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originally posted by: Wookiep
My views, which were once independent, have shifted right without even changing one damn opinion.
originally posted by: D8Tee
when the Tea Party was seemingly hijacked.
originally posted by: TheScale
originally posted by: enlightenedservant
a reply to: projectvxn
Not true. There always have been and always will be anti-war pacifists on the Left wing. The Democratic Party simply ignores and opposes us until they need to use our outrage for political gain. Our views include things like diplomacy instead of war, joining the ICC, nuclear disarmament, drastic reduction of the defense budget, ending our perpetual wars, etc.
However, our views have always been less popular than the stereotypes. As in, many people in the center-left and left are just as pro-security, pro-military, pro-investment in defense related industries as the right wing. The difference is typically in what tactics to use. This is why the leadership in the center-right Democratic Party routinely ignores the pacifists and supports various forms of "military interventions". The Democratic Party is only center-left on social issues.
This is like claiming that all conservatives are pro-war. I know for a fact that wouldn't be true, since I know quite a few conservatives who claim to hate the MIC, hate the constant wars, and think we should mind our own business.
And this is why many of us dont see any option at fixing the problem unless rome burns to the ground. the machine is too well maintained for us to affect its trajectory.
originally posted by: 727Sky
What gets me is people can not see how rotten to the core some of their past and present heroes are. They are blindly faithful because they think someone much smarter than themselves will take care of stuff... When the reality is some of these supposedly smart people are just like all the rest of us.. We we need a village and go along with the masses etc etc... IMO many times the sheeple masses are really spelled without the "m" yet their voices carry far and wide.