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OBAMA Admin Committed Felonies by SPYING and UNMASKING TRUMPs Team For POLITICAL Purposes.

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posted on Apr, 2 2017 @ 04:30 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: WeAreAWAKE

To be clear, you don't care, speaking for everyone on the right, that the Russians hacked into American computer systems and stole materials?



I certainly care.

However, a far better question would be how come the DNC has relied solely on private IT security contractors and has refused, so far, to turn over their server to the FBI ?




posted on Apr, 2 2017 @ 04:39 PM
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a reply to: M5xaz

the Same reason the Government has private medical care and NOT the ACA, it's "better". ( Better for whom is quite subjective, however )



posted on Apr, 2 2017 @ 05:54 PM
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America's greatest President is about to go on offense..GET READY TO RUMMMMMBLLLEE!

www.washingtonpost.com... .a8ad61b961aa



posted on Apr, 2 2017 @ 07:05 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66

tabloid. .


Tabloid.

You mean a news sources such as the National Enquirer.



posted on Apr, 2 2017 @ 07:33 PM
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cant believe the amount of shameful petty name calling so many people have taken to while going completely off topic. shoot the messenger and all. it will definetly be interesting to see where this all ends up. going by the past history of our govt though im not expecting much. id suggest reading some of sir john actons reasoning of how absolute power corrupts. its staggering the parallels u can draw with modern day politics.
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posted on Apr, 2 2017 @ 09:24 PM
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Funny how you can tell which threads are "carewemust"s just by the title.



posted on Apr, 3 2017 @ 07:50 AM
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originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: Wayfarer
a reply to: carewemust

You have done a remarkable job of shilling right wing propaganda. Unfortunately, the courts and anyone with a functioning brain doesn't agree with you. So continue wailing and gnashing your teeth. That's about all you can do.


Thank-you Wayfarer. Getting this kite up into the wind was the goal. That is now accomplished.


Just as I've always suspected.

It's fairly evident, based on the many crap threads you've started here on ATS, that your underlying and consistent goal has never been to "deny ignorance," but rather to propagate it and now you've stated as much with this pathetic post.

Deliberately propagating ignorance and falsehoods is the polar opposite of the stated mission of ATS which is to "Deny Ignorance."

If, (as you just stated in your post) your mission here is to continually fly or propagate your "kites" of lies and ignorance, you are nothing more than a troll who stirs sh#t just for the sake of doing so and IMO should be banned from ATS, along with the fake news sites you so love to mimic.



posted on Apr, 3 2017 @ 08:02 AM
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If Obama is off the hook, then liberals cannot complain if Trump uses the IC to gather intel on political opponent in the 2020 election with the pretext of spying on possible communications with foreign agents.



posted on Apr, 3 2017 @ 08:12 AM
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a reply to: M5xaz

Why is that a better question?

Do you conceive that for some reason they have to have the physical box to see the access to it over networks and the internet?

It's only "a better question" because the Democrats are not your team. The server is their property, American property, which was broken into and from which material was stolen by a foreign ENEMY of the United States.

The only way in which that's a bigger issue is pure partisanship.



posted on Apr, 3 2017 @ 08:13 AM
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originally posted by: allsee4eye
If Obama is off the hook, then liberals cannot complain if Trump uses the IC to gather intel on political opponent in the 2020 election with the pretext of spying on possible communications with foreign agents.


Trump in 2020 .... /snork.



posted on Apr, 3 2017 @ 08:30 AM
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this could be an interesting day, he is having fun on twitter again lol



twitter.com...



posted on Apr, 3 2017 @ 08:42 AM
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originally posted by: allsee4eye
If Obama is off the hook, then liberals cannot complain if Trump uses the IC to gather intel on political opponent in the 2020 election with the pretext of spying on possible communications with foreign agents.


Every Democrat that runs in the Primaries will be "on guard".




posted on Apr, 3 2017 @ 09:01 AM
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originally posted by: allsee4eye
If Obama is off the hook, then liberals cannot complain if Trump uses the IC to gather intel on political opponent in the 2020 election with the pretext of spying on possible communications with foreign agents.


It's a little more complicated than that.

It's already been affirmed by Comey and others within the IC that no single individual, including the POTUS, has the authority to order surveillance on any individual American citizen.

Furthermore, somewhere between 11 & 16 intelligence officials have stated that their respective agencies have determined, (with high confidence) that Russia did in fact hack into the political campaigns computers and attempt to influence our election.

Comey also stated and confirmed that there is indeed, an ongoing FBI investigation into whether or not the Trump campaign may have colluded with the Russians in that effort. This statement infers that there is at least some evidence of collusion that warrants an investigation.

Now I would just imagine that the IC regularly surveils the foreign governments and diplomats of our advisories and they would be in dereliction of duty if they failed to do so in this case once the hacking had been detected.

So, are you saying that no surveillance should be done the next time our IC detects political campaign interference by a foreign nation during the middle of a presidential election?

Are you saying we should do nothing just because we're in the middle of an election?

Or, should we just go ahead and allow foreign countries to run there own candidates in our elections?

There's a huge difference between Watergate and what happened here. In the Watergate scenario, Nixon was basically the equivalent of the Russians today.

It's pretty clear that the Russians were screwing with our election, we detected it and when the proper surveillance procedures were employed by the IC, we incidentally caught numerous Trump campaign officials conferring with the Russians. Go figure!

The really sad part is, Trump probably could order IC surveillance of his political opponents during the middle of a campaign and not lose a single vote among his supporters.

How pathetic is that?



posted on Apr, 3 2017 @ 09:02 AM
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originally posted by: carewemust
April 2, 2017

If only 1/2 of this is true, the legacy of former President Barack H. Obama is about to go down the tubes. Nixon will be seen as a Saint, by comparison.

Excerpted from: www.wnd.com...

1) Surveillance targeting the Trump team during the Obama administration began months ago, even before the president had become the GOP nominee in July.

2) The spying on the Trump team had nothing to do with the collection of foreign intelligence or an investigation into Russia election interference.

3) The spying was done purely “for political purposes” that “have nothing to do with national security and everything to do with hurting and embarrassing Trump and his team.”

4) The person who did the unmasking was someone “very well known, very high up, very senior in the intelligence world, and is not in the FBI.”

5) Congressional investigators know the name of at least one person who was unmasking names.

6) The initial surveillance on the Trump team led to “a number of names” being unmasked.

7) House Intelligence Committee chairman Rep. Devin Nunes, R-Calif., has known about the unmasking since January.

8) Two sources in the intelligence community told Nunes who did the unmasking and told him at least one of the names of someone in the Trump team who was unmasked. The sources also gave Nunes the serial numbers of the classified reports that documented the unmasking.

9) It took Nunes a number of weeks to figure out how to see those intelligence reports because the intelligence agencies were stonewalling him, and not allowing the chairman or other people to see them.

10) There were only two places Nunes could have seen the information: where the sources work, which would have blown their cover; and the Eisenhower Executive Office building on the White House grounds, which houses the National Security Council and has computers linked to the secure system containing the reports he sought.

11) Nunes got access to that system on March 21 with the help of two Trump administration officials.

From Intelligence Committee Chairman Nunes's recent statements, we're looking at just the tip of the iceberg! Russians planting "fake news" to influence our election, is NOTHING compared to the felony crimes committed by the Obama Administration.

MUCH MORE AT: www.wnd.com...

-CareWeMust



Wnd is not a credible source at all... Its a tabloid. I wish people would do some actual research in their sources before making themselves look like a fool.


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posted on Apr, 3 2017 @ 09:13 AM
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a reply to: carewemust

WND, the original source for fake news.



posted on Apr, 3 2017 @ 09:53 AM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: carewemust

First observation: World Net Daily, a known right-wing biased tabloid.

Second observation: sifting through the dreck, it seems that only one "highly placed official" is involved. So "if" the unmasking turns out to be unlawful and "if" that individual is not Obama ... why do you think the Obama legacy will be worse than Nixon's?

There are legitimate reasons to unmask participants, and the Russian investigation is not the only criminal investigation underway (in my opinion).

Perhaps it's better to wait and see before making pronouncements?

ETA: Schiff apparently saw the same documents. He stated clearly that there was nothing in them that merited not bringing them to the full committee.
They are not supposed to unmask American citizens in a FISA surveillance but Obama changed the rules so he could spy on people for political reasons and thats not ok and it's just as bad or worse than the patriot act, do you care... no apparently because you don't like Trump but what if Trumo did it to obama or Hillary you'd be screaming bloody murder and you know it.



posted on Apr, 3 2017 @ 10:09 AM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: carewemust

WND, the original source for fake news.
This is not fake news just because you hate wnd. This stuff is really happening whether you agree or not. People need to get a grip and see the truth. Your favorite totalitarian is spying on American citizens for political purposes.



posted on Apr, 3 2017 @ 10:11 AM
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a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

It's not fake news just because someone hates WND.

It's fake because it is.



posted on Apr, 3 2017 @ 10:13 AM
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a reply to: carewemust

I agree in the comparison to the WWE.
ALL FAKE.



posted on Apr, 3 2017 @ 10:15 AM
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originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: carewemust

WND, the original source for fake news.
This is not fake news just because you hate wnd. This stuff is really happening whether you agree or not. People need to get a grip and see the truth. Your favorite totalitarian is spying on American citizens for political purposes.

Sure sure. That's why all public investigations on this have soundly refuted this line of reasoning.




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