Defensive Pridefulness

אֵיךְ נָפַלְתָּ מִשָּׁמַיִם, הֵילֵל בֶּן-שָׁחַר; נִגְדַּעְתָּ לָאָרֶץ, חוֹלֵשׁ עַל-גּוֹיִם.

Isaiah 12. How art thou fallen from heaven, O day-star, son of the morning! How art thou cut down to the ground, that didst cast lots over the nations!

From the Hebrew to the Latin, an understanding is present about a way of being that hides beneath the language of metaphor.

"HeILeL BeN ShaChaR". What is the Hebrew intimating here? Assuming a reflexive-proclivity for embedding unconscious biases into the construction and formation of a language i.e. generating a group consciousness partly through the semantics of the language on perception and motivation, tihs phrase is interesting.

Obviously, Heilel is related to the word Halal - praise. Ben ShaChaR...hmmm, "son of the morning"? Ben, as per the metaphysics of this language,is meant in the sense of "beget", or "product". ShAChaR. Hmmmm...This word, "shachar", means dawn, and yet in Job and other books the same word is used in the sense of "black". Also interesting is the association of these two terms with the river Nile "ShIChOR" - same three root letters, Shin, Cheth, and Resh.

The Metaphysics of the Mind

The ancients thought and understood very deeply about how the world works, but we all must admit that, despite the "wisdom" we sometimes attribute to them, it was an entirely "intuitive" approach to knowing, i.e. what's termed "top-down" in analytical philosophy. A bottom-up approach, conversely, is based on physics and the basic way and manner matter organizes itself. Causality - knowing which we way and how precisely things work, is an enormously powerful handmaiden of the intuitive approach to knowing.

Yet people clearly intuit and understand reality in different ways.

"Praise of the Dark Dawn", could be the Ugaritic description of what other's today call the "black sun". Lucifer, etc, etc.

Much hoopla - dramatic - and conducing to a really powerful narrative, goes into the production of these ideas, but I think the basic sense is lost, and people, thinking they know and understand, in all probability probably don't - and like all of us, are simply "trying to live" - even if that includes a whole lot of "errors" in the living process.

First, as a basic analytic question: why is this star, sun, etc, considered to have fallen? What is being referred to here?

The answer is pride - considered the offspring of consciousness, related to beauty and the perception of beauty i.e. its association with Venus. Pride is the natural "teleodynamic" attractor for the Human species, and yet, it is considered to have "fallen" - to have become gross, misused,because it is deriving its motivations "from the ground" i.e. from the fear-center of the brain - the amygdala (meaning "almond") - perhaps the "fruit" which grows inside our skulls when we keep knowing the world from the perspective of threat (evil) and advantage (good). Indeed, the word here contains the word for knowledge - "da'ath" for you Kabbalah wizards - נִגְדַּעְתָּ לָאָרֶץ.

And the last word, "choliesh", "caster of lots on nations", seems to be an indictment on the pagan nations, that perhaps critiques a certain way of thinking based in "luck", or taking "chances".

The indictment seems to be "you don't pay attention to the dynamics of things". and this heilel-ben-shahar would appear to be a cult of the ego - a cult which places pride - the very source of Human awareness - at the forefront, without much concern about how or why that feeling-relationship even exists like that.

Dichotomies Rule In Unbalanced Brains

This is truth. People who don't regulate their affects are very prone to exaggeration - embellishment - and so polarizing the people they disagree with.

Is this not demented? If you cannot represent things accurately with your words, and people hear a false or unbalanced representation of what they believe, is it not obvious that the other party will feel antagonized against? It is not a truism that attunement, sincerity, and concern for how your words will be received is a basic requirement for effective Human communication?

If yes, why do we tolerate yellers - the Clintons, the Bushes, the Trumps - who yell and in doing so, in the very act of orienting to others in that way, activate fear-dynamics in the brain-mind that incline the mind into a more rigid form. It is manipulation by people who falsely believe themselves to be invulnerable.

Every baby is imprinted by its environment - having its fear centers modulated by the presence or absence of important stimuli. An organization of kindness, love, and care, will always be picked up by mirror neurons and so stimulate neural-processes that work to "achieve" the pleasure of being recognized. These dynamics are superordinate to amygdala-fear system, operating in the anterior cingulate, insular and orbital frontal cortex.

The gift of such love is greater reflexive control of your feeling state. Love makes the world clear - without blemishes or faults. It builds neuron in areas of the brain that operate by regulating more ancient fear-centers - the amygdala, BNST, PAG, and reticular activating system.

Could the ancients have known this - could they have known that their perspective upon the world was a delusion generated by a traumatized brainstem, magnifying, exaggerating and inequitably presenting the social-processes around us?

No. You need Science. You need Newton, and yes, even Descartes, Bacon, and others, to get us looking outward, until we come to a threshold, following Darwin, Faraday, Maxwell-Clerk, Einstein, Bohr, Lorenz, etc, where we must address the relationship of the inner to the outer.

a reply to: Astrocyte

You are still fundamentally backwards.

First is will/spirit/force then perception/conception then form:

Like looking at something in low light and not being able to physically see what it is until you are able to conceive of what it might be, then it becomes physically clear/properly formed.

When trying to understand spiritual things, think of the physical as merely an image or reflection of the spiritual.

e.g. The baby's environment is his forces. What imprints on him is how he conceives of said forces.

edit: Just like in physics: what appears depends on how the wave is measured. what appears is an image of the measure/conception.

Yeshua/the Word is the image of Yahweh/the translator and Yahweh/Father is the translator of the Spirit.

Oh and pride is different than how you're addressing it. The word you actually want is glory. Pride is vainglory and is a sin. Spiritually, that is, pride is always bad. Actually, I think it's honor that is the word. Glory is probably holy/sacred honor and would therefore belong solely to God. Anyways: pride = bad.

a reply to: Bleeeeep

I'd give your response two stars if I could!

originally posted by: Astrocyte
... pride - considered the offspring of consciousness,

Everything is the 'offspring' of (a 'feature' of is more precise) of Consciousness!

related to beauty and the perception of beauty

'Beauty' is what the eye of unconditional Love sees, in whatever it may fall upon.
'Pride' is the 'belief' that you have 'free-will/choice'.
Belief in the 'illusions' of the ego/thought!
The 'sinsanity' of Pride is found where Love is not!
The 'love' that you seem to be talking is all conditional, based upon looks or this or that.
Subject to 'time' and 'death'.
Unconditional Love is just that, unconditional, unbound by all conditions.
The 'conditional' eye knows 'pretty', the unconditional Knows Beauty!

Dark night of the soul... that is what it is speaking of. Life is a state of constant becoming or birth so is death when not attached to form or formlessness. Knowledge is simply attachment to what the gates of the sense sphere's or consciousnesses sense... this conceptual is passed by word of mouth this becomes word in mind. That word in mind then bears all that could be called a self... that self is attachment reflecting attachment of not only oneself but those around you in formation of that self like a potters wheel shaping youth into what is desired as a vessel to become a vassal.

Experience is obviously something to learn from; experience can arise with no words or concepts... phenomena arises and passes grasping and passing such has been this by word of mouth to make all peoples vessels... vassals.

Becoming or the natural state of arising and passing birth and death occur very rapidly via attachment in meditation one can realize this whether in the day of life or the night that dawns at death. It points to the bardo or intermediate state of becoming always occurring... the birth and death through the realms of being. When one yells at another it is like a dog guarding it's food or territory barking like stay away words then teeth. So hey one was just in the animal realm of being, but attached to the form of human? Didn't realize it that's the illusion to some awareness dog to another human... all of the realms are like this; and the escape isn't an escape it is lifting the illusion, knowing what one is becoming in that constant unawareness of birth and death in the rising and passing moment to moment.

In that ignorance we become all from hungry ghosts and hell beings, animals, humans, deva, asura, gods and titans not even aware of the transitioning due to not being in control of oneself... those that can control themselves by not having any self just pure awareness arising and passing will start seeing these states and all of those that dwell in them seen and unseen... through the deepest parts of hells losing limbs burning, to the highest heavens with castles in the sky and all in between. Craving and desire and attachment to any one of those leaves them all seamless one can pass through any of them, receive the retribution for bad karma as in sacrifice a leg hope that it is used to feed some hunger or desire to alleviate suffering even when one has not created karma do the same as a gift and offering... to feed those hungering and needing some retribution to rise to help with balance in the worlds.

Not running or fearing such as you were and are one of them and have been as an existence in such awareness and unawareness many many times, such is the nature of karma, cause and effect intent for oneself without regard to all else. Of course that varies individual to individual many just want to go to the castles in the sky well fighting and strife and power plays there too, so suffering just the same just a different sort eventually over time all of that bad compounds over thousands of years enough to fall into reincarnation into the lower realms perhaps even hell where life is much shorter burning up countless past deeds in the awareness of birth and death very quickly so one may rise up from that pain and suffering caused in the ignorance of grasping that something or someone or something is better or worse or good or evil than another.

In some realms yes; but freedom from the cycle means going through the entire thing from top to bottom; without attachment, taking the pain and of course being an example to someone else in that realm too to give them strength a warm smile and show them that despite one losing a limb it can be transcended... that it is temporary and such is the nature of nature itself in birth and death in the cycle of becoming the wheel of samsara or six worlds freedom isn't sitting on a puffy cloud stroking a harp... it is none of them are seen in any differentiation in their arising and passing from one to the next.

On ones death; someone will be there to raise you up with word they will appear or "dawn" as a light this light will reflect one of the worlds one can then take rebirth as typical or one having practiced meditation use it as the great chance for liberation. Of course one will have to go through their own dark night of the soul if they manage to avoid the five wombs that will birth them in the bardo into one of those realms.

The plane of existence is like a very bright moonlight in the dark this lasts an incalculable amount of time; could seem like hours could seem like aeons it is the so called purgatory where one kinda sits as whatever needs judgment having died to sort it all out as one is not aware of what the cause was... some can go through this and not even be aware they have died drift into formless realms and planes as hungry ghosts, smoke and incense are good things to help feed them in compassion still having the chance but not know how to get out of that deep well of discontent so one becomes the shinning light in that plane...

Perhaps all of this is too esoteric but is has been can be and at will at some point be experienced if one has not already; in various forms but also those that are so cliché that it seems hokey like really? That alligator eating hearts is real? I didn't even practice Egyptian religion... indeed real as a concept for many years and years past and even to this day, so going through such realms and bardos in aid and help as an observer a "soul" a Ka whatever so that there is unity and understand of the whole?

To be the most help one can be in liberation? To become aid in liberation to cease becoming oneself as a lamp that points the way out o all darkness and light that could cause one to stumble or be blinded. That there is the middle holding a hand to prevent the stumble and one to shield ones eyes so they may see.

I have walked buddhism talked it same as anyone else their paths, but at some point like the weighing the heart against a feather awakening is just awakening such lines of those paths get blurred and the point to be a hand of help is to walk as many as one can to do just that.

Of course, thats the dawn that occurs in the dark of night... awareness always present but attached to form will not understand the formless nature of all things the same as they already know the form of all things even have names for all that may arise out of formlessness waiting.

Some form objects of creation, some of conception in wanting children. Rising and passing moment to moment occurs on all levels and none of the paths in life are easy not even the one known as the path through death... some walking it right now unaware looks just the same but kinda off; resolve to absolve what one needs to in truth in way of body speech and mind and that dawn in the dark of night turns back into day.

I hope this helps... if it makes no sense to anyone; I hope it remains that way for as long as possible meaning have a long and happy life.

a reply to: Astrocyte

Here are a few clues to your outline. BEN is Bet Nun, or House and Seed. It's the Hebrew word Son.

ALEPH - Aleph Bet - Hebrew word Father, also the Letters of DNA. It means Strong House, or Strong Force in nature.

MEM - Aleph Mem - Hebrew word Mother, also the CUP bearing the seed as a formless void for the Spirit. She is the grail, or holy gate of wonders in TAO 1.

TAV - Bet Nun - House of Seed, or Son in Hebrew. From ONE, many. One bread with yeast is sliced into many from the bread basket that never goes empty.

Aleph Mem Tav is the word TRUTH.

Mem Tav is the word Death.

Aleph is the Father.

Bread of Life is the House of Seed. If you get this far, then simply know who the loaf represents as the Star of the Morning, or first dawning man (MANU). He is the bright and morning star, mistaken for Lucifer ever since Jerome mistranslated this with a Latin word. In truth, there is only one Son divided into the division from the Strong House (Strong Force of Neutron / Proton). Electrons are the weak force, or the yeast in the seed. This is necessity if the seed is to be divided. Hydrogen is one proton (+) and one electron (-) in balance. The Neutron holds the Proton in invariance. Electrons are necessity to individuation of the parts from the whole, or the statement, "This is my body which is shed for you." Eat up. Bread is always there, but we cannot live on bread alone.

Colossians 1

15 The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16 For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. 17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.

This is the Bread. We are slices.

1 Corinthians 10

14 Therefore, my dear friends, flee from idolatry. 15 I speak to sensible people; judge for yourselves what I say. 16 Is not the cup of thanksgiving for which we give thanks a participation in the blood of Christ? And is not the bread that we break a participation in the body of Christ? 17 Because there is one loaf, we, who are many, are one body, for we all share the one loaf.

The Idol is the outer form. The Cup is the Mother's womb (Spirit). The bread is the Son himself, or the topic of Ezekiel 28 and all other chapters of the Bible. BEN! There is never more than one topic in the Bible. We are relative to the relative prime. Before being divided and individuated, we were in him as one. Guest and Host today.

originally posted by: Astrocyte
The ancients thought and understood very deeply about how the world works

Any religion, philosophy, and thought coming from goat herders has to be taken with a grain of salt. Many people of that time believed the Earth was flat.

I think the world needs a new religion taking into account the latest theories of modern physics. Repeatable patterns in nature behave in an insanely consistent fashion. Any modern religion based superstition has to take into account the way Nature is religiously consistent with the laws of physics.

originally posted by: BigBrotherDarkness
Craving and desire and attachment to any one of those leaves them all seamless one can pass through any of them, receive the retribution for bad karma as in sacrifice a leg hope that it is used to feed some hunger or desire to alleviate suffering even when one has not created karma do the same as a gift and offering... to feed those hungering and needing some retribution to rise to help with balance in the worlds.

My karma ran over dogma.

originally posted by: Astrocyte
אֵיךְ נָפַלְתָּ מִשָּׁמַיִם, הֵילֵל בֶּן-שָׁחַר; נִגְדַּעְתָּ לָאָרֶץ, חוֹלֵשׁ עַל-גּוֹיִם.

Isaiah 12. How art thou fallen from heaven, O day-star, son of the morning! How art thou cut down to the ground, that didst cast lots over the nations!

From the Hebrew to the Latin, an understanding is present about a way of being that hides beneath the language of metaphor.

One day two monks were in a garden arguing subjectivity versus objectivity. The Zen master hearing them arguing approached the two students. The Zen master asked, "that rock over there, does that exist inside your head or outside your head?". One of the monks looked up at the Zen master and replied, "Well, our bible tells us that all truth is subjective so that rock only exists inside my head." At which point the Zen master replies, "Then it must be pretty heavy all day walking around with that rock in your head!"

a reply to: dfnj2015

was it to Dodge a chicken?