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Has there ever been a real pedophile ring???

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posted on Mar, 29 2017 @ 09:40 AM
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originally posted by: theruthlessone
Seems to me this Joshua guy is just trolling.... plenty of links to pedophile " rings " has been provided that you are just dismissing so I'm calling you a troll...

Sick topic to troll on too might I add



And only one has actually been a pedophile ring..

The one from Portugal...

The rest have been , most likely legit child abuse and sex crimes, but not a ring..

The Portugal story with multiple elite politicians checking out children from a orphanage is a pedophile ring..

A child porn ring is not...

A single case is not..

A prolific single bill cosby type child rapist is not..




posted on Mar, 29 2017 @ 09:44 AM
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Hey OP.

I just read about a "Pedophile Society" that the dutch had. (I'm guessing just went underground)

Would that not be a Pedophile Ring?

Personally, I don't know why you are being so anal about the label. It saddens me that you are, because it almost seems like your defensive.

(I am not meaning defensive in a personal attack kind of way, but a dismissive, naive kind of way.)
edit on 29-3-2017 by chiefsmom because: clarify



posted on Mar, 29 2017 @ 10:03 AM
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a reply to: JoshuaCox

And only one has actually been a pedophile ring.. The one from Portugal... The rest have been , most likely legit child abuse and sex crimes, but not a ring..


paedophile/pedophile ring
noun [ C ] UK US pedophile ring uk ​ /ˈpiː.də.faɪl ˌrɪŋ/ us ​ /ˈped.oʊ.faɪl ˌrɪŋ/

a group of people who take part in illegal sexual activity involving children


Joshua, your motives are being questioned because some of us are having trouble understanding just what you are looking for. Help us out here. I am confused to exactly what is troubling you at this point.

According to the Cambridge Dictionary, and almost all other dictionaries, a pedophile ring is a group of people involved in illegal sexual activity involving children.

Almost every example that has been presented, fits that description but you continue to dismiss them. Is it that you disagree with the definition, or are you saying that you don't believe that illegal sexual activity can occur in a group?



posted on Mar, 29 2017 @ 10:22 AM
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a reply to: butcherguy

No it is a big site, and you were replying and already had the address...

I'm reading it now if it works.



posted on Mar, 29 2017 @ 10:34 AM
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originally posted by: NightSkyeB4Dawn
a reply to: JoshuaCox

And only one has actually been a pedophile ring.. The one from Portugal... The rest have been , most likely legit child abuse and sex crimes, but not a ring..


paedophile/pedophile ring
noun [ C ] UK US pedophile ring uk ​ /ˈpiː.də.faɪl ˌrɪŋ/ us ​ /ˈped.oʊ.faɪl ˌrɪŋ/

a group of people who take part in illegal sexual activity involving children


Joshua, your motives are being questioned because some of us are having trouble understanding just what you are looking for. Help us out here. I am confused to exactly what is troubling you at this point.

According to the Cambridge Dictionary, and almost all other dictionaries, a pedophile ring is a group of people involved in illegal sexual activity involving children.

Almost every example that has been presented, fits that description but you continue to dismiss them. Is it that you disagree with the definition, or are you saying that you don't believe that illegal sexual activity can occur in a group?




I've already explained my motivation..

With the pizza gate stuff and Alex Jones apology yesterday, it made me wonder how many documented pizza gate type events had actually occurred..

Then when I googled pedophile ring, all the top searches I checked were talking about child porn internet rings.. and there was no wiki page with a list.


That led me to wonder if the kinda pedophile ring (I think) the average my person envisions has actually happened..

That being a child rape version of a drug, dog fighting or prostitution ring..

Espeacially one ran by those in ubber powerful positions where they could actually pull off the inferstructure required.

You know, exactly as pizzagate was sold..

Thus I posted here to what other people had seen.

From there for the first few pages of what was a fairly fast moving thread, all I saw posted was media sites using "child pedophile ring busted" as clickbait to describe the full gambit of sex crimes , a really prolific cosby type child rapist or just the supposed world wide guesstimations on human trafficking. ..

None of those are a child version of a prostitution ring led by the rich and powerful...AKA a pizza gate.

As I have stated at least 3 or 4 times, the Portugal event some one posted DOES fit that bill to a Tee.

The vast majority of replies did not.



posted on Mar, 29 2017 @ 10:39 AM
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originally posted by: chiefsmom
Hey OP.

I just read about a "Pedophile Society" that the dutch had. (I'm guessing just went underground)

Would that not be a Pedophile Ring?

Personally, I don't know why you are being so anal about the label. It saddens me that you are, because it almost seems like your defensive.

(I am not meaning defensive in a personal attack kind of way, but a dismissive, naive kind of way.)



Seems like the media is creating a click bait scare tactic similar to the satanic cult scare of the 80s..

When people hear about a pedophile ring, imho most people think of an adult version of a prostitution ring or dog fighting ring.

Yet when you google pedophile ring, the vast majority of the stories(I saw) were not even close to that.. I don't doubt most are legit sex crimes, but is a child porn internet group what people envision when they hear pediphile ring, or do they think of something the way pizza gate was sold??

Personally I think of something like a pizza gate..

Not one celeb who used his influence to molest dozens of kids and people ignored his actions or the other things sold as such.



posted on Mar, 29 2017 @ 10:41 AM
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originally posted by: NightSkyeB4Dawn
a reply to: JoshuaCox

And only one has actually been a pedophile ring.. The one from Portugal... The rest have been , most likely legit child abuse and sex crimes, but not a ring..


paedophile/pedophile ring
noun [ C ] UK US pedophile ring uk ​ /ˈpiː.də.faɪl ˌrɪŋ/ us ​ /ˈped.oʊ.faɪl ˌrɪŋ/

a group of people who take part in illegal sexual activity involving children


Joshua, your motives are being questioned because some of us are having trouble understanding just what you are looking for. Help us out here. I am confused to exactly what is troubling you at this point.

According to the Cambridge Dictionary, and almost all other dictionaries, a pedophile ring is a group of people involved in illegal sexual activity involving children.

Almost every example that has been presented, fits that description but you continue to dismiss them. Is it that you disagree with the definition, or are you saying that you don't believe that illegal sexual activity can occur in a group?




Do you think that is the definition the vast majority of people envision when they hear about a pedo ring being busted???

Or do you think the average person envisions a pizza gate.



posted on Mar, 29 2017 @ 12:25 PM
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a reply to: JoshuaCox

Do you think that is the definition the vast majority of people envision when they hear about a pedo ring being busted??? Or do you think the average person envisions a pizza gate.

I guess it depends on where you stand and how much you know. I know way more than I ever hoped to know, and after spending a few hours with a child that has fallen victim to this crime, your thoughts may change a bit.

The first mistake I think you are making is thinking that pedophile rings all have to be some gigantic operation with star players.You will have to just trust me on this, but the size of the operation has little to do with the number of children that are abused or destroyed.

Take a look at the fly by nights that move from event to event, any place where there my be a bunch of guys that are from out of town, that think they can give into their wanton desires, faceless, and able to disappear, after the event is over.

I believe your view of a pedophile ring has been distorted by the media. There are men of wealth and power that make contractual arrangements with high level and sometimes high profile Sirs and Madams, that provide for their clients particular taste. These people did not get where they are in life by being stupid, honest, or by advertising their perversions to the common public. Depending on the services being supplied the client, this could fix comfortably into the definition of a ring.

The kingpins that run pedophile rings are not stationary. Any list found on the internet identifying existing pedophile rings will not be made to the public. The goal is to save the children and to shut those operations down. Advertising the who, how, and whys of the operations does not make that happen.

I think I understand now. You think that pedophile rings don't exist because you believe that PG was a made up thing. Well, PG may have been a made up name, and they may have gotten the name of some of the players wrong, but the activities and the crimes that make up the tale of PG are very real.

I think you are looking at the tail of an elephant and dismissing the rest of the animal, because you found out you where not holding a snake.

Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. Crimes regarding pedophilia are very prevalent and if you are willing to dismiss all because one case does not fit neatly into your perceived vision, than you are throwing a lot of children out to be victimized.



posted on Mar, 29 2017 @ 01:20 PM
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originally posted by: NightSkyeB4Dawn
a reply to: JoshuaCox

Do you think that is the definition the vast majority of people envision when they hear about a pedo ring being busted??? Or do you think the average person envisions a pizza gate.

I guess it depends on where you stand and how much you know. I know way more than I ever hoped to know, and after spending a few hours with a child that has fallen victim to this crime, your thoughts may change a bit.

The first mistake I think you are making is thinking that pedophile rings all have to be some gigantic operation with star players.You will have to just trust me on this, but the size of the operation has little to do with the number of children that are abused or destroyed.

Take a look at the fly by nights that move from event to event, any place where there my be a bunch of guys that are from out of town, that think they can give into their wanton desires, faceless, and able to disappear, after the event is over.

I believe your view of a pedophile ring has been distorted by the media. There are men of wealth and power that make contractual arrangements with high level and sometimes high profile Sirs and Madams, that provide for their clients particular taste. These people did not get where they are in life by being stupid, honest, or by advertising their perversions to the common public. Depending on the services being supplied the client, this could fix comfortably into the definition of a ring.

The kingpins that run pedophile rings are not stationary. Any list found on the internet identifying existing pedophile rings will not be made to the public. The goal is to save the children and to shut those operations down. Advertising the who, how, and whys of the operations does not make that happen.

I think I understand now. You think that pedophile rings don't exist because you believe that PG was a made up thing. Well, PG may have been a made up name, and they may have gotten the name of some of the players wrong, but the activities and the crimes that make up the tale of PG are very real.

I think you are looking at the tail of an elephant and dismissing the rest of the animal, because you found out you where not holding a snake.

Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. Crimes regarding pedophilia are very prevalent and if you are willing to dismiss all because one case does not fit neatly into your perceived vision, than you are throwing a lot of children out to be victimized.




I never said pedo rings do not exist...almost everything , not against the laws of physics that we can imagine exists..

Just like I'm sure you've had literally one or two small groups of people actually being a Hollywood horror movie satanic cult..

But that is not a satanic cult in every major city in the US..nor on every corner..nor even remotely in the top few courses of investigation if when a person goes missing or is murdered..

Im starting to worry the conspiracy crowd has people looking for these grand scale pedo rings , while ignoring the 12 year old next door being abused by their step parent..

When in reality those cases are on every corner and a thousand times over in every small city..

"But those are obviously the "little fish " compared to hillary clintons super secret elite, blackmail , pizza parlor pedo ring.."



Like That's the real threat to look for..

It's outrage media that is drawing attention away from legit issues in our own back yards..

Plus a healthy dose of disgust for people who would falsely accuse random people (even celebrities) of being child rapists over some BS news website that has never once fired some one for lying..

. I'll go back to reading...lol



posted on Mar, 29 2017 @ 01:31 PM
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a reply to: NightSkyeB4Dawn

The reason for the thread in the first place was an honest curiousity of how many confirmable times this kinda thing has actually occurred..

What percent of the problem of child molestation in the US is from pedo rings as I'm defining them , including smaller groups without a bigwig involved???

Maybe 2%????

MAYBE 2% and I think I'm being generous there..

Now what percent of media and even regular conversation coverage do super secret pizza gate type pedo rings get??

Where is the average lay person's attention being going to actually help the problem??



posted on Mar, 30 2017 @ 01:16 AM
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originally posted by: JoshuaCox

originally posted by: Barliman

originally posted by: JoshuaCox
Ok to start let's set the definition for a pedophile ring..


For the point of this discussion , let's define a pedophile ring as a group of people who recruit or purchase children for the purpose of using them for in person sex. Where you have multiple offenders (let's say.. more than 10 people ) with more than ten victims being passed around..



Joshua, the problem here is that your definition of pedophile ring is not the accepted one:
dictionary.cambridge.org...
Defn: A group of people who take part in illegal sexual activity involving children.

You have been given plenty of examples that meet both the agreed definition and your own.
The passing around of victims usually occurs by passing them between sites.

This is an area where we all need to be very careful as if we encounter say child porn on the internet we are probably at risk of prosecution if we do not report it- one surely would be in Australia.
So definitions count.

The reports I have heard (sorry can't give reference state that 11,000 of Britain's 65,000 prison inmates are in for pedophilia related crimes.


That maybe the dictionary definition but when we refer to a prostitution ring , we are not talking about one pimp with two hookers..

When we are referring to a dog fighting ring, we are not referring to one guy who brings a couple friends over to watch his personal dogs fight..

A guy who picks up a little extra pot for his bday when he gets some, would not be considered a drug ring.


Don't get me wrong..

A single instance of child molestation isn't really any better than if pizza gate were actually real, but let's make sure we are actually taking about the same thing rather than using "pedophile ring" as a click bait stand in for every sexual crime commited on a child.


If you look I posted multiple examples that have resulted in multiple arrests. The dictionary definition stands- as that is the one that is going to be legally influential.

The examples you give are all cases of reductio ad absurdem, a technique used by sophists to avoid debating facts they dont like.

Nobody is saying that every sexual crime committed on a child qualifies as a pedophile ring.

The questions raised about the actions of the Clinton administration Party appratchiks are very serious and need to be investigated fully. That is not click bait.



posted on Mar, 30 2017 @ 01:24 AM
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originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: NightSkyeB4Dawn

The reason for the thread in the first place was an honest curiousity of how many confirmable times this kinda thing has actually occurred..

What percent of the problem of child molestation in the US is from pedo rings as I'm defining them , including smaller groups without a bigwig involved???

Maybe 2%????

MAYBE 2% and I think I'm being generous there..

Now what percent of media and even regular conversation coverage do super secret pizza gate type pedo rings get??

Where is the average lay person's attention being going to actually help the problem??



Simple - these crimes are usually covered up (whether big organised rings or individual bent priests. Those cover ups have been successful because the weight of political pressure has prevented the police from adequately investigating the matter.

If the media is not going to properly cover the matter then direct action is needed- remember that personal action is part of being a citizen in a democracy.

Remember that the priveleged media owners have many friendships in common with some of the politicians who have been involved in these behaviours, and they will protect their friends even if they have no personal involvement.

Involvement of individual citizens can have great results. In Australia we have many great examples of citizen activism:
We got the vote for women virtually before any country.
It was citizen activism that gave full rights to our indigenous people.
It got us out of that ridiculous Vietnam War and ended the Draft.
It saved The Franklin Gordon Rivers from being dammed- and that area is one of the last great wildernesses left on the planet.



posted on Mar, 30 2017 @ 07:08 AM
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originally posted by: Barliman

originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: NightSkyeB4Dawn

The reason for the thread in the first place was an honest curiousity of how many confirmable times this kinda thing has actually occurred..

What percent of the problem of child molestation in the US is from pedo rings as I'm defining them , including smaller groups without a bigwig involved???

Maybe 2%????

MAYBE 2% and I think I'm being generous there..

Now what percent of media and even regular conversation coverage do super secret pizza gate type pedo rings get??

Where is the average lay person's attention being going to actually help the problem??



Simple - these crimes are usually covered up (whether big organised rings or individual bent priests. Those cover ups have been successful because the weight of political pressure has prevented the police from adequately investigating the matter.

If the media is not going to properly cover the matter then direct action is needed- remember that personal action is part of being a citizen in a democracy.

Remember that the priveleged media owners have many friendships in common with some of the politicians who have been involved in these behaviours, and they will protect their friends even if they have no personal involvement.

Involvement of individual citizens can have great results. In Australia we have many great examples of citizen activism:
We got the vote for women virtually before any country.
It was citizen activism that gave full rights to our indigenous people.
It got us out of that ridiculous Vietnam War and ended the Draft.
It saved The Franklin Gordon Rivers from being dammed- and that area is one of the last great wildernesses left on the planet.



You missed the entire point..

The publics attention is finite.. every second spent chasing down a BS pizza gate type pedo ring that prob doesn't even exist, is a second that might could have gone tward the real life child abuse case from your next door neighbor..

99.99999999% of us will never encounter anything like a pizza gate..

ALL OF US will likely encounter some child being abused by a step parent.



posted on Mar, 30 2017 @ 07:10 AM
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originally posted by: Barliman

originally posted by: JoshuaCox

originally posted by: Barliman

originally posted by: JoshuaCox
Ok to start let's set the definition for a pedophile ring..


For the point of this discussion , let's define a pedophile ring as a group of people who recruit or purchase children for the purpose of using them for in person sex. Where you have multiple offenders (let's say.. more than 10 people ) with more than ten victims being passed around..



Joshua, the problem here is that your definition of pedophile ring is not the accepted one:
dictionary.cambridge.org...
Defn: A group of people who take part in illegal sexual activity involving children.

You have been given plenty of examples that meet both the agreed definition and your own.
The passing around of victims usually occurs by passing them between sites.

This is an area where we all need to be very careful as if we encounter say child porn on the internet we are probably at risk of prosecution if we do not report it- one surely would be in Australia.
So definitions count.

The reports I have heard (sorry can't give reference state that 11,000 of Britain's 65,000 prison inmates are in for pedophilia related crimes.


That maybe the dictionary definition but when we refer to a prostitution ring , we are not talking about one pimp with two hookers..

When we are referring to a dog fighting ring, we are not referring to one guy who brings a couple friends over to watch his personal dogs fight..

A guy who picks up a little extra pot for his bday when he gets some, would not be considered a drug ring.


Don't get me wrong..

A single instance of child molestation isn't really any better than if pizza gate were actually real, but let's make sure we are actually taking about the same thing rather than using "pedophile ring" as a click bait stand in for every sexual crime commited on a child.


If you look I posted multiple examples that have resulted in multiple arrests. The dictionary definition stands- as that is the one that is going to be legally influential.

The examples you give are all cases of reductio ad absurdem, a technique used by sophists to avoid debating facts they dont like.

Nobody is saying that every sexual crime committed on a child qualifies as a pedophile ring.

The questions raised about the actions of the Clinton administration Party appratchiks are very serious and need to be investigated fully. That is not click bait.


People who falsely accuse people of child rape over BS conspiracy sites are disgusting human beings, not crusaders for a worthy cause...



posted on Mar, 30 2017 @ 07:29 AM
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Yes, you better believe pedophile rings exist, although I also believe that it gets thrown around in conspiracy circles, and too often too many nut jobs see pedo rings where none exist, especially by some elements in the right.

But you can bet your bottom dollar these sick f*#@s exist. But first, we my clarify things.

I disagree strongly with what you consider not to be pedo rings. Some examples:

1: A guy who passes his kids around to his other sick perverts does indeed, constitute, a pedo ring. This very thing happened to my mother and her sisters when they were young. Their stepfather sexually abused them, and his fellow perverts would throw parties where kids were passed amongst sickos like party favors. Thats a pedo ring.

2. Child porn sites are also pedo rings, because in order to collect, make, and distribute child porn without getting caught or activating the radars of police, it requires organized criminal co9nspiracies, not just for the makers, but consumers. Thus, they count as "rings" in ever sense of the word.

3. Anytime you have a number of people involved in criminal activity working together clandestinely to commit illegal acts amongst themselves, and engage in illicit trade, it constitutes as a ring.

While I agree the pedo ring card gets flashed around excessively at every scary possible conspiracy, this does not change the fact that pedophilia rings not only exist, but are diminished and trivialized by spurious claims.



posted on Mar, 30 2017 @ 07:53 AM
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originally posted by: NightSkyeB4Dawn
a reply to: JoshuaCox

And only one has actually been a pedophile ring.. The one from Portugal... The rest have been , most likely legit child abuse and sex crimes, but not a ring..


paedophile/pedophile ring
noun [ C ] UK US pedophile ring uk ​ /ˈpiː.də.faɪl ˌrɪŋ/ us ​ /ˈped.oʊ.faɪl ˌrɪŋ/

a group of people who take part in illegal sexual activity involving children


Joshua, your motives are being questioned because some of us are having trouble understanding just what you are looking for. Help us out here. I am confused to exactly what is troubling you at this point.

According to the Cambridge Dictionary, and almost all other dictionaries, a pedophile ring is a group of people involved in illegal sexual activity involving children.

Almost every example that has been presented, fits that description but you continue to dismiss them. Is it that you disagree with the definition, or are you saying that you don't believe that illegal sexual activity can occur in a group?


Yes.
Child pornography is illegal.
And there have been many cases of groups trading child porn.
This thread is a joke, and the subject is not a laughing matter. The thread should be closed down. If pizza threads were closed down, this one should be closed also.
I'm out of here.
edit on b000000312017-03-30T07:54:31-05:0007America/ChicagoThu, 30 Mar 2017 07:54:31 -0500700000017 by butcherguy because: (no reason given)




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