actions. Moreover, they weren't asked and most never gave their support either.



posted on Apr, 5 2017 @ 07:20 AM
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a reply to: Kandinsky

agreed most terror attacks are carried out by white males
but under the guise of military of the west

thats real terror , when a country throws its full military might at you , but instead of terror its called shock and awe!



posted on Apr, 5 2017 @ 07:24 AM
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originally posted by: Kandinsky
a reply to: Krazysh0t

Switched round, someone in the ME could confidently state the vast majority of attacks are by Americans.

That's a good point actually.
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posted on Apr, 5 2017 @ 09:18 AM
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originally posted by: Kandinsky
a reply to: teapot


You've certainly extemporised much from the moment.


Basic non verbal communication, unmistakeable.


The human face is extremely expressive, able to express countless emotions without saying a word. And unlike some forms of nonverbal communication, facial expressions are universal. The facial expressions for happiness, sadness, anger, surprise, fear, and disgust are the same across cultures. www.helpguide.org...


Disgust at other people's eating habits/choices is pretty universal, natural and we all do it. We all know when someone is showing disgust at our eating. If the family were not all hijab dressed, I may have ascribed the girl's disgust to something other than the pork but I took in all the visual clues, went with my instinctive response and on balance, remain true to that.



I agree with you on the values of tolerance. People should acclimatise to wherever they live. Compromise!!


Silly and immature not to (acclimatise).



posted on Apr, 5 2017 @ 09:18 AM
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originally posted by: DeathSlayer


This thread was not designed to pick on Muslims but to show Christians in England that their houses of worship are shutting down and being bought by another religion.


Thats because Christianity is dying out in England. They are putting their churches on sale.


C'mon Sharia law courts are already all over England and the government ignores them or approves them....


So what? England also approves of Halakhic courts. Are you saying Jews can have their religious courts, but Muslims can't?



posted on Apr, 5 2017 @ 10:39 AM
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a reply to: 3danimator2014

I can only echo those comments, very well put and much needed on threads like these.



posted on Apr, 5 2017 @ 11:21 AM
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