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Senate Republicans Just Voted to Kill Internet Privacy

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posted on Mar, 28 2017 @ 07:15 PM
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originally posted by: mOjOm
a reply to: BlueAjah

This isn't talking about the web services you use though. This isn't about Facebook or some social media site you sign up for. This is about your ISP. You're provider. All traffic goes through your provider and your provider has access to information beyond a social networking site or site that you may visit on the web.

They are literally your gateway to the internet right from the start. They are your first link to everything else you do online. They see everything. Not just for what you are doing but anyone else on your connection too. All devices that are using that gateway, everything.


The comparison is because people tell their life story on Facebook. Your background, where you have lived, employment, friends, likes and dislikes, political affiliations, everything you say - is in a database if you are on Facebook.

You can opt-out all you want, but they still have your information. Nothing is private.




posted on Mar, 28 2017 @ 07:15 PM
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LOL, NOW there is concern for privacy.


As for Trump, I will remind the OP that the President does not make the law, so this is not 'thanks to Trump'.
edit on 28/3/2017 by UKTruth because: (no reason given)



posted on Mar, 28 2017 @ 07:15 PM
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a reply to: BlueAjah

And if your insurance company decides to buy your browsing history and finds something they don't like and decide to raise your premium because of it, what then?

This encompasses so many things and is a TOTAL invasion of privacy. What if I don't want my information sold to the highest bidder? Oh well, too bad, it's the law and I have no choice but to accept it. That's BS and you know it. I'm allowed to have my privacy.



posted on Mar, 28 2017 @ 07:18 PM
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a reply to: BlueAjah

Do people post everything they search on the internet on Facebook? If not then your comparison is baseless. I don't know about you but I don't post the type of porn I searched the night before onto my Facebook.



posted on Mar, 28 2017 @ 07:19 PM
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a reply to: UKTruth

It will be, if he signs off on it.



posted on Mar, 28 2017 @ 07:20 PM
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a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

Did you really think it was not already sold?

Even if your ISP did not provide information, the web sites you visit do provide it.
Read the privacy statements of web sites, if they have them. Almost all state that they collect your information, and that by using their web site, you agree to that.
Your information on these web sites include your IP and can include browsing history, if you are allowing cookies.



posted on Mar, 28 2017 @ 07:23 PM
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a reply to: BlueAjah

Oh ok, so since it "may" have been done before that makes it ok to make it legal. Gotcha.

When they legalize video-recording people in the bathroom I'll be sure to set up my camera in your bathroom first.


(I obviously wouldn't really do this btw, just making a point)
edit on 3/28/2017 by 3NL1GHT3N3D1 because: (no reason given)



posted on Mar, 28 2017 @ 07:23 PM
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originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: UKTruth

It will be, if he signs off on it.


Yep, but if you give up some privacy then you lose it all eventually. Sitting quietly for the last two decades (and especially the last 8 years of one of the most intrusive surveillance grids in history) makes complaints now a little too late.



posted on Mar, 28 2017 @ 07:24 PM
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a reply to: BlueAjah

Not everyone is on facebook though. Just because some people want to choose to have all their info out there to be mined doesn't mean everyone else chooses to do that.

But I agree that places like facebook is a data treasure because people put everything out there. That's why I don't use it. Yet just simply having a friend on there who posts a pic with me in it means my life is being logged and tracked because of them to some degree.

But I still minimize my exposure as much as possible. My privacy is not as compromised as others by limiting the amount that is out there that can be traced back to me personally.

So telling me just because some use facebook doesn't matter because I don't use it and that is exactly why. I don't give out my phone or email to some cashier when I go to the store either. I don't give that stuff out freely because I don't want to be data mined like everyone else. That's fine if others are cool with it, but I'm not and I put forth the effort to have my privacy still.

But by having access to your ISP there is nothing you can do about it. From the very first step online they have records of everything you do and everywhere you go. Every search, everything. At that point they don't even need facebook to know what you search for or sites you visit because you're being tracked from start to finish.



posted on Mar, 28 2017 @ 07:26 PM
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You thought you had privacy before this bill!?

If it can be networked it can be hacked.
If it has a point of origin it can be traced.
If it is encrypted it can be un-encrypted.
End users only see what they are meant to see.

Basic rules of the internet since day 0



posted on Mar, 28 2017 @ 07:31 PM
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a reply to: mOjOm

I agree with everything you said, except for saying lack of privacy is ok because some use Facebook. I did not actually say that. I said that I wonder how many who are complaining also use Facebook.

I don't agree with violations of privacy. I just see the reality that privacy on the Internet is hopeless.



posted on Mar, 28 2017 @ 07:32 PM
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a reply to: JinMI

That is such a cop-out. How are you going to feel when they sell YOUR information (good or bad) to someone legally and with impunity without you even knowing about it?

This is like saying "if you have nothing to hide then you have nothing to fear", such a dumb argument.

I guarantee if it were Democrats who signed this bill the same people defending this would be getting their ropes ready to hang people.



posted on Mar, 28 2017 @ 07:32 PM
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originally posted by: JinMI
You thought you had privacy before this bill!?

If it can be networked it can be hacked.
If it has a point of origin it can be traced.
If it is encrypted it can be un-encrypted.
End users only see what they are meant to see.

Basic rules of the internet since day 0


Yes but being hacked is still illegal which means legit companies aren't going to do that. They'd have to break the law and put forth a lot of effort, time and money to get those things and risk being caught doing it. They won't go to that extreme risk. But what they want to do is take out all those things so they don't have to break the law or pay hackers or whatever to get that info. They just lobby government to remove everything that keeps your private info safe.

That's the point.

What's next??? You gonna say it's fine for them to come in your house anytime they want too??? Because they can if they force their way in which means your never 100% safe. But to do that now they'd have to break in and you still have some privacy in your home. Same principles apply here. Personally I'll keep whatever restrictions that keep them out in place rather than just give em up freely.



posted on Mar, 28 2017 @ 07:32 PM
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a reply to: UKTruth

That doesn't change the fact that if he signs it he will have been part of it so you reminding the OP "that the President does not make the law, so this is not 'thanks to Trump'." is wrong.



posted on Mar, 28 2017 @ 07:35 PM
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originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: JinMI

That is such a cop-out. How are you going to feel when they sell YOUR information (good or bad) to someone legally and with impunity without you even knowing about it?

This is like saying "if you have nothing to hide then you have nothing to fear", such a dumb argument.

I guarantee if it were Democrats who signed this bill the same people defending this would be getting their ropes ready to hang people.


Again, do you really think that your information has not already been sold many times over?



posted on Mar, 28 2017 @ 07:35 PM
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originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: JinMI

That is such a cop-out. How are you going to feel when they sell YOUR information (good or bad) to someone legally and with impunity without you even knowing about it?

This is like saying "if you have nothing to hide then you have nothing to fear", such a dumb argument.

I guarantee if it were Democrats who signed this bill the same people defending this would be getting their ropes ready to hang people.


They already have sold info whether you knew about it or not. Do you think Google/FB/Youtube became multi billion dollar corporations because of clicks? You have to provide something.

While I do enjoy my privacy, I'm not ignorant. This is not new.

But hey, go team!!!



posted on Mar, 28 2017 @ 07:35 PM
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a reply to: BlueAjah

I see. Sorry if I implied that.

You're correct to a point too. Although it's not quite hopeless just yet. But we do have to fight for what little privacy we have because they are constantly trying to remove it.

It's a battle that we've been losing ground on for a while. That's why I think it's better to try and stop it now. Hopefully in the future maybe even take some ground back that we've lost too. But you have to at least stop them moving forward before you can hope to push them back.



posted on Mar, 28 2017 @ 07:36 PM
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a reply to: BlueAjah

If it has then I am against it. Making it legal will only exasperate the problem.

Like I said, would you support a bill that allowed people to film you in the bathroom and sell it legally without you knowing it? Same principles apply here.



posted on Mar, 28 2017 @ 07:36 PM
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originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: UKTruth

That doesn't change the fact that if he signs it he will have been part of it so you reminding the OP "that the President does not make the law, so this is not 'thanks to Trump'." is wrong.


Whether Trump signs or not, it does not matter. The previous law was a joke, and only challenged ISP's to find ways to trick people into "agreeing" by not opting out, or otherwise hiding fine print.


edit on 3/28/17 by BlueAjah because: (no reason given)



posted on Mar, 28 2017 @ 07:37 PM
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a reply to: mOjOm

Easy with your strawman Mojo.

No, they wouldn't go to the risk...but they would acquire that information from someone who thought it was worth the risk.



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