How North Korea could kill 90 percent of Americans

originally posted by: crazyewok
Many people are these people, especially the welfare class and my own snowflake generation don’t want to learn, they want easy quick fixes there and then.

Heard one in the store the other day bewailing the idiocy of the doctor she'd gone to see.

He had written her a prescription for her UTI. She had taken the first antibiotic tablet an hour previous and WASN'T BETTER. The charlatan! The utter fool! It DIDN'T WORK. She still burned when she peed, OVER AN HOUR LATER.

Plus I have to admit on thinking even rural America might not fare to well.

We have seen in this decade what happens when a modem government falls.

Look at Syria. The central Government collapsed and everyone went full retard.

The USA like every country has its fair share of loons and religious fruitcakes, Muslim, Christian and other wise that would try and take advantage of the situation.

originally posted by: Bedlam

originally posted by: crazyewok
Many people are these people, especially the welfare class and my own snowflake generation don’t want to learn, they want easy quick fixes there and then.

Heard one in the store the other day bewailing the idiocy of the doctor she'd gone to see.

He had written her a prescription for her UTI. She had taken the first antibiotic tablet an hour previous and WASN'T BETTER. The charlatan! The utter fool! It DIDN'T WORK. She still burned when she peed, OVER AN HOUR LATER.

Exactly..... I really dont have any hope for a lot of people in any survival situation.


Of course such a situation wont ever be cased by north Korea as I think the USA has a few hidden suprised for the fat little dictator hiden away as we both know

a reply to: Bedlam

Wow. That is just... wow.

To be that ignorant of basic medical and health matters takes dedication in this era. One does not get that way by accident.

originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: Bedlam

Wow. That is just... wow.

To be that ignorant of basic medical and health matters takes dedication in this era. One does not get that way by accident.

It's a microwave cake world, man. Everything is solved in 47 minutes, minus commercial advertisements.

originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: Bedlam

Wow. That is just... wow.

To be that ignorant of basic medical and health matters takes dedication in this era. One does not get that way by accident.

Want to bet?

I am training as Secondary science teacher and I have been some dumbarses and not just the children, there parents are little more than apes.

Remember the average IQ is around 100. That means half the population is below 100.

originally posted by: Bedlam

originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: Bedlam

Wow. That is just... wow.

To be that ignorant of basic medical and health matters takes dedication in this era. One does not get that way by accident.

It's a microwave cake world, man. Everything is solved in 47 minutes, minus commercial advertisements.

Dont forget TV medial dramas where everything is cured in a 1 hour episode minus break.

Glad I'm not in America then or i'd have to hide in a bomb shelter.

a reply to: crazyewok

That may be so, but there is a certain point at which a person cannot be sent to a mainstream school, such is the level of intellectual absence they may express. Therefore, it stands to reason that the average IQ of people in your class room will be markedly higher than the national average over all.

a reply to: mobiusmale
I think most countries can take out the US and any other country with the weapons they have, including the weapons we don't know about . North Korea need to be able to actually perform a successful rocket launch first or they will end up nuking themselves.

originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: crazyewok

That may be so, but there is a certain point at which a person cannot be sent to a mainstream school, such is the level of intellectual absence they may express. Therefore, it stands to reason that the average IQ of people in your class room will be markedly higher than the national average over all.

I would not be so sure on that....

The unfortunate truth is the last labour and this conservative government has screwed up education so much there are not many alternatives to main stream schools and so many that don’t belong there find themselves there and it us teachers that then have to deal with it the best we can. And it not just intellectually challenged students either, we have to deal with plenty of students that are severe mental health problems that need specialised help, in one class I have one poor girl with schizophrenia who see’s people next to her telling her to “stab me and her classmates” , she needs to be in a specialised hospital yet the NHS tell her parents there is no room.

The rule is, as long as they are breathing and havent killed anyone yet they are viable for mainstream classrooms.....

But this is a different topic.

a reply to: crazyewok

Are you telling me that you are teaching kids with an IQ as low as 20?

Because with respect, that cannot be doing anything but harming their education and the education of everyone else in the class room. The sorts of individuals you are talking about here require extremely personalised and unique approaches, based on their neurological and psychological construction, not to mention all manner of actual care issues on top of that. With regard to the schizophrenic child... To have someone who is actually symptomatic at the time, sat in a classroom is INCREDIBLY dangerous for the individual concerned. It must be absolutely terrifying for her! Environment modulation is crucial to calming an agitated mind, and a classroom full of children, who can be absolutely detestable even when they are neurotypical, is not a place which lends itself to that.

originally posted by: TrueBrit


Are you telling me that you are teaching kids with an IQ as low as 20?

Because with respect, that cannot be doing anything but harming their education and the education of everyone else in the class room. The sorts of individuals you are talking about here require extremely personalised and unique approaches, based on their neurological and psychological construction, not to mention all manner of actual care issues on top of that. With regard to the schizophrenic child... To have someone who is actually symptomatic at the time, sat in a classroom is INCREDIBLY dangerous for the individual concerned. It must be absolutely terrifying for her! Environment modulation is crucial to calming an agitated mind, and a classroom full of children, who can be absolutely detestable even when they are neurotypical, is not a place which lends itself to that.

I would not say as low as 20 as they would be barely conscious but in the lower sets I would not be surprised if there are some around the 50 mark as they really can’t take care of themselves and have very limited functions, as it 15 years that have little to no verbal skills. I am not joking when I say alternatives are limited and those that do exist are beyond full.
And yes the poor girl with scizhorpehrina I feel terrible for. The schools even put a complaint in with the local council. She is lucky in a way that the classes she is in do consist of some pretty nice kids (compared to other classes) but still she should not be there.

originally posted by: lSkrewloosel
a reply to: mobiusmale
I think most countries can take out the US and any other country with the weapons they have, including the weapons we don't know about . North Korea need to be able to actually perform a successful rocket launch first or they will end up nuking themselves.

All according to plan. how better to claim deniability than hitting them with their own nuke?

a reply to: hutch622

would have to be one hellof a emp pulse to knock out whole power grid or a bunch of little ones. i feel like this is just smoke blowing and here is why . if they had ability to lob nukes that distance then seoul would be a cinder now, and there army would have invaded the south. if they were fearful of doing that then they might have given one to an us enemy like isis so they couold attack us and nk could say aww thats so sad while snickering in background.

a reply to: mobiusmale



Its kind of ironic to me that the experts worry about the EMP threat from NK as a national security issue, as they should, but
there is little worry that the sun can wipe out our power grid if a strong solar flare hits our hemisphere, which is arguably more likely an event to happen. One good solar flare could fry the north American power grid, yet precious little is said about protecting us from that event by hardening the power grid.

a reply to: openminded2011

Fixing the grid's susceptibility to geomagnetic heave would fix the cme issue and help with the HAND issue.

However, a nuke has many more effects than heave, whereas that's pretty much all you get from a CME.

It can be a bit tougher to shield a power line against prompt phase effects or capacitive coupling of free electrons. A good start for the unfortunate effects of nukes would be to bury them.

a reply to: proteus33

Not really, a cascading failure that left a good portion of the US dark from Ohio to NY was accomplished by a single squirrel that liked chewing on power lines until he was fried. Automation of the plants failed to divert the load fast enough and crashed, placing more load on neighboring stations. Rinse and repeat...

I am a rather competent individual that could almost take the challenge of being stripped naked and dropped anywhere east of the Mississippi and told to avoid contact or rescue for 30 days and make it. But even I know my limitations. Mother Nature is a very harsh chic and prolonged survival situation of one or more years...I put my odds at 40% if I choose to be optimistic. 20-25% if pessimistic. And that is with other human contact sharing resources of food and material.

90% death toll is on the high end, 75-85% is my guess depending on variables of successful shelter in place versus open ranged hunt and gather/scavenging. Not to be political, but look at the county by county map of the 2016 election. Those blue ones are the big cities and hold about 55% of the total population. About 65% of the land mass is inhospitable or of limited resources to sizable populations. Yes, you can walk for coast to coast with just the clothes on your back and thing you pick up along the way but odds are you will die trying. Most people will not cross the Great Plains to die in the desert as you might think.

Total system failure for one or more years would be it. Recovery would be complicated by lack of labor to build new infrastructure as most people would go into survival mode and not future planning mode. Making the task harder.

75-85% death toll is my guess, with a 25-35% recovery to modernized standards in five years. Some places with have more tech than others. I would set the country as a whole to the 1930's after five years with pockets of telephone and indoor plumbing returned or still absent depending on the area.

originally posted by: Bedlam
He lost his last batch of somewhat competent weapons engineers. It's taken him years to almost get back to where he was. Time, maybe, for another mysterious happenstance.

I gotta give Dubya credit, that was an exquisite way to kick the can down the road...but we can only use it so many times before people start questioning the accidental nature of these explosions that conveniently fry all of NK's nuke/missile eggheads every time they start making progress.

a reply to: Tajlakz

True. And you have to worry just a tad about the current keyholder.