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How Bad Is It For Trumpcare and the Republican Party

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posted on Mar, 24 2017 @ 04:11 PM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: veracity

originally posted by: DBCowboy
The democrats and leftists can certainly celebrate today.

This exposed the ####stained republicans in the House and Senate.



Its sad and yet so rewarding to watch republicans bash other republicans and watch the whole party implode on each other.

The freedom caucus did what was right, they spoke for their constituents. Im sorry that makes the bigots so miserable.

GO FREEDOM CAUCUS


Not sure who your insults are directed at.

The republicans had 7 years and they blew it because they didn't really want Obamacare repealed.


they didnt blow anything, they were put on the spot to come up with something better than Obamacare and couldnt do it. If it were a republican or even a white president who implemented Obamacare, this would not be an issue today.

the only thing that happened is they are realizing how extensive and difficult healthcare is and that obama nailed it all while they tried to derailed it.




posted on Mar, 24 2017 @ 04:13 PM
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a reply to: veracity

They are still trying to figure out how to be a nanny state without looking like a nanny state.

They are trying to make socialized medicine look different.

And they can't.

The government has no business in healthcare.



posted on Mar, 24 2017 @ 04:17 PM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: veracity

They are still trying to figure out how to be a nanny state without looking like a nanny state.

They are trying to make socialized medicine look different.

And they can't.

The government has no business in healthcare.



Its ok to have that opinion that the govt has no biz in healthcare, but its actually a good idea. I understand that this is way over some peoples realm of thinking but a healthy nation (and its poor) is a strong nation and we cannot get there without gov't intervention to help the poor and keep prices down for the middle class. The filthy rich can take their money and go elsewhere if they believe they are paying for the poor and lazy's healthcare. That is just a sad and miserable way of looking at it.



posted on Mar, 24 2017 @ 04:25 PM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

The reality is that obamacare has resulted in millions having healthcare coverage that otherwise wouldn't have, including those with preexisting conditions...

Any repeal that eliminates any of that and the GOP will have daily horror stories in the news of people denied treatment, or delayed, along with emotional stories and all of it will be blamed on them, no one wants to have to deal with that fallout in future elections.

Damned if they do or don't, and the ACA was designed that way intentionally.



posted on Mar, 24 2017 @ 04:33 PM
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a reply to: SeekingAlpha

It's so bad that yanks would rather shaft each other than help each other......this will be Obama's legacy (well, that and the fact he and his husband are racists).

Hopefully it's not too late to fix but judging by the OP, it's unfixable...because....Trump

Which is funny because Obananacare was a trainwreck LONG BEFORE Trump decided to run, but, in typical tard fashion - whaaaaa Trump is bad therefore Obananacare's failure is Trumps fault.

[rolls eyes]



posted on Mar, 24 2017 @ 04:36 PM
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originally posted by: ausername
a reply to: DBCowboy

The reality is that obamacare has resulted in millions having healthcare coverage that otherwise wouldn't have, including those with preexisting conditions...

Any repeal that eliminates any of that and the GOP will have daily horror stories in the news of people denied treatment, or delayed, along with emotional stories and all of it will be blamed on them, no one wants to have to deal with that fallout in future elections.

Damned if they do or don't, and the ACA was designed that way intentionally.


Crafty of the left.

And pretty evil also.

I have to wonder what day it was that healthcare stopped being a personal responsibility.



posted on Mar, 24 2017 @ 04:41 PM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: ausername
a reply to: DBCowboy

The reality is that obamacare has resulted in millions having healthcare coverage that otherwise wouldn't have, including those with preexisting conditions...

Any repeal that eliminates any of that and the GOP will have daily horror stories in the news of people denied treatment, or delayed, along with emotional stories and all of it will be blamed on them, no one wants to have to deal with that fallout in future elections.

Damned if they do or don't, and the ACA was designed that way intentionally.




I have to wonder what day it was that healthcare stopped being a personal responsibility.



When the corporate medical industry decided that it's a fantastic way to profit off of sick people. And Insurance, pharma got lobbiest to make sure big business was able to make a profit. It's just capitalism after all and government loves that with the accompanying corruption, graft, kickbacks and tickets to the super bowl.
edit on 24-3-2017 by olaru12 because: (no reason given)



posted on Mar, 24 2017 @ 04:46 PM
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originally posted by: olaru12

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: ausername
a reply to: DBCowboy

The reality is that obamacare has resulted in millions having healthcare coverage that otherwise wouldn't have, including those with preexisting conditions...

Any repeal that eliminates any of that and the GOP will have daily horror stories in the news of people denied treatment, or delayed, along with emotional stories and all of it will be blamed on them, no one wants to have to deal with that fallout in future elections.

Damned if they do or don't, and the ACA was designed that way intentionally.




I have to wonder what day it was that healthcare stopped being a personal responsibility.



When the corporate medical industry decided that it's a fantastic way to profit off of sick people. And Insurance, pharma got lobbiest to make sure big business was able to make a profit. It's just capitalism after all and government loves that with the accompanying corruption, graft and tickets to the super bowl.


True, and you also have to consider that there was a time when you got certain diseases, you just died, because no one knew how to treat you. Now, with healthcare advancements, there are lots of treatments and even cures for illnesses that were hopeless before. Everyone wants those treatments and cures, so someone realized pretty quick there's lots of money in this.



posted on Mar, 24 2017 @ 04:49 PM
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Obamacare is a legacy like cancer is a legacy. We might survive it, but regardless, we'll never be the same.



posted on Mar, 24 2017 @ 05:04 PM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy
Obamacare is a legacy like cancer is a legacy. We might survive it, but regardless, we'll never be the same.


But who actually crafted Ocare? The insurance industry perhaps? The libs?

www.philly.com...

www.forbes.com...[editb y]edit on 24-3-2017 by olaru12 because: (no reason given)



posted on Mar, 24 2017 @ 05:06 PM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy
Obamacare is a legacy like cancer is a legacy. We might survive it, but regardless, we'll never be the same.


The only problem is that what about the millions it actually helped..lives saved, bankruptcy's avoided. I realize there are a lot of problems with it but for millions Obamacare was life changing in a good way. Are those millions less important than the millions it harmed with increased premiums? Or, are they equally as important as each other?



posted on Mar, 24 2017 @ 05:12 PM
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a reply to: amazing

Obamacare is socialist. The poor get benefits. The richer pay for those benefits.



posted on Mar, 24 2017 @ 05:15 PM
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originally posted by: allsee4eye
a reply to: amazing

Obamacare is socialist. The poor get benefits. The richer pay for those benefits.


Or I pay for my own benefits. I pay taxes and I pay for insurance. um not sure how that is socialist as I think you're describing, but either way, we need to be able to have affordable health care. No? Yes?
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posted on Mar, 24 2017 @ 05:27 PM
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originally posted by: amazing

originally posted by: DBCowboy
Obamacare is a legacy like cancer is a legacy. We might survive it, but regardless, we'll never be the same.


The only problem is that what about the millions it actually helped..lives saved, bankruptcy's avoided. I realize there are a lot of problems with it but for millions Obamacare was life changing in a good way. Are those millions less important than the millions it harmed with increased premiums? Or, are they equally as important as each other?


How about the millions that were harmed by Obamacare?



posted on Mar, 24 2017 @ 05:29 PM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: ausername
a reply to: DBCowboy

The reality is that obamacare has resulted in millions having healthcare coverage that otherwise wouldn't have, including those with preexisting conditions...

Any repeal that eliminates any of that and the GOP will have daily horror stories in the news of people denied treatment, or delayed, along with emotional stories and all of it will be blamed on them, no one wants to have to deal with that fallout in future elections.

Damned if they do or don't, and the ACA was designed that way intentionally.


Crafty of the left.

And pretty evil also.

I have to wonder what day it was that healthcare stopped being a personal responsibility.


Much easier to give freebies than take them away... in that sense, yes, very clever.



posted on Mar, 24 2017 @ 05:32 PM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: amazing

originally posted by: DBCowboy
Obamacare is a legacy like cancer is a legacy. We might survive it, but regardless, we'll never be the same.


The only problem is that what about the millions it actually helped..lives saved, bankruptcy's avoided. I realize there are a lot of problems with it but for millions Obamacare was life changing in a good way. Are those millions less important than the millions it harmed with increased premiums? Or, are they equally as important as each other?


How about the millions that were harmed by Obamacare?


That's what I'm saying. If I've got Millions of people that were helped and millions of people that were hurt, who's more important? They're equal, right?



posted on Mar, 24 2017 @ 05:32 PM
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a reply to: amazing

So if millions are helped by getting rid of Obamacare, then that would be wonderful also.



posted on Mar, 24 2017 @ 05:35 PM
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a reply to: SeekingAlpha


Your entire OP is inaccurate. Trump was elected on the hopes he would dump Obama care.......the republicans were elected only because they were republicans.



posted on Mar, 24 2017 @ 05:40 PM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: amazing

So if millions are helped by getting rid of Obamacare, then that would be wonderful also.



Oh wow I love you man. We taking the brunt of this up the shoot need to take extra special note these days. We are the mules.......politicos work for the insurance firms. Trump has exposed them with more clarity than ever.



posted on Mar, 24 2017 @ 05:42 PM
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originally posted by: allsee4eye
a reply to: amazing

Obamacare is socialist. The poor get benefits. The richer pay for those benefits.


Exactly right. But that is about to change, as ObamaCare implodes. Marco Rubio started the process in Feb 2016, by wiping out the fund meant to help health insurance companies that lose money.

Ref: www.politifact.com...

President Trump signed an Executive Order his first day in office, that will cause ObamaCare to implode even faster.

Ref: www.cnn.com...

It's doomed even without Republican interventions, but they're certainly helping ObamaCare along to a faster demise.


edit on 3/24/2017 by carewemust because: (no reason given)



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