Before posting the youtube interview I wanted to give a small introduction as to who Ayaan Hirsi Ali is, what she experienced and why she states that
Islam is not a religion of peace.
Ayaan Hirsi Ali was born in Mogadishu, Somalia in 1969. She was born and grew up in a Muslim family, and althou Ayaan's father opposed female genital
mutilation, at the time he was put in prison for his opposition to Siad Barre's government. Because of this Ayaan's grandmother made the decision,
and Ayaan had to undergo the cruel procedure when Ayaan was only 5 years old.
After her father escaped from prison, he moved his family out of Somalia in 1977, they lived in Saudi Arabia, and Ethiopia before finally settling in
Nairobi, Kenya in 1980. By the time Ayaan was a teenager Saudi Arabia was founding religion education in many Muslim countries, because of this
Ayaan, and many other Muslim children were taught the more fundamentalist view of Islam that Saudi Arabia embraces, to the point that Ayaan became
sympathetic to the terrorist organization "The Muslim Brotherhood". Ayaan even agreed with the fatwa issued by Iranian leader Ayatollah Ruhollah
Khomeini that called for the assassination of British author Sir Ahmad Salman Rushdie, for publishing the novel The Satanic Verses (1988) and how
Rushdie portrayed the Muslim prophet Muhammad.
In 1992 she went to Netherlands where she sought political asylum to escape an arranged marriage. It was in the Netherlands and because she had
become an avid reader that Ayaan was exposed to many different points of views, and finally she adopted the secular point of view of Sigmund Freud,
becoming an atheist. Ayeen studied and graduated at Leiden University, receiving an MSc in political science in the year 2000.
Although by that time she had already become disillusioned by Islam, when 9/11 occurred and after Al Qaeda had claimed responsibility she decided to
watch the videos of Bin Laden in which he cited justification for the attacks exist in the Qur'an. In her own words Ayaan wrote:
"I picked up the Qur'an and the hadith and started looking through them, to check. I hated to do it, because I knew that I would find Bin Laden's
quotations in there."
In 2004 she worked with director Theo van Gogh in a short film called "Submission" that criticizes the treatment of women in Islamic society. As we
all know this film sparked outrage amongst Dutch Muslims and all around the world. For this Ali and van Gogh both received death threats. In
November 2004 the 26 year old Dutch Moroccan Islamist Mohammed Bouyeri murdered in cold blood van Gogh, and even tried to decapitate him. Bouyeri
left a note pinned with a small knife in van Gogh's body threatening the death of Ayaan Hirsi Ali.
Ayaan Hirsi Ali has been an outspoken figure for women's rights and has become a critic of Islam.
Now, without further ado, here is the video.
BTW, yes, it is true that there are many Muslims who would not hurt a fly, but the problem is that without a reform in Islam we will continue having
extremists who will follow the evil deeds that Mohammed committed.
Here is one example, of a Muslim student, also a member of MSA (Muslim Students' Association) who at first would seems to be a moderate, but notice
her response to the question that Professor JK Sheindlin asks her on whether or not she would condemn HAMAS as a terrorist and genocidal
Now, again, like I said. There are many Muslims who would not adhere to the fundamentalist views of Islam, but as long as there is no reform in Islam
we will continue having an increase in Muslim extremist attacks.
Another example i want to point out, is a Muslim woman, Zakia Belkhiri , who the media such as the BBC, the Huffington Post, The Telegraph, Vice, Team
Vogue, etc around the world tried to paint Belkhiri as being a Muslim role model, and a champion of peace, love and tolerance for Muslims everywhere
because she took selfies in anti-Islam protests. Except for the fact that Belkhiri has been an ardent racist, spewing anti-semitic hatred in her own
social media. When several people noticed these other "intolerant and racists statements" made by Belkhiri she tried getting rid of the evidence by
deleting her messages of hate as noted and reported by Dornie Tranders in the following video.
Islam needs a reform, because unlike Christianity, Islam did not have a prophet that denounced the more fundamentalist, and radical views which the
prophet Mohammed himself had. Without such reform there will always be larger and larger groups of extremists who will be willing to murder
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You can find bad in every religion, just remember it was only a few decades and a century ago, Christians and Catholics were burning people at the
stake or hanging people, committing domestic terrorism on American soil.
Of course there are radicals who warp the religion as there are radicals who do it in other religions.
If your looking for it, you are going to find someone who helps your ideals about Islam, just like I can find someone talking about how radicals warp
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Ah, good old Ayaan. If you're going to promote her, why not also promote the other side to her story? She & her "story" were exposed as frauds many
years ago. Or is she simply new to you?
I also think it's strange that people here complain that some Muslims aren't implementing more progressive concepts, yet they never mention the
numerous progressive movements in various Muslim countries. Did you know that there are Islamic feminists who are aggressively pushing for women's
rights in Muslim countries (some are even called "women's human rights defenders"? Do you know about any of the Islamic pro-labor movements, the
Islamic pacifist movements, the Islamic interfaith movements, or Islamic pro-LGBT movements? Have you even looked? LOL Of course you haven't looked!
Because many of you complaining about Islam being so "backwards" are the same people who are against progressive and liberal movements right here! So
why would I expect Islamophobes to support Islamic pacifists (like myself) when you're usually against the pacifists in your own country? Why would I
expect Islamophobes to support Islamic feminists (like myself) when you're usually against the feminists in your own country? And why would I expect
Islamophobes to support Islamic interfaith movements or the Muslims who are supportive of LGBT citizens when you're against those movements in your
Just be real. You don't care about Islam modernizing. You just want an excuse to oppose us. Because there are Muslims in every demographic and Muslims
who believe or reject virtually every ideological interpretation out there. There are Muslim socialists and Muslim capitalists; Muslim misogynists and
Muslim feminists; Muslim terrorists & soldiers, as well as Muslim pacifists & activists. If we're to say that Islam needs reform because of the bad
Muslims, we need to say that about every demographic on this planet. Because there are people who do equal harm to others in every segment of
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Please stick to the topic. If you want to start another discussion about other religions you are more than free to do so.
The topic is Islam is bad and I am saying it is just warped by the radicals. I am also saying it is the radicals who give every religion a bad
Believe in a higher power if you want but I wish people would get out of organized religion, they do nothing but brainwash and control people. Their
holy books are the tools to do this.
I don't disagree with your summation of organized religions but people must have free choice and the attack on Islam by decievers and pressure groups
denies people their free choice. If you instead investigated who/why Islam is being attacked you'd realize that you are threatening your own freedoms
by denying others theirs. The war on terrorism is a war on our freedoms.
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Riight, so first of all several times I have stated that there are good Muslims, so your claims that I want to attack you all is false. in the past I
have pointed out and shown evidence that Muslims who do not adhere to the fundamentalist/radical views also suffer and have been even murdered. So
that's your first false narrative.
Then, you post claims from one blog in which video seems to be heavily "edited" to support your narrative about Ayaan. instead of "attacking the
messenger" how about you point out the lies about Islam she has stated?
Since you want to claim that because she had lied about her asylum motives, including about her age, hence we cannot accept anything she says. let's
test that argument you are making.
Was Mohammed a raider, who raided caravans for a living yes or no?
Did Mohammed, break the law he claimed came from the archangel Gabriel that Muslim men could only marry up to 4 wives, yet Mohammed married 12. Yes,
Were any of the women that Mohammed "marry" slaves he had taken from caravans, yes or no?
Did Mohammed marry 6 year old Aisha and "consummated" the marriage when she was 9 years old. yes, or no?
Did Mohammed behead men who had surrendered in the caravans that Mohammed raided, yes or no?
Did Mohammed call for Muslims to kill the unbelievers, which includes Christians, Jewish people, Atheists, and anyone who does not believe and bow to
Islam, yes, or no?
Don't try to twist your answers, don't try to make long and boring arguments going in circles. The answers are simple, yes, or no?
BTW, let me point out one of the many false narratives made by those videos you showed. One of their claims is that in Somalia there are no forced
marriages, and it is easy for women to dissolve the marriage.
Marriage in Somalia
Women and girls in Somalia have severely limited rights when entering into or attempting to dissolve a marriage.Local custom and
Shari’ah law govern marriage and divorce in Somalia.4 Individuals in Somalia can marry once they have reached the
“age of maturity,5 but there is no specific definition of this term and no explicit laws against child marriage.6 UNICEF estimates that 45.3% of
girls in Somalia are married before turning 18 years old.7 Divorce, while available to both men and women, is much harder for a woman to obtain, and
must be done through the Shari’ah court system.8 A woman pursuing a divorce may have to give up custody of her children, property, and financial
settlements from the marriage, among other hardships.
Blah blah blah. I'm not answering any of your ridiculous questions about allegations I can't support or refute because every incident you listed
supposedly happened roughly 1400 years ago. I can only point to hearsay on those issues, just as you can only point to hearsay on those issues.
I can, however, repeat my words about people like you who attack Islam's situation today. Why is it that people like you who claim Islam needs
to modernize never point out or promote the modern Islamic movements that are literally "modernizing" Islam right now? If you really
care about our alleged backwards or regressiveness, you'd at least know something about Islamic feminists, Islamic interfaith movements, Islamic
secular movements & political parties, Islamic pacifists, Islamic pro-LGBT organizations, etc. After all, those groups and individuals are the ones
who are trying to "modernize" things.
Those are all ongoing right now and are trying to oppose the ultra-conservative movements in Muslim majority communities and countries as we type
this. They have websites and legal organizations right now. But the fact that you don't even know about them (or refuse to mention them if
you do know about them) shows that you don't really care about the "Islam needing to modernize" narrative. The fact that every question you asked
me refers to 1400yrs ago as opposed to modern times makes that point clear.
That's like me saying Christianity needs to modernize, then ignoring the modern liberal churches, denominations, interpretations, & community efforts
so I can complain about the Council of Nicaea. LOL! Get with the times, dude.
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People are overlooking what the OP is saying in his thread. He isn't attacking Islam, rather, saying if it is to "survive" and adapt to the modern
world, it needs to undergo an enlightenment or reformation, as some religions have.
Clearly, in its current form, it serves to only feed the ignorance of individuals who don't know any better. Its easy to kill, rape and destroy.
Probably why it has so many followers.
Blah blah blah, blah blah, you are simply not answering because you don't want to admit the truth. Everything i have said can be corroborated.
Here is a video of a Muslim admitting that Mohammed, the prophet was a pedophile. BTW, maybe you don't understand Italian, it is subtitled in
English, but I do understand Italian and will accept 100% responsibility if what it is subtitled in English is wrong. I heard the conversation in
Italian, and anyone who understands it will also verify it is true. Well, there is one part in which this Muslim man wants to talk about Jesus Christ
and that is not included.
Wanted to add, there are some parts that the Muslim man says and are not included in the subtitle, such as when he tries to change the argument to
Jesus Christ. I can't hear at first what the other man who gets up is saying.
But just in case anyone wants to deny this. Here is another Muslim man saying Mohammed did marry Aisha, a minor, and raped the minor. Yet this
Muslim man says it was completely legal and it "had nothing to do with pedophilia. That same Muslim man says that since it was okay then, that it is
acceptable now for Muslim men to marry minors and pretty much rape them.
Likewise, everything else I wrote can be corroborated. Islam does need to be reformed as a religion.
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