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posted on Mar, 27 2017 @ 09:47 PM
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a reply to: reldra

I think people should be responsible for their own lives. That includes health, work, housing.

I know some can't so there should be allowances.

The only, and I mean ONLY government sponsored healthcare should be for mental health.




posted on Mar, 27 2017 @ 09:47 PM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: John_Rodger_Cornman
a reply to: Perfectenemy

We should all strive to limit government to a bare minimum and maximize individualism.

People are not the problem. Centralized unchecked power is.


Agreed.

I guess I'd be Individualismistic.


I will in no way disagree with this post.



posted on Mar, 27 2017 @ 09:48 PM
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originally posted by: reldra

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: reldra

originally posted by: JAY1980

originally posted by: John_Rodger_Cornman
Where are the liberalists(aka classical liberals)?

We're here...
Classical liberals most often gets mistaken for conservatives on ATS.
If you are for limited government and pro-gun they just file you with the conservatives.
Not even caring if you are also pro-choice, pro-cannabis, and anti-war.
I tried to get them to understand this a few months back.
A plea for reformation of the left.
But the identity politics game rages on here.


I am pro choice, pro cannabis and pro gun (with reasonable limits), I am anti war. I have never been mistaken for conservative.


I am pro-pro-pro too and I am anti Stupid war.

Why do we have war? I would say - - sometimes there is rational to have war. Am I seeing it now? I do not know.

Is terrorism a legitimate war? Uh . . . who determines who is a terrorist?



Of course there are sometimes reasons for war.

Who determines who is a terrorist? The right likes to do that most of the time. They feel it is their area of expertise. Usually is most Muslims, sometimes it is anyone who doesn't agree with them.


Oh, I agree with that.

To me terrorists are any organized or semi organized group that prevent or fights progression.

That would include fundamental Christians of America.

A terrorist does not need to use "physical deterrents" - - such as bombs. Manipulation through ideology is just as effective.

edit on 27-3-2017 by Annee because: (no reason given)



posted on Mar, 27 2017 @ 09:48 PM
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originally posted by: BubbaJoe

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: John_Rodger_Cornman
a reply to: Perfectenemy

We should all strive to limit government to a bare minimum and maximize individualism.

People are not the problem. Centralized unchecked power is.


Agreed.

I guess I'd be Individualismistic.




Jesus there are as many political viewpoints as there now are genders and sexualities.


I don't mind the plethora of genders and sexualities, why would I ? I know what I am. I am happy that others are coming to know what they are. It is less confusion rather than more. Unless a lost of about 20 things is too confusing for the average intelligence to handle. There are more than 20 items on a McDonald;s menu. I don;t see that confusing most people.

edit on 27-3-2017 by reldra because: (no reason given)



posted on Mar, 27 2017 @ 09:48 PM
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originally posted by: BubbaJoe

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: John_Rodger_Cornman
a reply to: Perfectenemy

We should all strive to limit government to a bare minimum and maximize individualism.

People are not the problem. Centralized unchecked power is.


Agreed.

I guess I'd be Individualismistic.


Jesus there are as many political viewpoints as there now are genders and sexualities.


DON'T ASSUME MY POLITICAL IDENTITY!




posted on Mar, 27 2017 @ 09:48 PM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: reldra

I think people should be responsible for their own lives. That includes health, work, housing.

I know some can't so there should be allowances.

The only, and I mean ONLY government sponsored healthcare should be for mental health.


disabilty? Physical?



posted on Mar, 27 2017 @ 09:51 PM
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Depends on what day of the week it is....


Mondays and Wednesdays - I'm a budget-crunching conservative.

Tuesdays, Thursdays, and Fridays - I'm a groovy hippy-dippy liberal.

Saturdays and Sundays - I'm a neighbourhood-crashing anarchist.



posted on Mar, 27 2017 @ 09:52 PM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: BubbaJoe

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: John_Rodger_Cornman
a reply to: Perfectenemy

We should all strive to limit government to a bare minimum and maximize individualism.

People are not the problem. Centralized unchecked power is.


Agreed.

I guess I'd be Individualismistic.


Jesus there are as many political viewpoints as there now are genders and sexualities.


DON'T ASSUME MY POLITICAL IDENTITY!



You know GD good and well, you and I could down with a pitcher of whatever suds suits us, and could solve a couple of problems, people like us have done that all of our lives.



posted on Mar, 27 2017 @ 09:52 PM
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This was going pretty well until....



posted on Mar, 27 2017 @ 09:52 PM
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a reply to: BubbaJoe

Like I said there should be allowances made.



posted on Mar, 27 2017 @ 09:52 PM
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originally posted by: BubbaJoe

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: reldra

I think people should be responsible for their own lives. That includes health, work, housing.

I know some can't so there should be allowances.

The only, and I mean ONLY government sponsored healthcare should be for mental health.


disabilty? Physical?


Many people need help, even if they are already working.



posted on Mar, 27 2017 @ 09:52 PM
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originally posted by: XAnarchistX
a reply to: Annee

Why? I mean, anyone with even a little bit if knowledge on anarchy understands we don't have/want subjects


Wait? Did I say subjects?

OH! It's in quotes. Yeah, reason for that.

So, you plan on being an isolated anarchist on your island?

edit on 27-3-2017 by Annee because: (no reason given)



posted on Mar, 27 2017 @ 09:52 PM
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originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: reldra

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: reldra

originally posted by: JAY1980

originally posted by: John_Rodger_Cornman
Where are the liberalists(aka classical liberals)?

We're here...
Classical liberals most often gets mistaken for conservatives on ATS.
If you are for limited government and pro-gun they just file you with the conservatives.
Not even caring if you are also pro-choice, pro-cannabis, and anti-war.
I tried to get them to understand this a few months back.
A plea for reformation of the left.
But the identity politics game rages on here.


I am pro choice, pro cannabis and pro gun (with reasonable limits), I am anti war. I have never been mistaken for conservative.


I am pro-pro-pro too and I am anti Stupid war.

Why do we have war? I would say - - sometimes there is rational to have war. Am I seeing it now? I do not know.

Is terrorism a legitimate war? Uh . . . who determines who is a terrorist?



Of course there are sometimes reasons for war.

Who determines who is a terrorist? The right likes to do that most of the time. They feel it is their area of expertise. Usually is most Muslims, sometimes it is anyone who doesn't agree with them.


Oh, I agree with that.

To me terrorists are any organized or semi organized group that prevent or fights progression.

That would include fundamental Christians of America.

A terrorist does not need to use "physical deterrents" - - such as bombs. Manipulation through ideology is just as effective.


I thought a terrorist is a person that uses fear/threats/violence as a means of political coercion and control.
edit on 27-3-2017 by John_Rodger_Cornman because: removed words



posted on Mar, 27 2017 @ 09:52 PM
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originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: reldra

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: reldra

originally posted by: JAY1980

originally posted by: John_Rodger_Cornman
Where are the liberalists(aka classical liberals)?

We're here...
Classical liberals most often gets mistaken for conservatives on ATS.
If you are for limited government and pro-gun they just file you with the conservatives.
Not even caring if you are also pro-choice, pro-cannabis, and anti-war.
I tried to get them to understand this a few months back.
A plea for reformation of the left.
But the identity politics game rages on here.


I am pro choice, pro cannabis and pro gun (with reasonable limits), I am anti war. I have never been mistaken for conservative.


I am pro-pro-pro too and I am anti Stupid war.

Why do we have war? I would say - - sometimes there is rational to have war. Am I seeing it now? I do not know.

Is terrorism a legitimate war? Uh . . . who determines who is a terrorist?



Of course there are sometimes reasons for war.

Who determines who is a terrorist? The right likes to do that most of the time. They feel it is their area of expertise. Usually is most Muslims, sometimes it is anyone who doesn't agree with them.


Oh, I agree with that.

To me terrorists are any organized or semi organized group that prevent or fights progression.

That would include fundamental Christians of America.

A terrorist does not need to use "physical deterrents" - - such as bombs. Manipulation through ideology is just as effective.


How about manipulation through government force?



posted on Mar, 27 2017 @ 09:53 PM
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originally posted by: CranialSponge
Depends on what day of the week it is....


Mondays and Wednesdays - I'm a budget-crunching conservative.

Tuesdays, Thursdays, and Fridays - I'm a groovy hippy-dippy liberal.

Saturdays and Sundays - I'm a neighbourhood-crashing anarchist.


I like that schedule.



posted on Mar, 27 2017 @ 09:53 PM
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originally posted by: BubbaJoe

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: BubbaJoe

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: John_Rodger_Cornman
a reply to: Perfectenemy

We should all strive to limit government to a bare minimum and maximize individualism.

People are not the problem. Centralized unchecked power is.


Agreed.

I guess I'd be Individualismistic.


Jesus there are as many political viewpoints as there now are genders and sexualities.


DON'T ASSUME MY POLITICAL IDENTITY!



You know GD good and well, you and I could down with a pitcher of whatever suds suits us, and could solve a couple of problems, people like us have done that all of our lives.


Oh hell, I know.



posted on Mar, 27 2017 @ 09:54 PM
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a reply to: Annee

You actually did say Subjects



I suggest you buy/own an island - - and see how well that works with your "subjects".


And, no need for an Island, i don't know what you are getting at?



posted on Mar, 27 2017 @ 09:55 PM
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I don't know if he is is older, but DCB is the older brother I never had.



posted on Mar, 27 2017 @ 09:55 PM
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a reply to: Annee

How about scale back the state over time and slowly replace it with artificial intelligence?



posted on Mar, 27 2017 @ 09:55 PM
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originally posted by: John_Rodger_Cornman

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: reldra

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: reldra

originally posted by: JAY1980

originally posted by: John_Rodger_Cornman
Where are the liberalists(aka classical liberals)?

We're here...
Classical liberals most often gets mistaken for conservatives on ATS.
If you are for limited government and pro-gun they just file you with the conservatives.
Not even caring if you are also pro-choice, pro-cannabis, and anti-war.
I tried to get them to understand this a few months back.
A plea for reformation of the left.
But the identity politics game rages on here.


I am pro choice, pro cannabis and pro gun (with reasonable limits), I am anti war. I have never been mistaken for conservative.


I am pro-pro-pro too and I am anti Stupid war.

Why do we have war? I would say - - sometimes there is rational to have war. Am I seeing it now? I do not know.

Is terrorism a legitimate war? Uh . . . who determines who is a terrorist?



Of course there are sometimes reasons for war.

Who determines who is a terrorist? The right likes to do that most of the time. They feel it is their area of expertise. Usually is most Muslims, sometimes it is anyone who doesn't agree with them.


Oh, I agree with that.

To me terrorists are any organized or semi organized group that prevent or fights progression.

That would include fundamental Christians of America.

A terrorist does not need to use "physical deterrents" - - such as bombs. Manipulation through ideology is just as effective.


I thought a terrorist is a person that uses fear/threats/violence as a means of political coercion and control.


Normally. Some other cases have been named terrorism that aren't political or even religious in nature. Going by the legal term.
edit on 27-3-2017 by reldra because: (no reason given)




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