"I will be with you until the end of Times" Apr 12th 1997, Shroud survived Fire

The peace of God to all that belong to the Light
Dear Readers

April 12th of 1997, from a horrible devastating fire in the Cathedral of St John the Baptist of Turin, Italy, the Holy Shroud, the most important of the survival relics of Christ was rescued in a mission Impossible by local firemen.

The temperatures inside the main Altar, exactly where was located behind security glasses the silver box containing the Shroud were at some crucial moments when the firemen were making disparate maneuvers to try to enter above 1000 degrees.

Please check

www.shroud.com...

Italian authorities revealed weeks after the Incident, that the fire was not accidental, but a terrorist attack carried out to destroy the Holy relic.

Thousands of peoples of Turin were in the main square in front of the church in flames praying that the heroic firemen could find the way to save the beloved relic.

This is aside the fire of 1532 and other one ocurred in the 13th century the third time that the relic containing an image of full body not made by human hands and the actual blood of Jesus Christ escaped miraculously of a sure destruction.

In few days we will reach the XX anniversary of this miracle that accomplished the prophetic words of Jesus, that he was going to remain with us in some way until the end of the times.

St Matthew 18, 20
Aramaic Bible in Plain English
“And instruct them to keep everything whatever I have commanded you, and behold, I am with you every day, even unto the end of time. Amen”

Thanks for your attention

The Angel of Lightness

The invention of the Time Machine is the end of "Times".

Sorry to ruin it for you.

a reply to: MacK80

Really, even if human science reach such progress time will be still running everywhere, because time and space is in essence the same thing since the universe exist.

Time and space can be relative but humanity can't destroy them.

Please Read Albert Einstein Theory of Relativity,

einstein.stanford.edu...
Thanks

The Angel of Lightness

If anyone thinks that a piece of dead cloth is more powerful than the living God, they don't know for whom they hope.

Plainly, if someone cannot see the evidence of God without the shroud, then the shroud is pointless. If they cannot see the evidence of God because of the shroud, the shroud is meaningless.

Therefore, all in all, the petty shroud is meaningless.

originally posted by: TarzanBeta
If anyone thinks that a piece of dead cloth is more powerful than the living God, they don't know for whom they hope.

Plainly, if someone cannot see the evidence of God without the shroud, then the shroud is pointless. If they cannot see the evidence of God because of the shroud, the shroud is meaningless.

Therefore, all in all, the petty shroud is meaningless.

I don't think people believe or do not believe based on the shroud.
It may be meaningless to you, but that does not make the shroud meaningless to others.

It is a historic artifact no matter what you believe. Therefore, it has meaning.

a reply to: TarzanBeta

Well, pardon me if I smile a little saying this...

if it is meaningless for you that is your very personal condition, it sounds really the most arrogant statement somebody may think to say, but well perhaps you take dinner every night in the presence of God.

Now for us, the rest of ordinary people of God that live in this planet certainly is extremely meaningful, there are no two objects like it after all in all History.

Thanks

The Angel of Lightness

The firemen fought a terrible battle against time that night, and were extremely afraid that the dome over the altar collapse completely since the structure was heated at levels many materials do not resist without burn or melt.

Please check

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Although the flames had not yet reached the area of the Shroud, large pieces of the dome were breaking away and falling to the floor of the Cathedral, putting the firemen at great risk. (Pieces of glass and masonry from the dome and a shattered wall can be seen on top of the case in several of the photographs above). When asked where he found the strength to break the "bulletproof" glass, Trematore replied, "The bulletproof glass can stop bullets, but it cannot stop the strength of values represented by the symbol inside it. With only a hammer and our hands (still bleeding), we broke the glass. This is extraordinary!"

Thanks

The Angel of Lightness

a reply to: The angel of light

Nope. Timetravel becomes super available and everyone leaves a single future 'peak' point.

Angels, Ascending, Genesis, even Reincarnation, it's all there.

a reply to: The angel of light

Angel,

Are you implying some additional significance to this upcoming anniversary; that because this will be the 20th anniversary, there is something "special" to be expected?

Could it be related to the idea that, in the time of Jesus, 20 years was considered a "generation"? (Even though a generation is now considerably longer).

originally posted by: The angel of light
... the Holy Shroud, the most important of the survival relics of Christ ...

Perhaps you have not heard that the 'shroud' was demonstrated to be a fraud/hoax/later 'creation'?
But, again;
"Nothing is easier than self-deceit. For what each man wishes, that he also believes to be true." - Demosthenes

'наши в англии не спят' = Angels never sleep they watch over you.

a reply to: namelesss

There is No test in serious Science which outcome is given in hoaxes or No hoaxes terms. C14 is not the exception, that is a subjective interpretation of the data produced on it, whoever claims that is irresponsibly acting and deserves no credibility.

The most that can be said is that the levels of radioactive carbon on the samples does not seem to correspond what the decay model curves say must be in an object which integrity is well preserved such that entirely comes from twenty centuries ago.

Hint: the key words are integrity and entirely.

Perhaps you have not yet heard that in 2007 a team of scientists of Emilia University, Bologna University and Padua University showed that a rigorous Statistical Analysis performed over the data collected in the test you are mentioning, based on how abnormally skewed is the variance showed there was something
else dated with the material and altering it's trully age.

Moreover, that analysis paper that became worldwide known responded to claims of two decades coming from many brilliant scientific minds about that clearly the Shroud is what in archaelogy can be called a Nightmare of contamination, due to have been touched with probably at least a million of other people DNA and other cloths made as copies of it along History, and reweaven for repairs in several occasions.

Perhaps you don't know that in 2014 a team from the same Italian Universities leaded by Dr Giulio Fanti was able to perform a dating test based in the last space technology of Spectroscopia and mechanical properties of materials that has fully
established the Shroud certainly come from. the time of Christ.

Finally, perhaps you have not yet heard that the first C14 test ever carried out on the Shroud was performed without permission of the Holy see with samples taken by a team of preservation of archaelogical textiles from Livermore Laboratory in California, that works for institutions as reputed as Caltech and University of California, consulted in 1982, and produced a dates one of which was from No later than the beginning of the second century.

Please update yourself in the topic before to advise others how to do so.

The Angel of Lightness

originally posted by: The angel of light
a reply to: namelesss

...in the test you are mentioning, based on how abnormally skewed is the variance showed there was something
else dated with the material and altering it's trully age.

If I recollect, there have been a number of 'tests'.

Perhaps you don't know that in 2014 a team from the same Italian Universities leaded by Dr Giulio Fanti was able to perform a dating test based in the last space technology of Spectroscopia and mechanical properties of materials that has fully
established the Shroud certainly come from. the time of Christ.

Tested by the roman Catholics, now there's an unbiased and credible source.
Segundo, if that were scientifically valid, scientists from all over the world would be repeating the experiments with similar results, setting the news headlines all over the world on it's head!
No such think has happened.
Perhaps your 'proof' is just a freak website that supports your beliefs?

Finally, perhaps you have not yet heard that the first C14 test ever carried out on the Shroud was performed without permission of the Holy see with samples taken by a team of preservation of archaelogical textiles from Livermore Laboratory in California, that works for institutions as reputed as Caltech and University of California, consulted in 1982, and produced a dates one of which was from No later than the beginning of the second century.

Even if it was from the beginning of the second century, it is not what the 'believers' claim it to be.

Please update yourself in the topic before to advise others how to do so.

I'm happy that you have found a website or two to validate your 'beliefs' for you.
'Beliefs' require constant 'validation/feeding', unlike Faith.
The vast majority of the science world that has examined the 'Shroud', and examined the findings seems to disagree with your 'websites'.
Just like any independent eyewitness accounts of Jesus at all will be a first, and world news!
And at least some validation of Jesus' possible historicity!

Like the TV 'ghost investigator shows that always end in 'inconclusive', all the better to toss 'believers' a bone.

How would your 'Xtianity' be any different if you did not believe in the Shroud?
Do you really need hard (what you are willing to accept as) evidence to maintain your... 'Xtianity'?

Look, I'm not trying to change your mind or convince you of anything.
You gave me a couple validations for your beliefs and I offered a few of my reasons that I am not ready to accept, however tentatively, such a claim as the 'Shroud'.
Whether 'genuine' or not makes absolutely no difference to me; Faith is like that.
I've said what I have to say, you?
Peace and Love

a reply to: namelesss

Well, Dear nameless

First at all is not so easy to replicate experiments for the simple reason that we are talking about an object that even under the standards of the C14 of 1988 is more than 7 centuries old, so first you need to have access to really old materials that can be tested, in other words altered with permission of the owners.

You can obtain authorization to splash the object with human blood and not of our time but of centuries ago, to expose the object to concentrated dioxide of carbon as the ones produced in fires, even to burn parts of it, to also cultivate bacteria on it to produce coating, to bath it with water, to allow hundreds of thousands of people to touch the object with naked hands along centuries and to reweave it with cottom of just no more than two centuries ago in order to recreate the contamination of the shroud.

I don't think it is easy that a museum give such authorization to any experiment with an object of historic value, and even if they agree reliable replication of the conditions of the shroud may consume decades at least to be done.

Thanks,

The Angel of Lighteness

The peace of God to all that belong to the Light,
Dear Readers,

Tonight we are arriving to the 20 years anniversary of the the third miracle of the fire in the History of the Shroud of Turin.

For at least third time in its so long history the Holy relic containing the blood of Christ with the imprint of his face and body was able to survive a fire, this time consuming the Cathedral of St John the Baptist of Turin.

This is another almost incredible proof of the special divine protection over this so historical piece of linen cloth.

Thanks,

The Angel of Lightness

a reply to: The angel of light

The Light remained until the day the shadow overtook as the Night, for mankind's sins were great and the Lord departed a short time.