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The Tengri 137 Puzzle Was NOT Designed By Aliens and Why

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posted on Mar, 30 2017 @ 08:16 PM
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Who doesn't love puzzles? I do, especially clever ones that depart from the normal convention.

Meet Tengri 137. Tengri 137 is a group that, similar to Cicada 3301 (but with a completely different purpose), published a series of puzzles and riddles to try and solve as a "test" of one's merit to be "chosen" as a messenger by supremely intelligent beings not from Earth. At first, I was taken back by the charm and what seemed almost like magic with numbers. I won't get into the entire breakdown of the whole puzzle, I'm going to focus on the steps involved in encrypting pretty much anything using simple tools and math. In the current day, with privacy being such an issue, these may end up being very valuable to those who want to hide information in plain sight, in a way that AI and other types of spying can't detect.

The book, was initially published with the first half, and was encoded in runes from the Anglo Saxon runic alphabet. Decoding this was a simple process for most, so it went rather quickly. That was part of the plan, was to make people go "wow, this is in an ancient language!" and when decrypted, talks about these beings that seek to enlighten us with their knowledge and choose select people to be entrusted with this knowledge. Quite a reward! However, the tone and language of the text was arrogant and poor grammar. They "demonstrate" their abilities using some of this complex math along with Magic Squares and Magic Cubes, overlaid on top of some geometric symbols that are familiar to most people. Oooh, this is getting good! These magic cubes and their numbers were linked directly to Bible scripture, with direct references to the numbers in the scripture. (666, 3:14 Exodus, 3:15 Exodus, etc.) This is when I started scratching my head and got me wondering...

Fast forward a bit, and some audio files with embedded alphabets and messages in them were posted on Twitter and fairly quickly decrypted. There was some clever hiding of the alphabet used to decrypt the next message but nothing super human by any stretch, and no different than anything Cicada had done up to that point. This is where things got interesting...

The second half of the book was published, but it was all lengthy math formulas. In order to decrypt it, you had to do the math to get a series of numbers. When those numbers (very long decimal values) were written out and broken into specific numbered places (46 decimals), the numbers represented encoded words. Those words were encrypted using the letters from the periodic table of elements to represent the respective numbers. These words made up the second half of the book.

The translation spoke of ancient beings, that there is no God, that there is a finite universe, that our religions and faiths are bad for us, and our thoughts are not our own... and made it sound as though these were aliens making first contact. Of course, this created quite the stir, and my skepticism quickly kicked in and drew me in to working through this puzzle to see just how "advanced" these beings were. If I could reverse engineer the puzzle, it would make it highly unlikely that it's an advanced intelligence. The statements made and the claims just didn't add up to what would be expected from such an advanced intelligence. So I began by starting at the final message and working backward, which is what I am going to explain now. It's like peeling away an onion, but we're starting with the middle of the onion.

Let's start with a phrase that is encrypted and a number that I want to see as the outcome. I'll use one I made up, and then will show you how the Tengri puzzle did the same with their problems. This is to illustrate how you start with a desired number and work backward to encrypting information.

Let's start with the message. "~~IT~IS~JUST~MATH~~". We are going to encode it in binary. That's going to look like the following:

"01111110 01111110 01001001 01010100 01111110 01001001 01010011 01111110 01001010 01010101 01010011 01010100 01111110 01001101 01000001 01010100 01001000 01111110 01111110"

We will remove the spaces and the result will be a long string of 1 or 0.

Next, let's "encrypt" this by obfuscation, or "hiding" it. We do this by changing each 1 into a consonant and each 0 into a vowel.

You can pick any consonant or vowel you want, but for the sake of the next example, we are going to exclude the letters "J, Q and X" and I'll explain why in a moment.

The resulting string looks something like this:

A Z P L Z G G E
E D B B R H N O
...


The Tengri puzzle used this (they put 14 characters on a line to confuse things and further obfuscate the binary):

U T M A F E R T U M U R U B
A F M U G E R T U S E R U N
...


Ok, so now we have letters / alphabet and we have partially encrypted our message. Next, we are going to add the next layer of encryption using the periodic table of elements!

So in the above example that I created, we will derive numbers for each of the letters. I won't go through the entire thing, but will do a single line to show you. We will find elements that have an A as the first letter, not being concerned with the second, and I'll explain why. I'll put the number for the atomic weight in, since that is what we are using.

A = Ar (18)
Z = Zr (40)
P = P (15)
L = Li (3)
Z = Zr (40)
G = Ga (31)
G = Ga (31)
E = Eu (63)

Now we combine the numbers and letters which will equal these two values:

ARZRPLIZRGAGAEU = 184015340313163

This is how the last page of the Tengri was encoded. So far, we have taken a text string, encrypted it using a variation of binary. Then we encrypted a single letter of it using the period table of elements as the cipher. If you took the above number, and looked up the numbers on the periodic table, you would get the letter equivalent. Drop the second letter of each one, and you have the series of consonants and vowels that make the binary 1 and 0 that our original message was encoded in. When you have enough context and characters, the patterns emerge and that is how this was able to be reverse engineered. This is one way the Tengri puzzle tries to use clever tricks as deception. Now I'll show you the math that arrives at the single line above.

So we have this number - 184015340313163 - it's pretty big. 184 trillion. To make it seem more complex than it is (the math is harder when it's a decimal), let's make it a decimal. This is important for the math to work out. The zeroes, no matter how many you put in front, would get ignored when we decrypt the number anyway. So let's change it to:

.00184015340313163

Let's pop this bad boy into our handy dandy calculator tool (unless you feel like doing it by hand) HERE - and put that number in. This will give us the following fraction:

184015340313163
----------------------
99999999999999999


This is VERY important. So we now have a fraction that represents the number we want to see as the outcome.

Now let's make the math as complex as we can.

Let's start by factoring the first number with out handy factoring site HERE.

184015340313163 = 337 * 479 * 1139957381

Now the second:

99999999999999999 = 3^2 * 2071723 * 5363222357

These are the same as the formulas used in Tengri.

(CONT'D)




posted on Mar, 30 2017 @ 08:17 PM
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So let’s recap… In the above example, my puzzle would give you this as the first (and only) clue:

337 * 479 * 1139957381
——————————————
3^2 * 2071723 * 5363222357


Which would translate to this:

.00184015340313163

Which would give us this:

00 18 40 15 3 40 31 31 63

If we look that up in the periodic table, we would get:

AR ZR P LI ZR GA GA EU

This would look something like this after we drop the second letter of each element:

A Z P L Z G G E

Which would be the first character of our binary message:

0 1 1 1 1 1 1 0

As you expand these concepts out, you get more complex and longer messages, which necessitates longer and more complex factorization and prime numbers.

The Tengri example uses much larger numbers, which result in larger factorization because they were stuffing more letters into the data. For this example, they gave us this number as a “demonstration” of their supremacy. They crammed the Fine-structure constant, 137, 666, 777, 888, Pi, the Golden ratio, and the speed of light in the vacuum into a number such as the following (this repeats):

0.0072973525613766677788831415921618033299792458

When we put this into our calculator for a fraction, we get:

24324508537922225929610471973872677766597486
—————————————————————————————————————
3333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333


This gives us factorization of:
2*23*499*19214759967251*55150662460749672076915609
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3*11*47*139*2531*549797184491917*11111111111111111111111


They say "THIS IS A CALCULATION TO SHOW YOU OUR KNOWLEDGE AND OUR WISDOM.”

Oh yea?


These formulas are written in the entire second half of the Tengri book, so you have to do all of the math to get their desired numbers, then translate to the periodic table and drop the first letter. That translated the entire second half of the book. The last page included the extra step of binary transposition with the alphabet.

A little sprinkle of some clever number construction and careful selection of your letters, which is why there were no J’s or Q’s in the Tengri puzzle, because the periodic table has no elements that start with those letters. This was an indirect clue, that had they chose a different technique, would have made it much harder to infer with a full alphabet.

What pissed me off is that it was a well-done puzzle, but using that as a way to manipulate people into something that you know they want to believe, is not cool. They hooked most people with the magic squares and cubes, and rather than go into detail about how that was done, I’ll just link a Youtube video that walks through it the same way I did.



The runes in the book were just looked up online and then translated for the first half of the book. Using ancient runes and mystic images in the book lends itself to the idea that it is ancient, or contains hidden knowledge, or comes from aliens.

Using symbolism and scripture form the Bible to prey on those weak in spirit or mind, is why people like me spend their time debunking crap like this. Trying to break people’s faith, manipulate them into thinking that thoughts don’t belong to us, that someone amongst us has alien DNA and will be “chosen" etc. is a sh!tty use of intelligence and skills like these.

Tengri makes heavy use of 666 in their work, so if that’s the best that the dark forces have to offer, we’re all going to heaven. LOL I’m sure Lucifer is pissed off right now at these guys for making him look bad, he wants his ad money back.


So that’s it folks, everything about this riddle is man-made and completely reproducible.

I hope that while debunking this, you’ve learned something new about encryption and how to hide things in plain sight. Information is all around you, hidden in places most people gloss over and some wouldn’t dream of. You can hide pictures in data in anything… images, music, random letters, numbers, elements… doing so makes it exponentially harder for your privacy to be violated. Even if government agencies have all of the encryption keys to the castles, it doesn’t mean we shouldn’t continue to fight for our privacy and take the steps we need to as individuals to defend it.

The sad reality is that the only private place left, is probably in your head.

~Namaste



posted on Mar, 30 2017 @ 08:59 PM
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a reply to: SonOfTheLawOfOne

Gee, you don't even have to do the factoring yourself?? To Tengi137...



Amazing what tools are out there! Well, with a 5-qubit quantum computer with its own API available by web, I suppose it should be no surprise.

Again, thanks for the math lesson!!



posted on Mar, 30 2017 @ 09:36 PM
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Just want to thank you very, very much for all the effort you put in to getting this thing totally solved and exposing what a manipulative (even unscrupulous) group the 'perpetrators' are!!!

You deserve some major kudos from ATS members, as well as some 'applause' from the staff!

As one of many here who are fascinated by the idea that some non-human 'intelligence' might well choose to utilize puzzles like Tengri 137 as a starting point to revealing their existence -

- I just really appreciate having the 'message' in this thing debunked so thoroughly (with such indisputable evidence) and so quickly...as opposed to spending weeks working thru it all and then finding out all that time was wasted..

Thank you again!!!




posted on Mar, 30 2017 @ 10:50 PM
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Again, GREAT job SOTLOO and a wonderful public service ...

especially for the poor sods (whomever the sods may be ... heh-em) who were starting to believe the hype.

So thanks and kudos.

And a smart critique where I learned something besides not to believe crap on the internet because it seems complex!



posted on Mar, 31 2017 @ 12:08 AM
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a reply to: Baddogma



That's very well, but how come the name of God written in the old Hebrew script using PI twice turns up in chapter 3.14..and in no other Place in the Bible. Pure coincidence? mabey.... and the calculation gives the Universal constant, with the speed of light etc along with the atomic numbers for Carbon oxygen and nitrogen in sequence? Nice try but your conclusion doesn't debunk that.



posted on Mar, 31 2017 @ 12:11 AM
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And so you've solved page 23?



posted on Mar, 31 2017 @ 07:09 AM
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a reply to: SonOfTheLawOfOne
They seem to have used a combination of Turkic and Saxon runes and even simply reversed some. It fits in with the Tengri motif. Good work here.

But you're wrong it must be aliens! I know it them cuz they no use good grammar!



posted on Mar, 31 2017 @ 08:23 AM
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a reply to: SonOfTheLawOfOne

please reply to anonentity .



posted on Mar, 31 2017 @ 09:14 AM
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Dang, good job OP. They actually had me going for a moment, and I consider myself pretty level headed about these things.

I guess in the end, I'm like Agent Mulder....I want to believe.



posted on Mar, 31 2017 @ 09:50 AM
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originally posted by: tetraether
And so you've solved page 23?



This is page 23 plus their second clue, which was the characters in page 23 in reverse (palindromic):

10101011010110 01101011010101
10101011010110 01101011010101
10110011010110 01101011001101
10110011010110 01101011001101
10101011010110 01101011010101
10101011010110 01101011010101
01010101001010 01010010101010
10101011010110 01101011010101
10101011010110 01101011010101
10101011010110 01101011010101
10101011010110 01101011010101

Yes, it has been solved. I explained how page 23 was decrypted above.

~Namaste



posted on Mar, 31 2017 @ 10:10 AM
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a reply to: anonentity

I think that was a very clever play on bible scripture, and may even be used by occultists to mislead people intentionally.

I showed you how I can CREATE that number myself, and turn that into whatever mathematical prime equation I want. If you use Pi by itself in their equations, they don't work. You HAVE to use the number 7, and you HAVE to use 6.67 (not the entire gravitational constant) to arrive at the number that contains all of those functions. They explicitly tell you to use the gravitational constant because 667 is a repeating decimal, which necessitates using a prime number as a factor of it. The number 7 in conjunction with the use of Pi is multiplying 2 primes, and using any multiplicative or exponent of it, will reduce to 7 as a prime in the factoring.

The numbering in the bible came LONG after it was written. The 3:14 reference wasn't there when the original characters were written. This is easily verifiable.

Would you like me to show you how I can write a number doing the same exact thing? The examples above are pretty clear, I did it with my own number. Keep in mind, the calculation they ask to do is purely math. They give the formula to show "their power". Well, here is a demonstration to show you how much BS there is here....

Here is a repeating decimal I made up...

0.00666777888999000137314159212345678901010101...

What are the odds that 666, 777, 888, 999, 000 would show up in order? And then 137? And then Pi? And then all of the numbers sequentially? And then binary? AND it repeats? Wow... I must be magic...

Nope.

Take this number, and put it into the site I provided, and you get a fraction that looks like this:

666777888999000137314159212345678901010101
---------------------------------------------------------------
99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999


Wow. That's some large numbers! No human being could ever work with these, right?

Prime factoring to the rescue.

Top number:

7*2062759*28136137*113883597323*14411494225562327

Bottom number (a repeating prime, necessary for this to work):

3^2*11^2*23*89*101*4093*8779*21649*513239*1052788969*1056689261

So that looks like this now:

7 * 2062759 * 28136137 * 113883597323 * 14411494225562327
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
3^2*11^2*23*89*101*4093*8779*21649*513239*1052788969*1056689261


This is what they published:


IF YOU ARE NOT CONVINCED THEN CALCULATE THE NEXT
NUMBER AND SEE WHAT A PROOF IS PROVIDED TO YOU ADAM
. FIND ALL OUR NUMBERS AND UNDERSTAND WHAT THIS MAY
MEAN. DECIMALS HAVE THEIR OWN MEANING. A REPETITIVE
INTERVAL OF EXACT FORTY SIX. THIS INTERVAL IS NOT A
RBITRARY.

(2×23×499×19214759967251×55150662460749672076915609)
----------------------------------------------------------
(3×11×47×139×2531×549797184491917×11111111111111111111111)

THIS IS A CALCULATION TO SHOW YOU OUR KNOWLEDGE A
ND OUR WISDOM.

THE CALCULATION OF OUR NAME IS NOT ACCIDENTAL. WHAT
IS THE PROBABILITY OF RANDOMNESS OF THIS CALCULATION
? DO YOU THINK THAT EVERYTHING IS JUST A COINCIDE
NCE? WHO AMONG YOU CAN WRITE OUR NAME THERE WHERE
IT IS WRITTEN NOW? HAS ANYONE THIS POWER? ONLY TENG
RI IS CAPABLE TO DO THIS.

OUR WORD IS NOT A FARCE. OUR KNOWLEDGE IS NOT A LI
E. YOU WAITED CENTURIES FOR OUR VISIT. YOU AWAITED
AN INTELLIGENCE WHICH TALKS IN MATHEMATICAL EQUA
TIONS WITH YOU. NOW WE ARE HERE AND CONTACT Y
OU. WE WAITING FOR YOUR ANSWER ADAM.


Page 23's message from them was "Nothing is Random" - and that is exactly what the troll is. After they published the book, they TELL you that NOTHING is random, meaning they created the numbers, they didn't occur that way "naturally".

That... is some BS. It took me 10 minutes to write this and break down the math. I think you're being fooled by the bible reference, which is just a way to make the story more believable. If I can do this in 10 minutes, so can you, and that makes them HUMAN, and means that everything else they say is BS. They are using the desires and weaknesses of people to try and steer you away from your faith or your independent thinking. Why else would they put pictures of ancient stuff all over the book? It makes it more BELIEVABLE. Throw religion in, mix God in, and you hook people who don't commonly understand these higher level math abstractions or encryption, and you have yourself a drove of followers. Why not go the other way with that and really lead people to answers and knowledge?

Not. Cool.

~Namaste
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posted on Mar, 31 2017 @ 10:13 AM
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originally posted by: Baddogma
Again, GREAT job SOTLOO and a wonderful public service ...

especially for the poor sods (whomever the sods may be ... heh-em) who were starting to believe the hype.

So thanks and kudos.

And a smart critique where I learned something besides not to believe crap on the internet because it seems complex!


Thank you!

It really bothers me to see people manipulated in this way. People are already manipulated enough by the system, the banks, government, media... they are looking for answers and truth, and this group preys on that. I would gladly spend all of my time doing this in the face of malevolent sh!theads.

A Cicada 3301, they are not.

~Namaste



posted on Mar, 31 2017 @ 10:24 AM
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a reply to: lostgirl

Thank you so much lostgirl!


I want aliens to make contact just as much (or more!) than most people.

I wonder at times, about the intelligent design of the universe and what the nature of God really is.

I understand the power of math and what it has done for the human race.

I wonder about the size and ends of the universe.

I think just about everyone does at different points in their life. And that is what drew me out of my cave to look closer at this one, I even initially commented on another thread that I was scratching my head on it and it seemed legit at first. The more I looked, the higher my BS meter went. I started seeing Youtube blow up with people and their comments and it started to get a little scary. People willing to dismiss their beliefs and buy right into it without a shred of critical thinking. That's when I got upset and sought out to debunk it.

Thank you again for the kind words, I really do appreciate it!

~Namaste



posted on Mar, 31 2017 @ 10:28 AM
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I felt that this whole puzzle was reverse engineered from the start.
Thank you for taking the time to post an explanation.



posted on Mar, 31 2017 @ 11:43 AM
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Cool, good work and thank you.
I too am interested in rooting out the BS.
Never thought the creators were aliens just because they say they are.
But if you think you've solved page 23 in ten minutes, I would suggest you would be wrong.

Cheers!😄

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posted on Mar, 31 2017 @ 12:09 PM
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originally posted by: tetraether
Cool, good work and thank you.
I too am interested in rooting out the BS.
Never thought the creators were aliens just because they say they are.
But if you think you've solved page 23 in ten minutes, I would suggest you would be wrong.

Cheers!😄


I never said I solved page 23 in 10 minutes... lol

It took me quite a while to figure it out... here is my scratch pad... to show you how I thought through it...


2 21 18 21 13 21 20 18 5 6 1 13 20 21 = 200 = 1111011101

14 21 18 5 19 21 20 18 5 7 21 13 6 1 = 189 = 11110111

25 1 16 19 21 1 26 2 5 8 9 13 12 1 = 168 = 1111111

26 1 14 18 21 1 26 2 5 14 15 13 2 1 = 160 = 111111111

20 15 2 9 11 15 20 12 21 2 21 13 25 15 = 201 = 111111011111

19 21 14 15 11 21 18 7 1 14 15 26 25 9 = 216

??? 2 21 18 21 13 21 20 18 5 6 1 13 20 21 21 20 13 1 6 5 18 20 21 13 21 18 21 2 = 400

B U R U M U T R E F A M T U U T M A F E R T U M U R U B
1 0 1 0 1 0 11
N U R E S U T R E G U M F A A F M U G E R T U S E R U N
Y A P S U A Z B E H I M L A A L M I H E B Z A U S P A Y
Z A N R U A Z B E N O M B A A B M O N E B Z A U R N A Z
T O B I K O T L U B U M Y O O Y M U B U L T O K I B O T
S U N O K U R G A N O Z Y I I Y Z O N A G R U K O N U S
O K U Z I K U F A U S I H E E H I S U A F U K I Z U K O
Y A B E K A N S A B E R H O O H R E B A S N A K E B A Y
N A F E R A N S A H O T F E E F T O H A S N A R E F A N
K O R E M O R B I Z U M R O O R N U Z I B R O M E R O K
S U N A K I R F A N E M B A A B M E N A F R I K A N U S


BURUMUTREFAMTUUTMAFERTUMURUBNURESUTREGUMFAAFMUGERTUSERUNYAPSUAZBEHIMLAALMIHEBZAUSPAYZANRUAZBENOMBAABMONEBZAURNAZTOBIKOTLUBUMYOOYMUBULTOKIBOTSUNOKURGAN OZYIIYZONAGRUKONUSOKUZIKUFAUSIHEEHISUAFUKIZUKOYABEKANSABERHOOHREBASNAKEBAYNAFERANSAHOTFEEFTOHASNAREFANKOREMORBIZUMROORNUZIBROMEROKSUNAKIRFANEMBAABMENA FRIKANUS
10101011010110011010110101011010101101011001101011

BE RA MT TU
NE RU SF TA
YE PI UL ZA

RU MU MT U
NU SU GU MF A
PS HI ML A
ZA NR NO MB A
TO BI KO LU MY O
KU R GA ZY I
OK UZ IK US IH E
KA N RH
FE RA N HO TF
KO MO R BI ZU MR
KI R NE MB

Vowel = 0, Consonant = 1

1 0 1 0 1 0 1 1 0 1 0 1 1 0
1 0 1 0 1 0 1 1 0 1 0 1 1 0
1 0 1 1 0 0 1 1 0 1 0 1 1 0
1 0 1 1 0 0 1 1 0 1 0 1 1 0
1 0 1 0 1 0 1 1 0 1 0 1 1 0
1 0 1 0 1 0 1 1 0 1 0 1 1 0
0 1 0 1 0 1 0 1 0 0 1 0 1 0
1 0 1 0 1 0 1 1 0 1 0 1 1 0
1 0 1 0 1 0 1 1 0 1 0 1 1 0
1 0 1 0 1 0 1 1 0 1 0 1 1 0
1 0 1 0 1 0 1 1 0 1 0 1 1 0

10101011010110
10101011010110
10110011010110
10110011010110
10101011010110
10101011010110
01010101001010
10101011010110
10101011010110
10101011010110
10101011010110

Keep in mind, page 23 is a bunch of similar math. It was translated using the periodic table of elements. They (Tengri) posted a tweet confirming the results, and a follow-up tweet with the results in reverse.

I just showed you, twice, how I arrived at the binary for the message. It's a repeating set of characters and the word "ZERO". They (Tengri) said nobody would know who is rewarded, that's why. You've been trolled.

I'm not trying to portray myself as intelligent with this post... I'm trying to show you that they are not.

~Namaste



posted on Mar, 31 2017 @ 01:00 PM
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a reply to: SonOfTheLawOfOne

Impressive mathematic you did there, but it is easier to reproduce than to invent.
You tell the numbering in the bible came LONG after it was written & the same goes for the Torah.
This is almost blasphemy.
I am who i am (YHWH) is written 4 places in 2 books.



posted on Mar, 31 2017 @ 01:27 PM
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a reply to: SonOfTheLawOfOne

They (Tengri) said nobody would know who is rewarded, that's why. You've been trolled.

Remember what happen last time a rumor of a messenger got to the king's ear.



posted on Mar, 31 2017 @ 05:29 PM
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originally posted by: Norge
a reply to: SonOfTheLawOfOne

Impressive mathematic you did there, but it is easier to reproduce than to invent.
You tell the numbering in the bible came LONG after it was written & the same goes for the Torah.
This is almost blasphemy.
I am who i am (YHWH) is written 4 places in 2 books.


Huh?


Math is difficult to invent? I didn't invent anything, but neither did they... lol They didn't invent anything! They came up with some words, replaced letters with numbers, and found a way to use math to encode them into prime factorable formulas. This isn't alien intelligence, it is basic hacking and low-level encryption techniques.

And yes, I am telling you that the numbering in the bible, and the chapters, came LONG after they were both written:


When the books of the Bible were originally written there were no such things as chapters or verses. Each book was written without any breaks from the beginning to the end.

They Have Been Divided For Convenience

The chapter and verse divisions were added to the Bible for the sake of convenience. There is no authoritative basis for the divisions we now find.

The Chapters Added In The Thirteenth Century

A man named Stephen Langton divided the Bible into chapters in the year A.D. 1227. Langton was a professor at the University of Paris and later he became the Archbishop of Canterbury.


Source A

That's over 1000 years there buddy... and this isn't something new, it can be found on Wikipedia too:


The Bible is a compilation of many shorter books written at different times by a variety of authors, and later assembled into the biblical canon. All but the shortest of these books have been divided into chapters, generally a page or so in length, since the early 13th century. Since the mid-16th century, each chapter has been further divided into "verses" of a few short lines or sentences. Sometimes a sentence spans more than one verse, as in the case of Ephesians 2:8–9, and sometimes there is more than one sentence in a single verse, as in the case of Genesis 1:2. As the chapter and verse divisions were not part of the original texts, they form part of the paratext of the Bible.


Blasphemy is a strong accusation, especially considering I am fighting AGAINST what they said, which is that God doesn't exist. Hopefully you are accusing them of blasphemy and not me, because that would be... not very smart.

The name of God was written in the Torah before the Bible, and that is what Tengri referenced.

You almost sound like you still believe they are really aliens... if that helps you sleep better at night, you're free to believe what you want. I think many, many others will disagree with you.

I'm trying to help you understand, but you seem sort of butt hurt over this... did you spend significant time on this thinking it was real and you're taking that frustration out on me? That's how it is coming across...

Stick with the facts and leave opinion out of it. Math is factual, I don't need to prove anything else beyond that and I was crystal clear what my intentions are, and went out of my way to show you, yet you still question it even with 2 rounds of proof.

Have fun with the alien puzzle.


~Namaste
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