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OBAMA Admin Committed Felonies by SPYING and UNMASKING TRUMPs Team For POLITICAL Purposes.

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posted on Apr, 3 2017 @ 10:21 AM
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a reply to: paxnatus

He wasn't anybody to be having those talks. He was a nobody citizen. Discussing lifting sanctions that had just been installed by Obama.
BUSTED
They don't want his protected confession. They want to put him under oath and grill him.




posted on Apr, 3 2017 @ 10:27 AM
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originally posted by: carewemust
April 2, 2017

1) Surveillance targeting the Trump team during the Obama administration began months ago, even before the president had become the GOP nominee in July.



The CIA/NSA/FBI Anti-Espionage Unit are tasked with monitoring Russian Spies among other things...It's not illegal, it's there job.



2) The spying on the Trump team had nothing to do with the collection of foreign intelligence or an investigation into Russia election interference.



False and you have no evidence showing otherwise.


In the Meanwhile...the CIA, NSA, FBI and two GOP led investigations disagree with your claim.



7) House Intelligence Committee chairman Rep. Devin Nunes, R-Calif., has known about the unmasking since January.


That particular Trump Transition advisor will be lucky not to be charged with something. His credibility is spent.





11) Nunes got access to that system on March 21 with the help of two Trump administration officials.


Nunes got caught lying..He took "purported" evidence from the subject of an investigation and then didn't tell anyone where he got it until he got busted by reporters...After the show of running (BACK) to the WH to "share" it with them.




Russians planting "fake news" to influence our election, is NOTHING compared to the felony crimes committed by the Obama Administration.



Monitoring Russian spies is what the US government does. If that overlapped with Trump Officials...then THAT is not the FBI/CIA/NSA's problem...that is Trump's problem...

Good luck with that...


edit on 3-4-2017 by Indigo5 because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 3 2017 @ 12:21 PM
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originally posted by: Flatfish

originally posted by: allsee4eye
If Obama is off the hook, then liberals cannot complain if Trump uses the IC to gather intel on political opponent in the 2020 election with the pretext of spying on possible communications with foreign agents.


It's a little more complicated than that.

It's already been affirmed by Comey and others within the IC that no single individual, including the POTUS, has the authority to order surveillance on any individual American citizen.

Furthermore, somewhere between 11 & 16 intelligence officials have stated that their respective agencies have determined, (with high confidence) that Russia did in fact hack into the political campaigns computers and attempt to influence our election.

Comey also stated and confirmed that there is indeed, an ongoing FBI investigation into whether or not the Trump campaign may have colluded with the Russians in that effort. This statement infers that there is at least some evidence of collusion that warrants an investigation.

Now I would just imagine that the IC regularly surveils the foreign governments and diplomats of our advisories and they would be in dereliction of duty if they failed to do so in this case once the hacking had been detected.

So, are you saying that no surveillance should be done the next time our IC detects political campaign interference by a foreign nation during the middle of a presidential election?

Are you saying we should do nothing just because we're in the middle of an election?

Or, should we just go ahead and allow foreign countries to run there own candidates in our elections?

There's a huge difference between Watergate and what happened here. In the Watergate scenario, Nixon was basically the equivalent of the Russians today.

It's pretty clear that the Russians were screwing with our election, we detected it and when the proper surveillance procedures were employed by the IC, we incidentally caught numerous Trump campaign officials conferring with the Russians. Go figure!

The really sad part is, Trump probably could order IC surveillance of his political opponents during the middle of a campaign and not lose a single vote among his supporters.

How pathetic is that?


However , it was incidental collection of private citizens during a FISA surveillance and Obama changed the rules in 2011 so that he could unmask names and use it for political purposes. It is wrong to do this. Sorry your totalitarian spy get no pass.
edit on 3-4-2017 by ThirdEyeofHorus because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 3 2017 @ 12:23 PM
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a reply to: Indigo5

Chairman Nunes says that the material which shocked him, was not related to the USA spying on Russia. The USA was deliberately spying on U.S. Citizen Donald J. Trump. That is illegal and that is a Felony.

Un-masking the names of Trump family and campaign people, and releasing those names the the News Media, count for 2 more felonies.

Hell is almost at hand for Obama administration personnel. i hope they're enjoying the sweet taste of freedom while they can.



posted on Apr, 3 2017 @ 12:40 PM
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originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: Indigo5

Chairman Nunes says...


After the past week it is impossible to take any sentence that begins that way credibly.

Nunes has publicly been caught in multiple half-truths at best and outright lies at worst.

He has been forced to apologize to his own Committee and has publicly walked back many of his statements.

He single handedly destroyed the objectivity of Congress's legitimacy to run an investigation.

Several members of his own GOP conference consider him an embarrassment and have publicly stated he should step down.



posted on Apr, 3 2017 @ 01:19 PM
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a reply to: Flatfish

It's already been affirmed by Comey and others within the IC that no single individual, including the POTUS, has the authority to order surveillance on any individual American citizen.

The lack of authority didn't stop scum like Obama from doing anything before. If Curious George told some lacky or fellow globalist to spy on a Trump, the legality would be irrelevant.

Furthermore, somewhere between 11 & 16 intelligence officials have stated that their respective agencies have determined, (with high confidence) that Russia did in fact hack into the political campaigns computers and attempt to influence our election.

Between 11 & 16? You can't be more accurate? Who are these officials? The Directors of each agency? The spokesmen? Why should we just trust them? Did the CIA, FBI and NSA employees take a vote to determine the amount of Russian skullduggery or investigative work? If the Russians wanted to influence the election you would think they would turn it in Hillary's favor considering she's already a Chinese, Saudis Arabian and Russian asset ...well you wouldn't think that, but an objective person would. If you think we should take these mystery men at their word, fine, but don't pretend it is evidence of what you are propagating. Julian Assange all but said Seth Rich was his source of the DNC hacking, you know the guy who as murdered after the leaks?

Comey also stated and confirmed that there is indeed, an ongoing FBI investigation into whether or not the Trump campaign may have colluded with the Russians in that effort. This statement infers that there is at least some evidence of collusion that warrants an investigation.

No, it doesn't infer that there is any evidence whatsoever because non leftest know this Russian nonsense is

1) A distraction from Hillery Clinton and COs involvement with Russia.
2) A attempt to undermine Trump.

It's pretty clear that the Russians were screwing with our election, we detected it and when the proper surveillance procedures were employed by the IC, we incidentally caught numerous Trump campaign officials conferring with the Russians. Go figure!

"We detected with proper surveillance procedures" yet the Russian agent BS didn't start until Trump won. GO figure!

The really sad part is, Trump probably could order IC surveillance of his political opponents during the middle of a campaign and not lose a single vote among his supporters. How pathetic is that?

About as pathetic as leftwing losers who still can't accept that Trump won because the people wound rather see him in office instead NWO corpse.



posted on Apr, 3 2017 @ 02:36 PM
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Just heard that susan rice is the unmasker. She will turn in others.



posted on Apr, 3 2017 @ 03:33 PM
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originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus

originally posted by: Flatfish

originally posted by: allsee4eye
If Obama is off the hook, then liberals cannot complain if Trump uses the IC to gather intel on political opponent in the 2020 election with the pretext of spying on possible communications with foreign agents.


It's a little more complicated than that.

It's already been affirmed by Comey and others within the IC that no single individual, including the POTUS, has the authority to order surveillance on any individual American citizen.

Furthermore, somewhere between 11 & 16 intelligence officials have stated that their respective agencies have determined, (with high confidence) that Russia did in fact hack into the political campaigns computers and attempt to influence our election.

Comey also stated and confirmed that there is indeed, an ongoing FBI investigation into whether or not the Trump campaign may have colluded with the Russians in that effort. This statement infers that there is at least some evidence of collusion that warrants an investigation.

Now I would just imagine that the IC regularly surveils the foreign governments and diplomats of our advisories and they would be in dereliction of duty if they failed to do so in this case once the hacking had been detected.

So, are you saying that no surveillance should be done the next time our IC detects political campaign interference by a foreign nation during the middle of a presidential election?

Are you saying we should do nothing just because we're in the middle of an election?

Or, should we just go ahead and allow foreign countries to run there own candidates in our elections?

There's a huge difference between Watergate and what happened here. In the Watergate scenario, Nixon was basically the equivalent of the Russians today.

It's pretty clear that the Russians were screwing with our election, we detected it and when the proper surveillance procedures were employed by the IC, we incidentally caught numerous Trump campaign officials conferring with the Russians. Go figure!

The really sad part is, Trump probably could order IC surveillance of his political opponents during the middle of a campaign and not lose a single vote among his supporters.

How pathetic is that?


However , it was incidental collection of private citizens during a FISA surveillance and Obama changed the rules in 2011 so that he could unmask names and use it for political purposes. It is wrong to do this. Sorry your totalitarian spy get no pass.


And where did you get your info regarding this 2011 rule change and subsequent unmasking? WND??

Comey testified under oath that there are only 20 people, (including himself) all with the DOJ who have the authority to order an unmasking of names in a surveillance report and last I checked, the position of POTUS didn't fall under the umbrella of the DOJ.

And.......even if Obama did have the authority to unmask, he wouldn't be allowed to do so for political purposes.

According to Comey's testimony, there has to be a damn good reason to request an unmasking of names in a surveillance report.

Personally, I think your just making sh#t up.



posted on Apr, 3 2017 @ 03:49 PM
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a reply to: Meimou

Actually, Comey stated during his testimony that the surveillance began as early as June or July of 2016.

That's what led one of the committee members to ask why they weren't informed of this ongoing surveillance at one of their quarterly briefings and Comey replied that the information had been deemed too sensitive to release at the time.

Remember that? Or did you not watch his testimony?

For all I know, they overheard the Russian ambassador talking to Putin and explaining that Flynn had guaranteed him that Trump would ease up on the Ukraine issue if they helped him win the election.

If so, would that be collusion?

Point is, I don't know what they heard and neither do you, but once Adam Schiff said that what he saw goes beyond circumstantial, I tend to lean towards "they heard something juicy."



posted on Apr, 3 2017 @ 04:04 PM
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originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: Flatfish

Obama Administration Releases Long Awaited New E.O. 12333 Rules on Sharing of Raw Signals Intelligence Information Within IC





According to your source link....."but puts into place procedures that allow the NSA to share certain raw unminimized signals intelligence information with other intelligence community elements..."

The EO was to enable intelligence sharing within the IC community, not for the purpose of awarding the POTUS unfettered access to raw intelligence.

When did the POTUS become an element of the intelligence community?

Where does it say that the POTUS is given the authority to unmask raw intelligence or share unmasked intelligence with anyone not cleared to see it?



posted on Apr, 3 2017 @ 04:24 PM
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a reply to: BuzzyWigs

I already have. In order to not be a drain on the economy, you have to provide something of value, government jobs provide lots of waste and little of value.

Removing that burden from the tax payers restores capital that leads to investment and the production of useful items, providing things of greater value using efficient methods. Public resources are never efficient, especially when you get into a mindset of never ending resources which is where we are going with a never ending debt ceiling.

To increase prosperity, the first step is to curb government to within its means. So start with a balanced budget and go from there. I promise you, the smaller the government, the more prosperous the economy.

Jaden



posted on Apr, 3 2017 @ 04:34 PM
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originally posted by: carewemust
Just heard that susan rice is the unmasker. She will turn in others.


Is there a thread on this?

News reports rolling in that The White House through
proper channels have discovered Susan Rice is indeed
on record requesting raw intelligence reports.



posted on Apr, 3 2017 @ 04:51 PM
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a reply to: Sillyolme

To say that General Flynn was a "nobody citizen" tells me, you have no idea what you are talking about!!

I know some people who fought under his Command and the man has a stellar reputation!! He is Brilliant, and of high moral character...but that's beside the point...Here is his record ...then tell me he was a nobody citizen...


Lieutenant General Michael T. Flynn, USA graduated from the University of Rhode Island in 1981 and was commissioned a second lieutenant in Military Intelligence.

His first assignment was as a paratrooper of the 82nd Airborne Division at Fort Bragg, North Carolina.

Since then, he has served in a variety of command and staff positions to include, Commander, 313th Military Intelligence Battalion and G2,82nd Airborne Division; G2, 18th Airborne Corps, CJ2, CJTF-180 Operation Enduring Freedom

(OEF) in Afghanistan;

Commander, 111th Military Intelligence Brigade at the Army’s Intelligence Center at Fort Huachuca, Arizona;

Director of Intelligence, Joint Special Operations Command with duty in OEF and Operation Iraqi Freedom (OIF);

Director of Intelligence, United States Central Command with duty in OEF and OIF;

Director of Intelligence, the Joint Staff; Director of Intelligence,

International Security Assistance Force-Afghanistan and US Forces Afghanistan and Special Assistant to the Deputy Chief of Staff, G2.

He most recently served as the Assistant Director of National Intelligence for Partner Engagement before becoming the 18th Director of the Defense Intelligence Agency on 24 July 2012.

Lieutenant General Flynn’s other assignments include multiple tours at Fort Bragg, North Carolina, where he deployed with the 82nd Airborne Division as a platoon leader for Operation URGENT FURY in Grenada, and as Chief of Joint War Plans for JTF-180 UPHOLD DEMOCRACY in Haiti.

He also served with the 25th Infantry Division at Schofield Barracks, Hawaii, and as the Senior Observer/Controller for Intelligence at the Joint Readiness Training Center at Fort Polk, Louisiana.

Lieutenant General Flynn holds an undergraduate degree in Management Science from the University of Rhode Island and holds three graduate degrees:

a Master of Business Administration in Telecommunications from Golden Gate University, San Francisco;

a Master of Military Arts and Sciences from Fort Leavenworth, Kansas;

Master of National Security and Strategic Studies from the United States Naval War College.

He also holds an Honorary Doctorate of Laws from The Institute of World Politics, Washington, D.C.

Lieutenant General Flynn is a graduate of the Army’s Intelligence Officer Basic, Advanced, and Electronic Warfare Courses;

the Combined Armed Services Staff Course;

the United States Army Command and General Staff College and School of Advanced Military Studies; and the United States Naval War College.

His awards include the Defense Superior Service Medal (with 3 Oak Leaf Clusters),

Legion of Merit (with Oak Leaf Cluster),

Bronze Star Medal (with 3 Oak Leaf Clusters),

Meritorious Service Medal (with Silver Oak Leaf Cluster),

Joint Service Commendation Medal,

Army Commendation Medal (with 4 Oak Leaf Clusters),

the NATO Service Medal, and several service and campaign ribbons.

Lieutenant General Flynn also has earned the Ranger Tab and Master Parachutist Badge, and the Joint Staff Identification Badge.


Now based on his record, COMMON SENSE tells us that YES!! He has extremely classified information that he has been given through his career....and does he have relationships with other diplomats in probably most every country....YES!! I would think so....So it makes sense that what he is protecting by walking away is of great importance to our National Security on a global level....


Afer ALL the service this man has given to the UNITED STATES of AMERICA, congress and the Obama Administration. FBI,, James Comey, Lynch Obama, The Clinton's, should all be ashamed of themselves!!!! He deserves immunity if that is what
he asked for!! It is the LEAST the government could do for him!!!

He is NO IDIOT PEOPLE!!! he did not LEAK anything...He knows the rules and what is going on a hell of a lot better than the ASS HATS making all the accusations!! And when he was ILLEGALLY AND UNMASKED IT PROBABLY JEOPARDIZED YEARS OF COVERT OPERATIONS AND PUT OPERATORS AT GREAT RISK!!

I STAND BY THE NOTION THAT HE IS WILLING TO TAKE THE FALL TO PROTECT OUR COUNTRY, OUR TROOPS AND OUR CITIZENS!!! IT IS A FELONY TO UNMASK A PERSON WHO IS WORKING IN SUCH A CAPACITY!! I WANT TO SEE THE BASTARD WHO GAVE UP FLYNN, ROT IN HELL!!

So NO you are sadly mistaken if you think General Flynn is a 'NOBODY'!!!!!

PAX

LINK



posted on Apr, 3 2017 @ 04:51 PM
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a reply to: burntheships

Heard it on Fox News. It is also at foxnews.com. mobile phone I'm not capable of doing the copy-pasting crap.



posted on Apr, 3 2017 @ 04:59 PM
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a reply to: carewemust

Yes, Bloomberg is reporting that Ezra Cohen-Watnick,
National Security Council director learned Rice
made multiple requests about individuals connected
with Trump team.

Rand Paul is calling on Susan Rice to testify under oath.

This should be good....

More popcorn



posted on Apr, 3 2017 @ 04:59 PM
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originally posted by: Flatfish

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus

originally posted by: Flatfish

originally posted by: allsee4eye
If Obama is off the hook, then liberals cannot complain if Trump uses the IC to gather intel on political opponent in the 2020 election with the pretext of spying on possible communications with foreign agents.


It's a little more complicated than that.

It's already been affirmed by Comey and others within the IC that no single individual, including the POTUS, has the authority to order surveillance on any individual American citizen.

Furthermore, somewhere between 11 & 16 intelligence officials have stated that their respective agencies have determined, (with high confidence) that Russia did in fact hack into the political campaigns computers and attempt to influence our election.

Comey also stated and confirmed that there is indeed, an ongoing FBI investigation into whether or not the Trump campaign may have colluded with the Russians in that effort. This statement infers that there is at least some evidence of collusion that warrants an investigation.

Now I would just imagine that the IC regularly surveils the foreign governments and diplomats of our advisories and they would be in dereliction of duty if they failed to do so in this case once the hacking had been detected.

So, are you saying that no surveillance should be done the next time our IC detects political campaign interference by a foreign nation during the middle of a presidential election?

Are you saying we should do nothing just because we're in the middle of an election?

Or, should we just go ahead and allow foreign countries to run there own candidates in our elections?

There's a huge difference between Watergate and what happened here. In the Watergate scenario, Nixon was basically the equivalent of the Russians today.

It's pretty clear that the Russians were screwing with our election, we detected it and when the proper surveillance procedures were employed by the IC, we incidentally caught numerous Trump campaign officials conferring with the Russians. Go figure!

The really sad part is, Trump probably could order IC surveillance of his political opponents during the middle of a campaign and not lose a single vote among his supporters.

How pathetic is that?


However , it was incidental collection of private citizens during a FISA surveillance and Obama changed the rules in 2011 so that he could unmask names and use it for political purposes. It is wrong to do this. Sorry your totalitarian spy get no pass.


And where did you get your info regarding this 2011 rule change and subsequent unmasking? WND??

Comey testified under oath that there are only 20 people, (including himself) all with the DOJ who have the authority to order an unmasking of names in a surveillance report and last I checked, the position of POTUS didn't fall under the umbrella of the DOJ.

And.......even if Obama did have the authority to unmask, he wouldn't be allowed to do so for political purposes.

According to Comey's testimony, there has to be a damn good reason to request an unmasking of names in a surveillance report.

Personally, I think your just making sh#t up.
Llol it was an interview on the Sean Hannity Shiw and no I'm not making up anything . I'll find it tonight
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posted on Apr, 3 2017 @ 05:23 PM
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a reply to: paxnatus

U.S. Military personnel of high moral character don't sit in on intelligence briefings while working as an undeclared agent of a foreign nation.

That might be what you call "stellar," but I'd call that stupid and more than likely criminal.

And.....no one "deserves" immunity as a reward of merit or honorable service. Like Flynn himself said, "if you're asking for immunity, you're probably guilty of breaking the law."

Or does that statement only apply to non-Trump supporters?
edit on 3-4-2017 by Flatfish because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 3 2017 @ 05:41 PM
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originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus

originally posted by: Flatfish

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus

originally posted by: Flatfish

originally posted by: allsee4eye
If Obama is off the hook, then liberals cannot complain if Trump uses the IC to gather intel on political opponent in the 2020 election with the pretext of spying on possible communications with foreign agents.


It's a little more complicated than that.

It's already been affirmed by Comey and others within the IC that no single individual, including the POTUS, has the authority to order surveillance on any individual American citizen.

Furthermore, somewhere between 11 & 16 intelligence officials have stated that their respective agencies have determined, (with high confidence) that Russia did in fact hack into the political campaigns computers and attempt to influence our election.

Comey also stated and confirmed that there is indeed, an ongoing FBI investigation into whether or not the Trump campaign may have colluded with the Russians in that effort. This statement infers that there is at least some evidence of collusion that warrants an investigation.

Now I would just imagine that the IC regularly surveils the foreign governments and diplomats of our advisories and they would be in dereliction of duty if they failed to do so in this case once the hacking had been detected.

So, are you saying that no surveillance should be done the next time our IC detects political campaign interference by a foreign nation during the middle of a presidential election?

Are you saying we should do nothing just because we're in the middle of an election?

Or, should we just go ahead and allow foreign countries to run there own candidates in our elections?

There's a huge difference between Watergate and what happened here. In the Watergate scenario, Nixon was basically the equivalent of the Russians today.

It's pretty clear that the Russians were screwing with our election, we detected it and when the proper surveillance procedures were employed by the IC, we incidentally caught numerous Trump campaign officials conferring with the Russians. Go figure!

The really sad part is, Trump probably could order IC surveillance of his political opponents during the middle of a campaign and not lose a single vote among his supporters.

How pathetic is that?


However , it was incidental collection of private citizens during a FISA surveillance and Obama changed the rules in 2011 so that he could unmask names and use it for political purposes. It is wrong to do this. Sorry your totalitarian spy get no pass.


And where did you get your info regarding this 2011 rule change and subsequent unmasking? WND??

Comey testified under oath that there are only 20 people, (including himself) all with the DOJ who have the authority to order an unmasking of names in a surveillance report and last I checked, the position of POTUS didn't fall under the umbrella of the DOJ.

And.......even if Obama did have the authority to unmask, he wouldn't be allowed to do so for political purposes.

According to Comey's testimony, there has to be a damn good reason to request an unmasking of names in a surveillance report.

Personally, I think your just making sh#t up.
Llol it was an interview on the Sean Hannity Shiw and no I'm not making up anything . I'll find it tonight


All I can say is, you're putting way to much faith in Hannity and his guest.

Personally, I'd like to read the EO myself rather than to have Hannity attempt to explain it with his feeble little brain.

Especially, before I went around repeating it as fact.



posted on Apr, 3 2017 @ 05:55 PM
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a reply to: Gryphon66

Trump being surveilled for about a year makes him the best vetted presidential candidate in American history.



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