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Judge to Trump: No protection for speech inciting violence - Fox News Channel

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posted on Apr, 2 2017 @ 09:44 AM
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a reply to: Gryphon66


OK Fake NEWS LOL




posted on Apr, 2 2017 @ 09:45 AM
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originally posted by: Logarock
a reply to: Gryphon66


OK Fake NEWS LOL




Fox? LOL. Yeah, liberals did kind of start the whole "faux news" thing, didn't they?

In some cases I'd agree. This is pretty much straight up reporting. Need more sources?



posted on Apr, 2 2017 @ 09:54 AM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: yuppa

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: thesaneone

originally posted by: VengefulGhost
Doesnt matter which side theyre on . If their speach incites /causes violence throw their asses under the jail for the next 20 years .

Maybe then theyll learn theres civilised ways to do things without inciting / resorting to violence .



Sounds civilized.


Sounds civilized to stand up against violence used for political means?

I agree. Wherever and whenever it is found. Violence is not a political tool in our country.


You ever hear of plain clothes security? Ive worked as one before myself. this judge is overstepping his bounds to make apolitical point.

Also Trump didnt tell that man to smack the person being taken away.


It's not a political point to hold people accountable for assault.

Why yes, I have heard of plain clothes security. If you had read the Fox article, you'd know that doesn't apply in this case.


Yeah this time it is BECAUSE trump didnt assault the guy. HE had Security escort him out but soem dummy smacked him as they were doing so. Trump never said for anyone to hurt the man.



posted on Apr, 2 2017 @ 09:56 AM
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originally posted by: yuppa

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: yuppa

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: thesaneone

originally posted by: VengefulGhost
Doesnt matter which side theyre on . If their speach incites /causes violence throw their asses under the jail for the next 20 years .

Maybe then theyll learn theres civilised ways to do things without inciting / resorting to violence .



Sounds civilized.


Sounds civilized to stand up against violence used for political means?

I agree. Wherever and whenever it is found. Violence is not a political tool in our country.


You ever hear of plain clothes security? Ive worked as one before myself. this judge is overstepping his bounds to make apolitical point.

Also Trump didnt tell that man to smack the person being taken away.


It's not a political point to hold people accountable for assault.

Why yes, I have heard of plain clothes security. If you had read the Fox article, you'd know that doesn't apply in this case.


Yeah this time it is BECAUSE trump didnt assault the guy. HE had Security escort him out but soem dummy smacked him as they were doing so. Trump never said for anyone to hurt the man.


Still haven't read it, have you?

Perhaps we'll see what happens in court.



posted on Apr, 2 2017 @ 09:57 AM
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originally posted by: alphabetaone

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Gryphon66

A dangerous precedent.

It's an attack on free speech.


You're delusional if you believe holding someone accountable for inciting violence is tantamount to an attack on free speech. What about the protesters he had removed? Where is your concern for their freedom of speech? Were they being violent?


I defend it the same as I defend BLM.



posted on Apr, 2 2017 @ 10:05 AM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: yuppa

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: yuppa

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: thesaneone

originally posted by: VengefulGhost
Doesnt matter which side theyre on . If their speach incites /causes violence throw their asses under the jail for the next 20 years .

Maybe then theyll learn theres civilised ways to do things without inciting / resorting to violence .



Sounds civilized.


Sounds civilized to stand up against violence used for political means?

I agree. Wherever and whenever it is found. Violence is not a political tool in our country.


You ever hear of plain clothes security? Ive worked as one before myself. this judge is overstepping his bounds to make apolitical point.

Also Trump didnt tell that man to smack the person being taken away.


It's not a political point to hold people accountable for assault.

Why yes, I have heard of plain clothes security. If you had read the Fox article, you'd know that doesn't apply in this case.


Yeah this time it is BECAUSE trump didnt assault the guy. HE had Security escort him out but soem dummy smacked him as they were doing so. Trump never said for anyone to hurt the man.


Still haven't read it, have you?

Perhaps we'll see what happens in court.


No. but is this what you mean here?

Gespass said Trump could be implicated in conspiracy to the alleged hate crime, too.
As Southall was being attacked, Trump told the crowd: “Get him the hell out of here, will you please?”
As he is hauled away by security, a chant begins: “All lives matter, all lives matter, all lives matter!”
“It would seem to me, and this is, again, something that must be thought through more carefully, that aiding and abetting a crime makes you a participant,” Gespass told The Daily Beast. “And particularly given the history of incidents such as this at other places, I would say that Trump has a moral and very possibly a legal responsibility to do what he can to ensure people’s safety.”

Seems to me Going by trumps words he Didnt say anything that could be considered Inciting them to beat him up. In short the judge is a moronic azzshat.



posted on Apr, 2 2017 @ 10:07 AM
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originally posted by: yuppa

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: yuppa

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: yuppa

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: thesaneone

originally posted by: VengefulGhost
Doesnt matter which side theyre on . If their speach incites /causes violence throw their asses under the jail for the next 20 years .

Maybe then theyll learn theres civilised ways to do things without inciting / resorting to violence .



Sounds civilized.


Sounds civilized to stand up against violence used for political means?

I agree. Wherever and whenever it is found. Violence is not a political tool in our country.


You ever hear of plain clothes security? Ive worked as one before myself. this judge is overstepping his bounds to make apolitical point.

Also Trump didnt tell that man to smack the person being taken away.


It's not a political point to hold people accountable for assault.

Why yes, I have heard of plain clothes security. If you had read the Fox article, you'd know that doesn't apply in this case.


Yeah this time it is BECAUSE trump didnt assault the guy. HE had Security escort him out but soem dummy smacked him as they were doing so. Trump never said for anyone to hurt the man.


Still haven't read it, have you?

Perhaps we'll see what happens in court.


No. but is this what you mean here?

Gespass said Trump could be implicated in conspiracy to the alleged hate crime, too.
As Southall was being attacked, Trump told the crowd: “Get him the hell out of here, will you please?”
As he is hauled away by security, a chant begins: “All lives matter, all lives matter, all lives matter!”
“It would seem to me, and this is, again, something that must be thought through more carefully, that aiding and abetting a crime makes you a participant,” Gespass told The Daily Beast. “And particularly given the history of incidents such as this at other places, I would say that Trump has a moral and very possibly a legal responsibility to do what he can to ensure people’s safety.”

Seems to me Going by trumps words he Didnt say anything that could be considered Inciting them to beat him up. In short the judge is a moronic azzshat.


1. What's your source? The Daily Beast?

2. I think your opinion of Judge Hale may be influenced by your political beliefs.

3. Thankfully, you realized that the ones committing assault were audience members not security.



posted on Apr, 2 2017 @ 10:13 AM
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a reply to: Gryphon66

Your definition of assault is awfully strict. Assault can be claimed from just touching someone. As a Security guard i was hit with that claim alot.

Yeah I got that from the daily beast. it was the first result on my Googlesearch.

And I never said security hit the man. I said soem dummies in the crowd did as security was escorting him out.

Still point is GOing by trumps own words that was not inciting people to hurt the man being escorted out.



posted on Apr, 2 2017 @ 10:25 AM
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originally posted by: yuppa
a reply to: Gryphon66

Your definition of assault is awfully strict. Assault can be claimed from just touching someone. As a Security guard i was hit with that claim alot.

Yeah I got that from the daily beast. it was the first result on my Googlesearch.

And I never said security hit the man. I said soem dummies in the crowd did as security was escorting him out.

Still point is GOing by trumps own words that was not inciting people to hurt the man being escorted out.


I haven't defined assault.

May I say I'm not surprised?

Thanks, usually good to cite what we copy-and-paste.

No, that's not what you said, but good enough. The case is against those who assaulted the protesters.

As I said, we'll see what the court finds.



posted on Apr, 2 2017 @ 10:30 AM
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No worries folks, President Trump will not pay a dime, He'll just sue Madonna for the cost, considering last week some woman claimed to have a bomb in her car near the Whitehouse, cause she CLEARLY said she wanted to Bomb it. and It will be Justice.

Every time the left attacks President Trump it seems that the left is as guilty if not more so it's OK. projection is a terrible thing, but this will not cost President Trump a red cent, it may cost him a bit of time, and that is all.


I recall that when Trump was saying "get them out of here" he had his head turned from the mic, yes it picked it up but he was not "speaking into the microphone". Or maybe it was one of the many, many other times.
All the defense has to do is tie these folks to the Democratic party then submit the wikileaks emails.

(then after the proceedings have concluded, sue them for fraud and libel, he is known for doing such......



posted on Apr, 2 2017 @ 10:39 AM
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originally posted by: thedigirati
No worries folks, President Trump will not pay a dime, He'll just sue Madonna for the cost, considering last week some woman claimed to have a bomb in her car near the Whitehouse, cause she CLEARLY said she wanted to Bomb it. and It will be Justice.

Every time the left attacks President Trump it seems that the left is as guilty if not more so it's OK. projection is a terrible thing, but this will not cost President Trump a red cent, it may cost him a bit of time, and that is all.


I recall that when Trump was saying "get them out of here" he had his head turned from the mic, yes it picked it up but he was not "speaking into the microphone". Or maybe it was one of the many, many other times.
All the defense has to do is tie these folks to the Democratic party then submit the wikileaks emails.

(then after the proceedings have concluded, sue them for fraud and libel, he is known for doing such......


I know it's convenient rhetorical shorthand to write everything you don't like off to "the left" but that really doesn't make much since here.

Trump established a pattern of behavior in many of his summer rallies of inciting violence. I guess you've forgotten the comments about stretchers and his desire to kick protesters?



posted on Apr, 2 2017 @ 10:45 AM
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Are you forgetting Madonna said she wanted to "bomb the Whitehouse"? are you forgetting the gentleman that was pulled from his car that was wearing a MAGA t-shirt and beaten in the street? are you forgetting the Emails that were leaked showing the Democrats paid people to "agitate" at President Trumps rallies?

(everything you are asking anyone else can ask as well, see how that works?)



posted on Apr, 2 2017 @ 10:50 AM
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originally posted by: thedigirati
Are you forgetting Madonna said she wanted to "bomb the Whitehouse"? are you forgetting the gentleman that was pulled from his car that was wearing a MAGA t-shirt and beaten in the street? are you forgetting the Emails that were leaked showing the Democrats paid people to "agitate" at President Trumps rallies?

(everything you are asking anyone else can ask as well, see how that works?)


Nope, not forgetting any of that. Madonna made a really stupid statement. She should desperately hope that no one tries to bomb the White House based on her comment, or she too would be liable for incitement.

I'm not forgetting any number of people on both sides who were victims of violence; neither am I forgetting who started the incitement to violence.

The emails you're referring to described a handful of professional protesters. Do you have any evidence that those people incited violence?



posted on Apr, 2 2017 @ 11:01 AM
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a reply to: Gryphon66

Are you saying no violence occurred against Trump supporters outside at his rallies? Do you wish me to link to the numerous Videos? They can and most likely will be used by the defense, as well as the WikiLeaks email. There are "glass houses" on both sides, it will be interesting to see the "preponderance of the evidence". ( This may be another can of worms that ends up in the accuser's lap)

I can confidently say that one of us will not be happy with the outcome.



posted on Apr, 2 2017 @ 11:07 AM
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originally posted by: thedigirati
a reply to: Gryphon66

Are you saying no violence occurred against Trump supporters outside at his rallies? Do you wish me to link to the numerous Videos? They can and most likely will be used by the defense, as well as the WikiLeaks email. There are "glass houses" on both sides, it will be interesting to see the "preponderance of the evidence". ( This may be another can of worms that ends up in the accuser's lap)

I can confidently say that one of us will not be happy with the outcome.


Perhaps English isn't your first language. Allow me to reiterate what I just said:



I'm not forgetting any number of people on both sides who were victims of violence; neither am I forgetting who started the incitement to violence.


Perhaps you're not familiar with court proceedings. Neither side gets to toss in "the kitchen sink" as we do so often here.

Only the evidence that is relevant to the case in question will be allowed.

I will be happy if justice is served and the possibility of future violence being instigated as recklessly as Trump did is diminished.



posted on Apr, 2 2017 @ 11:10 AM
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your slant in this thread is obvious, and it's apparent you do not care for Justice, just revenge!

I have not attacked you personally at all yet you did to me, therefore you already lost. (You proved my point about the left)



posted on Apr, 2 2017 @ 11:19 AM
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originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
This, my friend, is the very definition of ad hominim. Instead of discussing the judge, trump, his followers, or the victims, you question the integrity of the poster. As if that has anything at all to do with this story. As if Trump can stand up in court and say, "Yeah, well look at what Gryphon posted on ATS", and it will be a viable legal defense.

 


It'll be an interesting trial. It sounds like Trump may have some culpability here. You can't stand with a microphone on a stage and direct a mob to phyisically handle other people, and not think you are inciting that violence.


I have an uncontrollable urge to call out hypocrisy when I see it. It's like an addiction. No wonder I havent been able to quit ATS since I finally realized how far gone the left has become.

I wasn't at the event in question here. Was there no security? Was it a "riot" which was incited there?



posted on Apr, 2 2017 @ 11:21 AM
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a reply to: thedigirati

Right. Sooooo they might get Trump on this one incident.... and if so it'll open up SorosHillaryCo. to a RICO suit of organizing crime over state borders, across the USA.



posted on Apr, 2 2017 @ 11:23 AM
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a reply to: Gryphon66

Haha, Gryphon66 you're making all these fools like absolutely grade-school education silly! Keep it up!



posted on Apr, 2 2017 @ 11:28 AM
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a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

The odd part is political ideology is not protected at all, you can scream "beat the Democrats, Republicans, and Libertarians" all day long and you cannot be sued and put in jail for it. You can choose to not "serve" the socialist party. and not a thing can be done about it.
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