The problem of Africa.

a reply to: crazyewok

africa is being taken advantage of by itself and outsider influences, been going on for years. most of the aid we send gets confiscated by rogue militant groups, they fight kill and take whatever they want. they have plenty of fertile land to grow there own crops. plenty of land to raise livestock. until the real issues are taken care of sending them aid like we do is just keeping the corrupt system going.

originally posted by: Raggedyman
When Africa was carved up by the Europeans into different country's, they never accounted for the different tribes. Some countries have many tribes in them who don't get along.
Hence the civil wars

Look at De Beers and their power, corruption and greed associated with diamonds. It's not about overpopulation or bad management, it's Western Greed, always has been

Blame western countries, don't blame Africans and overpopulation

Silly opening thread, completely blind to the truth

I think your the blind one using the "blame the west card".

Nothing is stopping them putting down the guns and ending the petty tribal wars. Not all responsibility can be put on the west.

And famine by default means overpopulation in a area as there would not be famine in the area if it could support the population. Hell when Europeans first arrived Africa was still overrun with tribal wars! That’s why slavery started in the first place because when European arrived most the African Kingdoms had surplus captives from all there petty wars! Wars has been apart of Africa long before Europeans ever showed up!

Also if it was not for the west they would be still be stuck in the Stone Age.
It was European colonists that started building the roads, the schools and the city’s. And when the UK owned parts of Africa those areas enjoyed prosperity, plentiful food and relative peace (compared with today)

a reply to: crazyewok

Because every time white farmers start growing crops to feed the population the blacks rebel and take the land back so they can turn it all into useless mud pits again.

There are people here who think I'm lying, or exaggerating, or being racist. Truth hurts.

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: Revolution9
a reply to: crazyewok

You having another go with your finger pointing? Last time it got screwed up and thrown in the paper bin marked 404 because it was so hate filled.

And that’s one of the reason Africa will continue to be a # hole.

This statement goes to show how inept/uninformed you are on the subject of Africa.

Did tv tell you that all of Africa is a #hole?

Id suggest doing some research, and to take heed of intrptr's posts.... but we all know youd just prefer to spew your bigoted 2 cents..

Africa is in a sad state and its our own corruption to blame. Some of you can blame the west all you want, but in the end it's the African leaders who let themselves be corrupted by whomever. Yes, the colonial masters exploited the place, but colonialism ended years ago and the new guard is even worse. They are in charge, if they are being exploited, it's their own fault.

Great thread premise.

Africa speaks to so many of humanities worst aspects.

We seem to want to grow the continents population. They are set to be the most populous continent in the world, with population growing at the fastest pace. It should seem reasonable given the size of the place, and the lower population densities historically. There's lots of room on the vertical to grow. But when you consider the continent has been in a constant state of famine throughout my lifetime, particularly the western part around the horn. It is atypical that population would grow in times of famine.

So what is the purpose of this? Why grow a population that cannot sustain itself? I think that answer tells you a lot about where the conspiracy leads. If not, then its simply economics.

Or, when there's a niche, it will be filled. No doubt theres money to be made in charity. If nothing else, charity pays employees....so there's employment. And if you found or run the charity, there's self employment. Which can bring decent cash. Then you have the specialists, who get big bucks to figure out how to flow more cash. Maybe you pay them $5mil/year, and they increase contributions by $8mil (of which a portion gets rolled out as bonuses). Once you get to this point, its less a charity and more an employment cash cow supported by revenue generated through good deeds. A real bastardization of the process.

But beyond the lucrative charity side....could someone plan to benefit from an enormous socialist republic in the making? Think about it....from the highest level.....


China and India both have seen standards of living soar. They are both operating socially and economically with a thriving middle class. Meaning the cheap labor will eventually be gone. Maybe 1 more generation, and Asia (excepting maybe N. Korea, but i suspect they'll be brought into the fold soon) will be, economically, equal and labor will need a new home.

This new home? Africa. Its population will be enormous. The transition could take maybe 2 generations. And will provide the world with a new labor force, should one be needed, to do what asia does now. I suspect it won't be needed by this point. 2050 is a common projection date....we'll see.

During this time Agenda 21 (or something similar) will be pushed harder and harder in the west, and possibly asia (depending on the desire for more consumerism vs more agriculture) to increase crop density and yield. Include in this the likelihood that we will begin transition to synthetic meats over the next 15-20 years (making more room for crop production). I think by 2100 we likely won't need to use land to make food.

All of this presupposes we won't kill ourselves before then.

Conspiracy Alert

And this is why you see the wars we have today. Its how whoever is running their plan brings countries into their fold. Its the "New World Order". Is it bad? Who knows. Humanity is on a course to forever change itself, and i think it makes us all uncomfortable. And you can likely take this little conspiracy further by asking yourself where the plan came from to begin with. How the ball on the whole thing got rolling.

The western society do install their guy in Africa but the people in Africa are never doing the wise thing to get rid of the western oligarchy. There is always dualistic tribe on tribe idiocy that can be used. Banks dump debt fiat money and forever feed on the interest. And then we have the most dualistic religions (Christian faith and Islam) making it even worse.

Africans could have taken the India path and use emotions to make western populations force the western banking mafia to lay off them and give them real breathing room to evolve.

a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

Also there is the huge profits made in keeping the tribes at war.

Yes a huge amount of blame needs to go on the African themselves for perpetuating the violence themselves but the west sure is not concerned with stopping it. Billions is made from weapons sales to these dictators and rebels alike.

When Europe directly owned it it was more profitable to keep the region at peace but when the USA forced the UK and France out after WW2 it has I think become more profitable to keep the region in poverty and war.

The economy of a country is highly dependent on it's economic freedom. For most of the 20th century, African countries haven't had much economic freedom. Sometimes it has been because of western imposed governments and/or corruption, aiding the corruption within the countries themselves. But there are quite a bit of countries there, Botswana for example, which had had lots more economic freedom than other African countries over the last decades, and their economies have been growing much faster than the rest during that time. Some countries,especially Kenya also use (MPesa) which has been very good for their economies.

In fact Africa has some of the fastest growing economies right now.

en.wikipedia.org...

Give it time. The African countries are growing.


The African economies to watch in 2017

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: CulturalResilience

Are you saying its someone else's fault?

Way to quote content out of context, deflect with stupid questions, besides not watching the video.

As I said the last time you touted that video, I have seen it before and it does not address the real issue. Denial is not just a river in Africa, on that continent its a lifestyle choice.

While we can certainly blame colonialism and other influences, at the end of the day I'd say a culture of corruption is the main reason the continent by in large is still a sh*thole.

It really is a shame because Africa has such a massive amount of natural resources along with the potential to be a major tourist destination.

Throwing more money at it won't fix Africa or any other country. Most of the countries issues aren't really related to money. All that happens is warloads and corrupt officials siphon off any money.

originally posted by: Edumakated
While we can certainly blame colonialism and other influences, at the end of the day I'd say a culture of corruption is the main reason the continent by in large is still a sh*thole.

It really is a shame because Africa has such a massive amount of natural resources along with the potential to be a major tourist destination.

Throwing more money at it won't fix Africa or any other country. Most of the countries issues aren't really related to money. All that happens is warloads and corrupt officials siphon off any money.

I have a friend from Zambia and she explained the culture of extreme nepotism. If a family member gets a job with any sort of authority or responsivity it expected of them to use that in favour of there family and try and get other family members into similar jobs, weather they are competent or not.

Naturally this results in extreme corrupt and inefficient governments and police forces.

The problem is it built into the culture of the country so even if you kick our the corrupt officals the next lot will do the exact same thing.....

a reply to: crazyewok

That is very true in most parts of Africa. The ANC did exactly the same regardless of anyone's qualifications for the job and its happening in other areas of expertise too such as pilots doctors etc which makes things quite dangerous when you have underqualified undertrained people doing professional jobs

a reply to: PhyllidaDavenport

And while I'm at it I may as well remind you that the native Africans didn't find the diamonds copper gold etc it was the colonials...had Europeans not gone there those minerals would STILL be lying in the ground.

What you have been saying is so wrong, all i'm going to do is highlight what you said above. You need to check your privilege and attitude at the door. Your so far of base, your floating around in space!

a reply to: cenpuppie

If you say so
I'm sure you're right and I'm so very wrong oh and privileged.....oh so very very privileged ....to have lived in Africa to have experienced it first hand not from some internet website or titbits of media...but thanks for the input....

originally posted by: cenpuppie


What you have been saying is so wrong,

Why?

originally posted by: cenpuppie
all i'm going to do is highlight what you said above.

Not good enough, provide reason and proof.

originally posted by: cenpuppie
You need to check your privilege and attitude at the door

HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
That may fly in some dip# libral arts college but not in this thread or in the real word.

Privilage my arse.

originally posted by: cenpuppie
because not only do you sound like a bigot,

The typcial race card!

originally posted by: cenpuppie
your so far of base, your floating around in space!

Why? All you have presented in your sterotypical hollow libral catchphrases.

There for I declare that your argument is Invalid!

a reply to: PhyllidaDavenport

to have lived in Africa to have experienced it first hand not from some internet website or titbits of media

who said anything about living there? your the one with the condescending attitude about the inhabitants of whole continent, thinking that they would let resources sit around, unused.

But then again, you have a condescending attitude about the Africans anyway from what you've posted, I don't care what you think or say about this subject as your opinion is highly biased and full of conjecture.

a reply to: cenpuppie

And you from North Carolina clearly know the African culture & history so much better