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The Belgian UFO wave began in November 1989. The events of 29 November would be documented by thirty different groups of witnesses, and three separate groups of police officers. All the reports related a large object flying at low altitude. The craft was of a flat, triangular shape, with lights underneath. This giant craft did not make a sound as it slowly moved across the landscape of Belgium. There was free sharing of information as the Belgian populace tracked this craft as it moved from the town of Liege to the border of the Netherlands and Germany.
originally posted by: Ridhya
a reply to: zazzafrazz
It's quite simply because, no matter what is the cause of the phenomenon, it is effective. In truth it doesn't even matter whether the cause is aliens, government experiment, psychological warfare, psychological projection, reality-psyche symbiosis, natural phenomena, plasma creatures, demons, time travelers, whatever... all that matters is that it has a profound effect on human society and is being manipulated to that end.
That was the whole point of Messengers of Deception, and it's lost on many people.
Whether you are a believer or a skeptic you're being manipulated by UFOs and the primary manipulation seems to be to make people believe in aliens at any cost, as they are next in line for the Religious Reformation. If you study history you see that it goes in cycles, and people believe in one thing (sun worship), then move on to personified elements, then move on to classic pagan pantheons, then move on to monotheism, and now we're onto the next step, the "space brothers". Psychologically speaking it makes sense, as we desire a more concrete form of belief (physical aliens) while still requiring the phony spiritual woo woo bullsh# that makes us feel all gooey inside.
So now we have the New Age movement taking over the mainstream, filling in the power vacuum left by the growing disillusionment with abrahamic religions combined with the growing anti-science movement. Look at how many people prefer emotional posts over logical/scientific reasoning.
The fact is when both science and religion fail to address the problems and questions of society, the next cult will move in to take its place, to make humanity comfortable - because we will take a comforting lie over an unpleasant truth any day.
Notice how Kenneth Arnold's "flying saucer" described the motion rather than the shape, and his drawing depicted a clear Horten 229 bomber. But at that time it was classified. Revealing it would have revealed to the public that not only were the Nazis more advanced than America, but that they hired them after the war. That was actually a secret until Christopher Simpson first fully revealed it in 1988, and some documents are STILL classified. And it is no coincidence that the New Age movement contains so many Nazi principles (like Superior Blonde Alien DNA, or totalitarian government) and is run by the CIA.
The Foo Fighters were only seen around a certain equipped aircraft and so I believe that holds the answer. Radar.
In my opinion reality - or the earth itself - has some sort of symbiotic relationship with the human psyche, and it is in our fragile minds' best interest that reality remains largely "stable"... despite the multitude of breaches.
How's that for classic ATS?
Demons and black ops bore you? Man I need a glimpse into your exciting life
In which case the phenomenon is all the other stuff - military craft, black ops programs, demons, or natural phenomenon. Much of which bores me to tears.
originally posted by: zazzafrazz
When you say "they" are manipulating society. who are "they" in your opinion.
In your last paragraph you say reality or the earth has a symbiotic relationship with the human psyche, can you clarify that?
How is "reality" a conscious thing, or how is the "earth" the planet a conscious thing?
The Belgian UFOs that were tracked on radar were eventually determined to be flying underground, all but one, and of course this isn't possible because as soon as a flying object hits the ground we call it a crash, and even if it could fly underground the radar couldn't track it so anomalous propagation would seem to be the only possible explanation for those radar tracks, and there may have also been some misperceptions of some visual objects though the famous photo was hoaxed so nobody ever got a real photo of any object that I know of.
originally posted by: zazzafrazz
a reply to: onehuman
I don't know enough about Belgian, though Nefermore my former crew mate on ATS live radio once talked me through how he thought it was one of ours...Can't remember the details, so anyone who can give me a summary link would be great.
Phoenix Lights, we interviewed a well known anti scientology reporter Tony Ortega who told us he did some research on Pheonix and wrote an interesting article debunking it. www.skeptic.com...
Rendelsham forrest, I think we have the BEST thread anywhere on the internet on it. Miragemans thread . Again we interview Nick Pope (former British MOD) who is fairly pro-Rendelsham, but the thread here on ATS which I have followed for years has made me question it's validity.
And that one photograph?
In "The Belgian UFO Wave" Skeptoid podcast episode, Brian Dunning discussed the F-16 chase and reported that
"The pilots also got intermittent contact with objects, but they appeared and disappeared and moved up and down too fast, including going underground. The pilots never saw anything at all."...
"It was simply a psycho-social phenomenon, which is why there is no evidence and only the one questionable photograph. If 13,500 people did all actually see something that they took for a UFO at the time, I guarantee you that more than just a single photograph would have resulted."...
"In 2011, a guy named Patrick Maréchal invited Belgian reporters to his home to show them what he and some buddies had done at work one day when the media hype had been at its peak. They took a sheet of styrofoam, cut it into a triangle, painted it black, embedded a flashlight in each corner, then hung it from a string.Maréchal still had tons of photos that they'd taken trying to get that one that was just right, and that fooled the world"