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posted on Feb, 8 2005 @ 12:49 AM
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India's LCA Tejas :







The LCA tejas's official website : www.ada.gov.in...

Check out an ATSN thread :
www.abovetopsecret.com...

India has 3 aircraft carriers.

India's Su-30 MKI is second only to the F-22
vayu-sena.tripod.com...

India has stealth warships : news.bbc.co.uk...

India is developing a stealthy tailless fighter MCA .

India is the world's 3rd largest defence spender, maintain's the world;s 2nd largest army at 1.5 million

visit www.bharath-rakshak.com




posted on Feb, 8 2005 @ 09:05 AM
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India is nowhere near the third largest in terms of defence expenditure. This is Europes expenditure, currently Indias expenditure is - $16.73 Billion US

www.iss-eu.org...

The above link is only takes into account the European countries, take into account other countries such as Russia, China, Pakistan etc. etc.

The SU 30 is eclipsed by the Typhoon.

The Indian Navy only operate 1 Aircraft carrier.

The Indian armed forces are'nt going to be a world player for at least 20 years.

Spacemunkey.



posted on Feb, 8 2005 @ 09:27 AM
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And stealth spy many nations have steal ships

This is a list not ranking

1. Type 45, UK
2. Sea Shadow, USA
3. Greek corvete, Greece
4. BGVN High Speed Craft, France
5. Meko A Class, Germany
6. Project 2038.0, Russia
7. Lafayette Class, France
8. Visby Class, Sweden
9. Sea Wraith, UK
10. Smyge, Sweden
11. Qahir Class, Oman/ Bult in UK
12. Littoral Combat Ship (LCS), US
13. DD-21 Zumwait, US
14. USS "Hopper", US

There is also a South African stealth ship which i dont know the name of. So theres at least 15 more stealth ships than the one INdian one.



posted on Feb, 8 2005 @ 09:36 AM
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STealth spy, then there is the JSF-35 which is the worlds mots advanced Multirole fighter. Currently the F-16 is quite a formidible Multirole fighter in use with airforces around the world. I believ the USAF/RAF were also working on a tailess design for the F-16 and JSF.



posted on Feb, 8 2005 @ 12:16 PM
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b]The LCA tejas

its still under development even when developed it will be far beyond an AIR SUPERIORITY Fighter ...I think you know it very well
www.fighter-planes.com...


India has 3 aircraft carriers.
one of them has long been decommissioned
2nd one is at a very bad condition
3rd one is under development under the Russians
NONE of them is INDIGENOUS...here we are not comparing the Strength of Indian Military(India Ranks Among top 6 there I think) here we are comparing the Indigenous technology...India is rising a lot in defense Technology but Its far beyond the Global Leaders(US , Russia, UK , France) ...u being an Indian will know the reason for this very well ...most of ur IIT graduates leave ur country fr US/ UK....very few of them join the DRDO ...had it not been so I bet India would have been lot ahead..... more over India I think is doing a strategic Mistake ....It should have concentrated more on developing Multi functional naval ships rather than buying Aircraft carriers I think it should try to DEVELOP/ BUY military Hovercrafts...could have gone for the Russian Zubr...coz that’s the need of the Hour in case of Lakshadeep n Andamans.....what’s the point of Buying Air craft carrier at this time? Chinese Navy is still far beyond India...moreover think practically .....can India Maintain Its Groskov Carrier?...It failed to do so In case of its earlier carriers

India's Su-30 MKI is second only to the F-22
vayu-sena.tripod.com...
again Su-30 MKI is not Indigenous....though Indians has a little contribution in its development


India has stealth warships : news.bbc.co.uk...
many Inferior nations have it

India is developing a stealthy tailless fighter MCA .
all the Best...but it will take at least 20 years I think.

India is the world's 3rd largest defense spender, maintains the world;s 2nd largest army at 1.5 million
may be ...I don’t know but this thread is about QUALITY of Indigenous Technology not for any quantitative evaluation

visit www.bharath-rakshak.com
the website is a good one but It could have been a more Illustrative .............rather than being subjective.....It takes a lot of time to go through it

moreover I ll Like to know the following info from you(coz u seem to know a lot about Indian War technology)
1 what’s the present situation concerning Agni II ..what's its present Range?.is it indigenous or the Indians have hired some of the technology ?
2 what’s ur comment on Ghauri compared to Agni ?i came to know Pak has bought it from China though they claim it to be Indigenous
3 Has India got her hypersonic trainer Aircrafts from UK? why don’t they ask Russia fr that?
4 how do u compare today's Chinese air force against Indian Air Force?
5 Why is India so much Interested about AirCraft Carriers?Chino-phobia?



posted on Feb, 16 2005 @ 01:20 PM
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I think Russia has some amazing weapons, which is why im always annoyed by people who say "its russian so its obviously low tech and therefore rubbish"

This is sooo not true, Russia might not be the best at everything but neither is anyone else. It has some stunning tech which for the purpose of randomness i will list my favorites below! It also demonstrates why russia deserves some of the top rankings in the listings.
ARENA, Dronzd, Shatora, Kontact-5, Sniper ect, T-80UM1/2, BMPT, Krizantema, Kornet, Krasnopol ect, Iskander, Basalt, Topol, Yakhont, Rif, Klinok, Kashtan, AK-130, S-### ect, Pantsyr, Tor, Buk, Russian Radar in general, Igla, MiG29smt/MKI, Ka-50/Mi-28, Su-47/37 Tu-160 and finally Kusnetsov and kirov classes.
Sorry for making you all endure my ravings i just had to do that



posted on Feb, 16 2005 @ 03:20 PM
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::groans::



I find the idea that Russia has an overall technologically superior air force suspect. If you consider only theoretical performance and ignore operational readiness and training, Russian fighters may comopare favorably with existing US fighters. But the F-22 (which is now operationally ready) is clearly in a league of it's own. Also, the US has a much better bomber force - The B-2 is head and shoulders above any Russian offering, the B-1 is better than it's coutnerparts, as is the B-52. Not to mention robust and combat proven precision munitions.


Ok, I will dispell this myth now. There is nothing wrong with the Russian Air Force, I agree that at current their training is piss poor and there are next to no funds in relation to buying new aircraft or for upgrades, but they are trying.

The Russians still have a VERY capable technology background that includes advanced fighters, that also includes ::SHOCK GHASP HORROR:: a very capable counter to the F/A 22. The person that started this thread based it on technology, who is up there. I personnally feel he was correct in relation to Russian Tech being at the top, all russian technology are developed "in house" unlike the US where the firms can call in support from European/Isreali Aircraft designers or engineers. Russia develops it all, the Mi 26 heavy lift helos, the Mi 8 one of the cheapest and most capable of all the battle field helos, sure it isn't pretty or advanced but it does its job well. Hell there are ones that where on local station near Cheynobl that can still start up!

I must admit the B2 is nice, although saying the bone is better that the russian variants show your lack of knowledge in that area, the TU22 best naval attack aircraft on this planet, still have a soft spot for the Tu 95 bear. The Tu 160 is the best low level fast mover on the planet, its radar system was developed with that in mind, oh and it hasn't had HALF the problems with its defense systems or radar systems that the bone, aka the B1, so for making with a complex strike aircraft designed to be maintained and repaired by low skill farmer turned aircraft tech. Any one that can produce an advanced strike aircraft that can do every thing that western ones could rates VERY highly in my book.

I still would rate the Russian Aircraft technology highly, in some areas in relation to stealth I can see a clear american advantage, UAVs also, but in other areas, the russian bear still have an advantage.

I agree to another comment made, the Swedish Army and Airforce should be quite high, similar to the IAF and the RAF.

- Philip



posted on Feb, 16 2005 @ 07:09 PM
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Originally posted by gooseuk
There is nothing wrong with the Russian Air Force, I agree that at current their training is piss poor and there are next to no funds in relation to buying new aircraft or for upgrades, but they are trying.

whole fleet of Russia's Su-27 air force fighters is subject to the upgraded to Su-27SM

"The Su-27SM exceeds the most modern export works of the Sukhoy firm in its combat effectiveness – the Su-30MKI and Su-30MKK fighters being delivered to India and China"


so, things with RuAF arent that bad as you may think.



posted on Feb, 16 2005 @ 07:35 PM
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Originally posted by prelude
Missile:
1 US/Russia
3 France
4 UK
5 Israel
6 China


Here are some news...


New Russian Topol Missile Makes U.S. Defenses Obsolete — Expert
Created: 10.02.2005 12:12 MSK (GMT +3),
MosNews


Russia has tested a ballistic missile that would render the United States Star Wars scheme useless, a U.S. expert has said.

[color=darkred]The SS-27 Topol-M mobile ballistic missile It is too fast to hit right after takeoff unless the interceptor is lucky enough to be really close to the launch pad, former arms inspector in Iraq Scott Ritter reportedly told Business Week.

According to Ritter, who in the past correctly concluded that Baghdad had no weapons of mass destruction, the [color=darkred]SS-27 is hardened against lasers, so the U.S. defense system’s airborne laser —- a program that is already behind schedule —- wouldn’t work. And because the missile is maneuverable and capable of releasing three warheads and four decoys, it would be much harder to defeat as it falls in the terminal stage of flight.

The U.S. Missile Defense Agency’s spokesman, Rick Lehner, told Business Week that his agency’s goal is to address “the more rudimentary missiles North Korea and Iran are developing.” But the business magazine pointed to the possibility that Tehran and Pyongyang could acquire an SS-27.

“I don’t know about that,” Lehner was quoted as saying


Just for that alone i would kick US to second place and leave Russia #1 alone

fifth regiment of the Topol-M ICBMs became operational Dec. 2004 !










posted on Feb, 16 2005 @ 08:00 PM
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The reason why the Topol missile gets by the laser defence system is because, its a Solid Propellant. Liquid propellant can't get by the ABL.

But, with microwaves coming into view, they will be able to disengage elecronics.



posted on Feb, 16 2005 @ 08:26 PM
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Originally posted by Laxpla
But, with microwaves coming into view, they will be able to disengage elecronics.

to be honest i dont know much about 'microwaves' weapons.

how well do they do against faraday cage?

and IMO, these weapons will only cause Russia to harden its missiles even more....



posted on Feb, 16 2005 @ 09:29 PM
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Originally posted by titus

Originally posted by Laxpla
But, with microwaves coming into view, they will be able to disengage elecronics.

to be honest i dont know much about 'microwaves' weapons.

how well do they do against faraday cage?

and IMO, these weapons will only cause Russia to harden its missiles even more....


Excellent, but can you read this?




The most effective method is to wholly contain the equipment in an electrically conductive enclosure, termed a Faraday cage, which prevents the electromagnetic field from gaining access to the protected equipment. However, most such equipment must communicate with and be fed with power from the outside world, and this can provide entry points via which electrical transients may enter the enclosure and effect damage. While optical fibres address this requirement for transferring data in and out, electrical power feeds remain an ongoing vulnerability.





Where an electrically conductive channel must enter the enclosure, electromagnetic arresting devices must be fitted. A range of devices exist, however care must be taken in determining their parameters to ensure that they can deal with the rise time and strength of electrical transients produced by electromagnetic devices. Reports from the US [9] indicate that hardening measures attuned to the behaviour of nuclear EMP bombs do not perform well when dealing with some conventional microwave electromagnetic device designs.







www.ncoic.com...





HPM weapons would be single-use and could be delivered on almost any a cruise missile or unmanned aircraft. Future devices are likely to be re-usable.

Military planners will be particularly interested in claimed ability of HPM weapon's to penetrate bunkers buried deep underground by using service pipes, cables or ducts to transmit the spike. Insulating equipment from such spikes, for example by using Faraday cages, is believed to be very difficult and expensive.



www.newscientist.com...



posted on Feb, 16 2005 @ 10:48 PM
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This is how i think it looks.

Airforce

1. USA (F-22, B-2 nuff said)

2. Russia

3. France (Tiger and Rafale give it a small edge over the UK i think)

4. UK

5. Sweden (the JAS 39 is underrated)

Land Forces

1. Russia

2. USA

3. UK

4. France

5. China

Naval Forces

1. USA

2. France (carriers with Ralafe fighters is damn potent as well as their nuclear Subs with missiles that can hit a target up to 11 000 km away from the launch location)

3. UK

4. Russia (2nd most powerful because of size but aging tech wise)

5. China

[edit on 16-2-2005 by Trent]



posted on Feb, 20 2005 @ 11:51 AM
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china dosent desderve any position in the list as far as indiginious technology is concerned .....they take it all from russia...I think India has a better indiginioue tech n deserves the 3rd position



posted on Feb, 20 2005 @ 11:56 AM
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Air force
1 Russia
2 USA
3 UK
4 France
5 China
Does any other country has its own COMPETENT indigenous aircraft?



I would say that Sweden has it's own competent indigenous designs Like the SAAB J.29 Gripen Which is a wonderful fighter. SAAB aircraft have been exported to other Scandanavian countries for years.



posted on Feb, 28 2005 @ 09:26 AM
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Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear
And stealth spy many nations have steal ships

This is a list not ranking

1. Type 45, UK
2. Sea Shadow, USA
3. Greek corvete, Greece
4. BGVN High Speed Craft, France
5. Meko A Class, Germany
6. Project 2038.0, Russia
7. Lafayette Class, France
8. Visby Class, Sweden
9. Sea Wraith, UK
10. Smyge, Sweden
11. Qahir Class, Oman/ Bult in UK
12. Littoral Combat Ship (LCS), US
13. DD-21 Zumwait, US
14. USS "Hopper", US


Missed one: CVX-78, USA (still being Built)

Tim
ATS Director of Counter-Ignorance



posted on Feb, 28 2005 @ 10:14 AM
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In terms of tec hbeing indigenous..yes china is above India..but c'mon .."indigenous tech" by no means is a direct measure of military prowess..
The Indians have been known to "squeeze" the very best out russian tech.
Infact the reasons stated by the USAF for the "loss" in Cope India included:

1. deviation of standard soviet tactics in A2A combat..
2. Improvisation and versatility in strategies observed on a "real-time" basis as per the demand of each mission sortie..A characteristic not shown by the soviets, who tend to stick to a fixed preset of flgithts tactics..

That is why many countries requested IAF flight instructors for Russian aircraft (along with russian instructors of course)..
Iraq, Nigeria, Botswana, Ghana, Egypt..
Point to be noted is that PAF instructors were requested as well by these countries, implying that the IAF and the PAF were the better operators of Russian/British and US hardware respectively...

so IMO the IN is much more potent than the PLAN (as of now) and the IAF is also just as potent as the PLAAF if not more..

[edit on 28-2-2005 by Daedalus3]



posted on Feb, 28 2005 @ 11:41 AM
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The french nuclear carrier is often called complete engineering failure, and it is the only one who can carry rafale fighters. Others can just carry etendards and crusaders. I think that the british carriers are better, even with just harriers that have been proven to be useful as fighters in falkland war. In case of a bigger war british would upgrade them to super harriers(now not enough budget, way not enough) used by USMC. While normal harrier is good in dogfight but not BVR combat, Super Harrier is good at both cause it can carry 2 AIM-120.



posted on Mar, 4 2005 @ 01:49 PM
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Can you give me a site with information on the 'Super Harrier', I've never found information on an upgraded version of the Harrier Jump Jet, being used by anyone before.

Thank you,
Odium.

[edit on 4-3-2005 by Odium]




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