Health Care solution!

originally posted by: BELIEVERpriest
a reply to: one4all

All of that has to be done. Its not a matter of "if", but "when". The modern American culture, diet, and and mentality is completely unsustainable. The tax burden of socialized medicine is unsustainable. The economic burden of Cronyism, poisoning the free market, is unsustainable....

Americans have to choose;

Take responsibility for their own actions, decisions, liberty, lives and health, or face a crash that will take down millions of lives. One way or another, equilibrium will be restored, and I promise you that nature does not care how it is attained.

So America can keep arguing politics until the last nail is hammered into the coffin, or she can wake up.

Its that simple.

America does not stand alone on any of her Battlefields in her drive to remediate and heal and begin to grow again.....the entire world and all of Humanity are by proxy in this ongoing Global war against TPTB ....IMHO these are GLOBAL PROFIT PYRAMIDS....... and they impact every country on the planet concurrently...same group same templates same timeframes........wherever you are on this Planet this is a WE issue.....just like supporting the Mexican Freedon Wall is a WE ISSUE....a Global concern......cornering the Mexican Gangs running the Country and helping the Mexican People pick them off one by one and right their National ship...it helps us all...globally.

I agree we all have housekeeping to do right in our own backyards....but its ok....it a WE ISSUE.

The solution is getting government out of healthcare as much as possible. All the problems with healthcare are due to government distorting the marketplace.

a reply to: one4all

Well if there was no profit no one would do it. However, the co op system lets the patient shop for a cheaper doctor if needed.

originally posted by: Edumakated
The solution is getting government out of healthcare as much as possible. All the problems with healthcare are due to government distorting the marketplace.

Litigation con-job dynmics....engineered non-majority wish legislation....machined and manipulated Insurance culpability and consequence....Licensing con-jobs connected to the above attatching fiat value to now almost worthless designations .......all of these things must be changed IMHO....and I think it will take a Government run restructuring to adjust these major roadblocks to progress....because they are all Global profit pyramids for TPTB....and the global Cabal PROFITS FROM COUNTRIES WHO SUFFER.

Only Countries with strong stalwart bold governments can battle a global Cabal ....as IMHO is being done now.

a reply to: one4all

Totally agree that a doctor is not required in most cases to diagnose and treat many situations. When I go with my husband to his doctor, after 20 years of treating my husband the doctor always asks me what my diagnosis and treatment suggestions are. He tells my husband that if I could write prescriptions, we would only on very rare occasions even need to see the doctor.

It is outrageous to have to pay the insane costs of an office visit just to get a prescription for something simple. I do not need a CAT scan or MRI to tell me I have a migraine... I`ve had them all my life. But to have to go to the doctor once a month just to get a prescription written is obscene.

Remove the laws governing access to prescription meds ... making them over the counter and making a patient sign for them (like they do now with real decongestants) would be logical and a huge money saver. A PDR is not difficult to read and understand.

Prestige and pride trump profit if societal staus quos say so.

Seperate prestige pride and profit.

Bottom line to me is .....as I said.....the tangible value of a Medical degree today is not what it used to be.....anyone can do it with Google and Youtube and....... acess to materials and tools....all unfortunately Cabal profit pyramids which are denied to the masses.

I can dignose and fix my car using online resources because I can find tangible resources to action this ....I can diagnose myself but not fix myself because I am denied resources.

Knowledge is power and power is profit.....once the true knowledge is avilable to the masses as it is today....all fiat value of the past is dissolved by proxy...and we begin to find the true natural value of people...Drs for instance become elite communicators and sensitive empaths ...more like in the distant past.......surrendering their fiat hold on individual value....and finding new value and prestige in their new roles....soon a different breed of person will strive to be a Dr......the cerebral template of olde is now less than optimal...memory is less important than intuition empathy and seamless understanding verbage and communication.

How can one Dr. be more rich than another unless he simply works more hours...full stop.....if one becomes richer than another any other way...well there is graft and subterfuge in play.

Medicare for everyone with chronic health conditions.

Medicaid for those who cannot afford Medicare.

Free-Market private insurance for everyone else.

Model of simplicity - Problem solved.

a reply to: avgguy

I want that too, but the whores in congress wont support single payer.

a reply to: carewemust


That's a good plan. Its too easy and simple for the congressional whores who are bought and paid for by the health and insurance industry to protect their money

originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: Willtell

The problem is the insurance companies.. which is why we are the only modern country that allows them to middleman their entire medical industry..

They are not even preforming a medical function and they are taking 25% of every dollar spent on healcare as their profits...

Taking care of the really sick and elderly is never gonna be profitable..

The health insurance industry is actually regulated to the point that their profit margin is 2% per insured... they are not allowed more, by law.

If you add additional risks to the pool, you have more expenditures. Thus, everyone's premiums go up to cover the losses.

No, it's not the percentage of profit the insurance companies were drooling over. That's the same. What they wanted was a forced purchaser, on the 10's of millions level. Which they got.

What I would like is a medical industry that is paid for outcomes. I would also like one that I could pay directly... I don't need an insurance company to incur a bill and arrange to pay it. They are just another level of bureaucracy making money off of me for a function that I can do for myself, tyvm.

An opinion, as always.

a reply to: one4all

The world is not going to join together and fix itself. You go to the land with the most liberty and hope for the best. Right now, thats probably America, though who knows for how much longer.

a reply to: GreyScale

The health care industry itself is too expensive. That needs to be studied why they allow that.

The US spends the most money and is the worst, at the bottom of Industrial countries.

Healthcare in the U.S. costs about twice as much as it does in any other developed country. If the $3 trillion U.S. healthcare sector were ranked as a country, it would be the world’s fifth largest economy according to “Consumer Reports." The cost of this huge financial burden to every household because of lost wages, higher premiums and taxes plus additional out-of-pocket expenses is more than $8,000. Even with all this money being spent on healthcare, the World Health Organization ranked the U.S. thirty-seventh in healthcare systems, and The Commonwealth Fund placed the U.S. last among the top 11 industrialized countries in overall healthcare.

www.investopedia.com...

The Bottom Line
Most other developed countries control costs, in part, by having the government play a stronger role in negotiating prices for healthcare. Their healthcare systems don’t require the high administrative costs that drive up pricing in the U.S. As the global overseers of their country's systems, these governments have the ability to negotiate lower drug, medical equipment and hospital costs. They can influence the mix of treatments used and patients’ ability to go to specialists or seek more expensive treatments.

So far in the U.S., there has been a lack of political support for the government taking a larger role in controlling healthcare costs. The most recent legislation, the Affordable Care Act, focused on ensuring access to healthcare, but maintained the status quo to encourage competition among insurers and healthcare providers. This means there will be multiple payers for the services and less powerful control over negotiated pricing from providers of healthcare services.

So there you go folks its got to be the government that does it or IT WONT GET DONE.


There is not one free market health care system in the entire world. IT DOESNT WORK

The US plays the stupid game of trying to keep Health care " free market" as much as possible so millions GO WITHOUT HEALTH CARE and costs stay up.

originally posted by: BELIEVERpriest
a reply to: one4all

The world is not going to join together and fix itself. You go to the land with the most liberty and hope for the best. Right now, thats probably America, though who knows for how much longer.

The world is already joining together and beginning to fix itself....its called the internet.

There is nowhere to hide...global issues are WE ISSUES.......these are global issues IMHO.

Liberty is an illusion unless it is Global.

I mean we all see things differently....lol...I am reading people discuss insurance profit margins in an attempt to MARGINALISE the Cabal Profit Pyramid the entire Insurance Industry represents.......lol.......its not the 2% profit the insurance company makes....it is the spoke in the Cabal wheel Insurance represents and the peripheral impacts and controls and proxy directives the Insurance Industy can generate which the Cabal can use genericlly.Prices inflated by inhouse policys supported by sucessfull litigations by poxy guided by INSURANCE COMPANIES and their lawyers...and the collusional judges and sympathetic legeslations in place they deal with.

Its like the 1000 dollar widget story.....it takes 1 dollar to create a widget at source......and the widget is sold for 75 cents at destination.......but it costs both ends 998.25 in transparent fiat inflationary shipping et al costs to make it and move it and place it globally......and the CABAL reaps the 998.25 in profit.Double ending the energy/transport/logistics side of the equation.

This is what a for profit membership practice can do with cost without insurance and subsequent price transparency.

Free Market Pricing

There is a similar run hospital in OK that is very low for surgical services that does not charge for complications, if any, try that at any hospital taking insurance. They have incentive to make sure outcomes are good or they lose money, Insurance hospitals don't as they just bill even more.

Surgery Center

If I had an ATS bullhorn it'd be max volume to tell everyone that the entire medical industry is breaking USC15 Chapter 1 and most if not all State consumer laws.

Uphold them = 85% reduction by having costs go from 20% GDP back to longstanding 3% GDP

The costs listed in link are not a lark, they what's possible tomorrow without any new legislation.

As I mentioned above, this is a FOR PROFIT business running right now.

a reply to: Willtell

i've said this time and time again. it is useless to try and use insurance as a means for health care for everyone so long as the cost of medical,and big pharma(including the manufacturers of equipment) are like they are.

all three should be regulated, just as utilities are. the insane profits they make and strive for will always drive the cost up even when their costs drops.
also it's not just the big stuff, all the little incidentals just because it says medical grade the price shoots up.

a example of this, here in fl where i live one of the power companies wanted to raise the fix rate( the price just for having power at your house not what you use) over double from 18 to 50 dollars, the florida public service commission held hearings and agreement was reached and the rate hike came to just about 7 bucks.

example for cost of equipment use, take a MRI, or any expensive machine, i say MRI because of the one i had.sure they cost up to millions of dollars. but when you run any where from 10 to 20 people or more a day at anywhere from 400 to 5000 dollars depending on which procedure is done, then plus the cost of a doctor, sometimes multiple doctors reading it and writing reports to give to your doctor.
say they run 15 people a day, doing a procedure that cost 5000 for just the MRI machine, that's 75,000. say they got one of the new ones that cost about 3 million. if they do 15 a day for 20 working days, that's 1.5 million, in two months that machine is paid for. of course you've got power cost and other things but they never lower their price or keep it the same, no they raise the costs.

until all that is taken care of the cost of insurance, is not going to stop going up. and trying to make sure that everyone has insurance is not going to fix that.

i understand that companies are in business to make a profit, but regulation of how much can be charged and billed for, or some system that forces the actual cost of "Health Care" down it's a losing battle.

originally posted by: seasonal
a reply to: JoshuaCox

It will crash before a solution is made. There is so much money that many that are unfairly profiting off this crazy system now think it is their birth right to make this kind of $$$$.

It is that crash that will provide the pain required to make the necessary changes..


Enough people lose their subsidy.. enough people's kids and grandmothers die... premiums continue to rise even after dropping preexisting conditions where no middle class people can afford it..

And boom, the political will to actually fix it..

Revoke Corporate Person-hood laws and the problem would likely be fixable.

Until that happens, you can pretty much forget about anything getting closer to being right.

originally posted by: hounddoghowlie
a reply to: Willtell

i've said this time and time again. it is useless to try and use insurance as a means for health care for everyone so long as the cost of medical,and big pharma(including the manufacturers of equipment) are like they are.

all three should be regulated, just as utilities are. the insane profits they make and strive for will always drive the cost up even when their costs drops.
also it's not just the big stuff, all the little incidentals just because it says medical grade the price shoots up.

a example of this, here in fl where i live one of the power companies wanted to raise the fix rate( the price just for having power at your house not what you use) over double from 18 to 50 dollars, the florida public service commission held hearings and agreement was reached and the rate hike came to just about 7 bucks.

example for cost of equipment use, take a MRI, or any expensive machine, i say MRI because of the one i had.sure they cost up to millions of dollars. but when you run any where from 10 to 20 people or more a day at anywhere from 400 to 5000 dollars depending on which procedure is done, then plus the cost of a doctor, sometimes multiple doctors reading it and writing reports to give to your doctor.
say they run 15 people a day, doing a procedure that cost 5000 for just the MRI machine, that's 75,000. say they got one of the new ones that cost about 3 million. if they do 15 a day for 20 working days, that's 1.5 million, in two months that machine is paid for. of course you've got power cost and other things but they never lower their price or keep it the same, no they raise the costs.

until all that is taken care of the cost of insurance, is not going to stop going up. and trying to make sure that everyone has insurance is not going to fix that.

i understand that companies are in business to make a profit, but regulation of how much can be charged and billed for, or some system that forces the actual cost of "Health Care" down it's a losing battle.

Just for easy math say that all Americans together spend 100 billon on health care.. if you have insurance companies taking 30 BILLION off the top and they aren't even preforming a medical related service (lol)...


HOW IS ANYONE SUPRISED THAT HEALTH CARE COST TOO MUCH?!?!

If your options are lose insurance companies and INSTANTLY get a 30% drop in prices and/or raise in services... or allow them to take a cut off every single medical item and service...

How is that hard?

a reply to: JoshuaCox

T'ain't really....