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Anyone else catch Spicer's presser a bit ago?

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posted on Mar, 23 2017 @ 04:18 PM
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a reply to: The GUT


Or that he's a patriot. But I don't expect a hysterical, hypocritical leftist to grasp the difference.


Since I'm a "hysterical hypocrite," perhaps you could explain to me what about Nunes action was patriotic? Do you define patriotism as allegiance to a political leader?


He alleged it didn't have to do with the Russia collusion investigation and, thusly, he had every right to go to the President and the Prez has every right to see it. Game on!


That must be why he apologized to members of the House Intel Committee today? Because he knew he was in the right, because he's a super patriot.

Nunes shouldn't even be involved in the investigation considering that he was part of the Trump transition team. Would you have thought it was kosher for members of Obama's transition team to lead up investigations into Obama's transition team?

Where do you believe the information — whatever it actually was — that he rushed off to share with the WH before anyone else (in person at that!) came from? You don't think it was garnered as part of the investigation process?

Actually, skip all that. Do you have any idea what a conflict of interest is, why conflicts of interest are bad and why what Nunes would appear problematic in regards to his obvious conflict of interest?




posted on Mar, 23 2017 @ 04:25 PM
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originally posted by: Deny Arrogance
No mention of Spicer bringing up the DNC conspiring with CNN and rigging the debates?

That was the best part.



I have to admit I got a bit of pleasure from that comment too. LOL



posted on Mar, 23 2017 @ 04:28 PM
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originally posted by: Deny Arrogance
a reply to: theantediluvian

The Brazille Cnn conspiracy actually happened.

The russian Trump conspiracy is a load of BS.

See the difference?


What I see is a true believer's desperate need to keep talking about anything but Dear Leader's campaign's ties to Russia. Those ties are very real too. Don't think so? Why doesn't Flynn have a job right now? I mean, aside from the fact that some IC leaker to the media exposed his lying/Pence's lying and forced Trump to do something about it.

Are you denying that Carter Page has ties to Russia? That he wasn't in Moscow last summer giving anti-American speeches and meeting with Russian officials? There's nothing about that which is speculation. The question is what were they discussing and whether he was there on private business or at the behest of Trump/Manafort.

The ties are real. What isn't clear yet is whether or not there was collusion between any of these people and the Kremlin. Well, unclear to non-cult members. Your mind was made up on day one and no amount of proof could ever cause you to change it.


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posted on Mar, 23 2017 @ 04:35 PM
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a reply to: Vasa Croe

Odd since apparently Nunez apologized to his fellow committee members.



posted on Mar, 23 2017 @ 04:36 PM
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originally posted by: theantediluvian
a reply to: The GUT


Or that he's a patriot. But I don't expect a hysterical, hypocritical leftist to grasp the difference.


Since I'm a "hysterical hypocrite," perhaps you could explain to me what about Nunes action was patriotic? Do you define patriotism as allegiance to a political leader?


He alleged it didn't have to do with the Russia collusion investigation and, thusly, he had every right to go to the President and the Prez has every right to see it. Game on!


That must be why he apologized to members of the House Intel Committee today? Because he knew he was in the right, because he's a super patriot.

Nunes shouldn't even be involved in the investigation considering that he was part of the Trump transition team. Would you have thought it was kosher for members of Obama's transition team to lead up investigations into Obama's transition team?

Where do you believe the information — whatever it actually was — that he rushed off to share with the WH before anyone else (in person at that!) came from? You don't think it was garnered as part of the investigation process?

Actually, skip all that. Do you have any idea what a conflict of interest is, why conflicts of interest are bad and why what Nunes would appear problematic in regards to his obvious conflict of interest?


Patriotism:

The quality of being patriotic; vigorous support for one's country

I'd say support for the POTUS falls within that definition considering he leads the country we are currently residing in.

And hysterical hypocrisy is the definition of most of the political mud pit posts I have seen from you.

Most, if not all, have been shown to be full of fallacies and fake news solely for hit piece reaction.

Whatever will you do when the US economy grows and we are stronger than ever? Will the Russian crap continue, even though there are more connections to Russia with Hillary and Obama and Podesta than there ever were with Trump? I mean I can point to any number of threads with actual proof of their connections and can't find a single one with actual proof for Trump.

How many "Trumped" up stories can one make up based on half truths and anonymous sources?

Trouble is, intelligent people see through them...those stories are for the liberal fascists that just want the latest knee jerk reactionary words to set their SJW brain into action regardless of truth or proof.



posted on Mar, 23 2017 @ 04:39 PM
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Odd since apparently Nunez apologized to his fellow committee members.
I heard that too but have to ask what was the apology ? for what ?



posted on Mar, 23 2017 @ 04:41 PM
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a reply to: the2ofusr1

I think the apology was for not sharing the info with the committee before everyone else.



posted on Mar, 23 2017 @ 04:44 PM
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For telling the POTUS whatever it was that he found before he told them. Also, as a sidebar, should the POTUS know what is discovered about him in an intelligence inquiry? Seems dodgy. But that's what Nunez did. Should he lose his position on the committee?



posted on Mar, 23 2017 @ 04:45 PM
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originally posted by: theantediluvian

originally posted by: Deny Arrogance
a reply to: theantediluvian

The Brazille Cnn conspiracy actually happened.

The russian Trump conspiracy is a load of BS.

See the difference?


What I see is a true believer's desperate need to keep talking about anything but Dear Leader's campaign's ties to Russia. Those ties are very real too. Don't think so? Why doesn't Flynn have a job right now? I mean, aside from the fact that some IC leaker to the media exposed his lying/Pence's lying and forced Trump to do something about it.

Are you denying that Carter Page has ties to Russia? That he wasn't in Moscow last summer giving anti-American speeches and meeting with Russian officials? There's nothing about that which is speculation. The question is what were they discussing and whether he was there on private business or at the behest of Trump/Manafort.

The ties are real. What isn't clear yet is whether or not there was collusion between any of these people and the Kremlin. Well, unclear to non-cult members. Your mind was made up on day one and no amount of proof could ever cause you to change it.



Feel free to post actual evidence of those ties to Russia....so far nobody has posted any.

Even Clapped said there were none, but hang on to that delusion...maybe "theantedelusion" would be a better pseudonym....



posted on Mar, 23 2017 @ 04:55 PM
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For telling the POTUS whatever it was that he found before he told them.
Do we have any quotes ? And who is them ?



posted on Mar, 23 2017 @ 05:08 PM
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Sorry - his committee members.



posted on Mar, 23 2017 @ 05:34 PM
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Feel free to post actual evidence of those ties to Russia....so far nobody has posted any.


Are you denying that Michael Flynn lied about his communications with Kislyak? You do realize that Flynn also lied about getting paid by the Russian government for the speech he gave at the RT gala where he ended up seated next to Vladimir Putin?

Fox News - Trump national security adviser Michael Flynn resigns (Feb 11)


Vice President Mike Pence, after being briefed by Flynn, had said in television interviews that Flynn did not discuss sanctions with the ambassador. Flynn later admitted the issue may have been raised, which escalated the matter from a simmering controversy to a full-blown firestorm -- resulting in Monday night's resignation.


Fox News - Flynn reportedly lied to FBI about sanctions talk with Russian envoy (Feb 16)


The former national security adviser denied to the FBI that he discussed sanctions with the Russians; reaction from Gregg Jarrett, Fox News anchor and attorney Now Playing Could Michael Flynn face criminal charges? Former national security adviser Michael Flynn denied in an FBI interview last month that he had discussed U.S. sanctions against Russia with Moscow's ambassador to the United States, contradicting transcripts of intercepted communications between the two men, the Washington Post reported Thursday.


Yahoo News - Moscow paid $45,000 for Flynn’s 2015 talk, documents show (Mar 16)


RT, the Russian state-owned television network described by U.S. intelligence officials as “the Kremlin’s principal international propaganda outlet,” paid $45,386 for former Defense Intelligence Agency Director Michael Flynn to fly to Moscow to speak at its 10th anniversary celebration in December 2015, according to documents newly obtained by a congressional committee and provided to Yahoo News.

At the Russian government’s expense, Flynn — who was fired last month as President Trump’s national security adviser — was accompanied by his son, Michael Flynn Jr., on the three-day, all-expenses-paid trip, where they both stayed at the five-star Hotel Metropol in Moscow next to Red Square, according to documents obtained from Flynn’s speakers’ bureau, Leading Authorities.

Questions about Flynn’s 2015 appearance in Moscow first arose last July during an interview at the Republican National Convention in Cleveland, when Yahoo News pressed him on who paid for the trip.

“I didn’t take any money from Russia, if that’s what you’re asking me,” Flynn said at first. Then when asked who did him pay him, Flynn replied: “My speakers’ bureau — ask them.”


Flynn took money from the Russian government to go be a prop at an RT gala, lied about it. Had conversations with Kislyak about sanctions and lied *apparently* (who even knows, it's not like the administration has any credibility) to both Trump/Pence and the FBI about that.

I'll get into Carter Page in the next page and a couple other bits in pieces in another post.
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posted on Mar, 23 2017 @ 05:49 PM
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Before I continue, you do know who Paul Manafort is correct? I know that Sean Spicer and Team Trump would like you to forget, but Paul Manafort was Trump's campaign manager after Lewandowski and up until he resigned when the heat was turned up on him over his name appearing in a ledger of pay-offs made by the Putin-lackey, Yanukovych, former President of Ukraine and Manafort's boss for the better part of a decade.

NYT - Secret Ledger in Ukraine Lists Cash for Donald Trump’s Campaign Chief (Aug 14, 2016)


KIEV, Ukraine — On a leafy side street off Independence Square in Kiev is an office used for years by Donald J. Trump’s campaign chairman, Paul Manafort, when he consulted for Ukraine’s ruling political party. His furniture and personal items were still there as recently as May.

And Mr. Manafort’s presence remains elsewhere here in the capital, where government investigators examining secret records have found his name, as well as companies he sought business with, as they try to untangle a corrupt network they say was used to loot Ukrainian assets and influence elections during the administration of Mr. Manafort’s main client, former President Viktor F. Yanukovych.

Handwritten ledgers show $12.7 million in undisclosed cash payments designated for Mr. Manafort from Mr. Yanukovych’s pro-Russian political party from 2007 to 2012, according to Ukraine’s newly formed National Anti-Corruption Bureau. Investigators assert that the disbursements were part of an illegal off-the-books system whose recipients also included election officials.


In fact, Manafort is facing brand new allegations in Ukraine.

NYT - Paul Manafort, Former Trump Campaign Chief, Faces New Allegations in Ukraine


On Monday, the intrigue took another turn, when a member of Parliament in Ukraine released documents that he said showed that Mr. Manafort took steps to hide the payments, which were tied to Mr. Manafort’s work for former President Viktor F. Yanukovych. The documents included an invoice that appeared to show $750,000 funneled through an offshore account and disguised as payment for computers.

Mr. Manafort, who denied the latest allegations, has asserted that the ledger is a forgery and that the member of Parliament, Serhiy A. Leshchenko, was involved in a scheme to blackmail him. Mr. Leshchenko insists that a letter appearing to show him threatening Mr. Manafort with the release of damaging information was itself a fake, and he denies any involvement in blackmail.


Manafort is sleazy character and his ties to Russia via Yanukovych and his own business dealings are well known. For instance:

Weekly Standard - Why Would Trump Aide Paul Manafort Rip Off a Russian Mobster? (Aug 17, 2016)


In the New York Times's recent report on Trump aide Paul Manafort's possibly illegal payoffs from pro-Russian interests in Ukraine, there's this curious detail:

Among the hundreds of murky transactions these companies engaged in was an $18 million deal to sell Ukrainian cable television assets to a partnership put together by Mr. Manafort and a Russian oligarch, Oleg Deripaska, a close ally of President Vladimir V. Putin.

Per the Washington Post, Manafort got $7.5 million for orchestrating this nearly $19 million deal, which seems like a disproportionate amount of money relative to the size of the initial investment. Allegedly, the money from the TV deal was to be the first of a series of investments in a private equity firm set up by Manafort in the Cayman Islands. In 2008, Deripaska sued Manafort in the Cayman Islands because the money had not been invested. The case dragged on, and the Cayman Islands pursued it in federal court, where Manafort was questioned.

Also worth noting: Deripaska is barred from traveling to the United States because of supposed ties to organized crime. So why was Manafort doing business with Deripaska, and why would Manafort seemingly be so foolish as to rob a mobster of millions of dollars?


Then this comes to light TODAY:

Washington Post - Manafort is gone, but his business associate remains a key part of Trump’s operation


The White House on Wednesday sought to again distance itself from President Trump’s former campaign chairman, Paul Manafort, who is under increasing scrutiny over his connections to Russian business interests.

But even as Trump officials downplay Manafort’s role, his ­decade-long business associate Rick Gates remains entrenched in the president’s operation. Gates is one of four people leading a Trump-blessed group that defends the president’s agenda. As recently as last week, he was at the White House to meet with officials as part of that work.

Through Manafort, Gates is tied to many of the same business titans from Ukraine and Russia, including Oleg Deripaska, a Russian oligarch with strong ties to Russian President Vladi­mir Putin. On Wednesday, the Associated Press reported that Manafort had a multimillion-dollar contract with Deripaska between at least 2005 and 2009 that was aimed at helping the political interests of Putin.


And of course, I'm sure you know how Trump knows Manafort (who brought in Gates)? Through their mutual friend of many decades and Manafort's former business partner, notorious self-described "dirty trickster," Roger Stone.

I'm still getting to Carter Page, give me a moment! (next post)



posted on Mar, 23 2017 @ 06:03 PM
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Nunes "apology"....

Thursday, a Democrat on the panel told reporters

Hmmm

Did Nunes *really* apologize ?



posted on Mar, 23 2017 @ 06:08 PM
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I believe that what Chairman NUNES saw was damaging to the Trump Administration. That's why he did an "end run" around his own committee. Otherwise, why would he have done so?



posted on Mar, 23 2017 @ 06:11 PM
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From my own thread, way back in September, Who Is Carter Page And How Did He Come To Work For Trump's Campaign?


Carter Page started working for Merrill Lynch in 2000. He's said in interviews that because of a relationship he had with Victor Pinchuk (Ukrainian billionaire married who happens to be married to the daughter of the Ukraine's second President), he was sent to Moscow in 2004. In 2005, Russia upped its ownership of Gazprom to a majority stake, making it state controlled. Page spent three years in Moscow at this time helping put together major deals for Gazprom.

Here's an excerpt from a Bloomberg article published in March of this year when Carter Page was first identified as one of Trump's foreign policy advisors.



Page says he advised Gazprom on its largest deals during this period, such as buying of a stake in the Sakhalin oil and gas field in the Sea of Okhotsk. He also helped the company court Western investors, assisting in setting up the first regular meetings with shareholders in New York and London. Before he moved back to New York in 2007, he says, many of its top officials showed up at his going-away party, at a restaurant near the Kremlin.


Washington Examiner - Trump campaign approved Carter Page's Russia trip, on one condition


President Trump's campaign team granted permission for then-adviser on national security issues Carter Page to visit Moscow last July where he delivered a speech criticizing U.S. sanctions against Russia.

Page on Tuesday confirmed that a representative of the Trump campaign approved the trip in June, telling him he could make the trip as a private citizen, not a representative of the campaign.

"I'm confirming that information," Page said, according to a report in USA Today. Page did not share the name of the individual who gave the green light.

During his trip to Russia last summer, Page stayed for three days and met with scholars and professors following his graduation speech.

Page added that he was not aware of having spoken to any Russian intelligence officials, but that it was "possible" he could have spoken to a Russian military veteran but did not know it at the time.

Page said he did not talk about U.S. sanctions on Russia, though he is on the record opposing the Crimea sanctions. He did not deny talking about the U.S. presidential election.

The former campaign member left the team in September after it became public that he had given a speech in Moscow that went against current U.S. foreign policy.


Carter Page and Manafort are the most likely individuals to have been the subject of the FISA warrants that I first brought up on ATS in November:

WOW. Russia Confirms Contact With Trump Campaign

Look to my second post, where I excerpt an article from Heat Street from election week.


More from Heat Street who published a story the night before the election purporting that a source was confirming that an FISA warrant had been issued over contacts between the Russian government and the Trump campaign.



The night before the election, I reported that in October the FBI sought, and was granted, a secret FISA court warrant giving U.S. counter-intelligence agents permission to examine the activities of “U.S. persons” in Donald Trump’s campaign with ties to Russia.

Counterintelligence sources now further tell me that US intelligence has gained legal permission to look at transcripts of phone conversations that were held by Trump advisor Carter Page while he was in Russia in July.

Mr. Page, as reported by Heat Street in July, said he was in Russia as a private individual giving an academic lecture. He also met with some Russian officials, including the Deputy Prime Minister of Russia, Arkady Dvorkovich. These meetings were at the time couched as private ones — not official contacts between the campaign and the Russian government. Russian media were skeptical of that explanation at the time.


That thread btw was actually about statements made by Russian Deputy Foreign Minister, Sergei Ryabkov:

Later in the thread I cite more comments:


"There were contacts," Interfax cited Ryabkov as saying. "We are doing this and have been doing this during the election campaign."

Such contacts would continue, he added, saying the Russian government knew and had been in touch with many of Trump's closest allies. He did not name names.

"Obviously, we know most of the people from his (Trump's)entourage. Those people have always been in the limelight in the United States and have occupied high-ranking positions," he said.

"I cannot say that all of them, but quite a few have been staying in touch with Russian representatives."


and of course Hope Hicks lied and denied those contacts (source):


“Obviously, we know most of the people from his entourage,” Ryabkov said.

“We have just begun to consider ways of building dialogue with the future Donald Trump administration and channels we will be using for those purposes,” Ryabkov was quoted as saying.

Ryabkov provided no further details, and his remarks drew a swift denial from Trump spokeswoman Hope Hicks, who said the campaign had “no contact with Russian officials” before Tuesday’s election.


Russian ties and Trumpian lies. What a s#show courtesy of the Putin fawning dishonest Dear Liar, I mean Leader.

Do you need for me to go on? There's plenty more for you to ignore.
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posted on Mar, 23 2017 @ 06:15 PM
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It still amazes me that CNN is in denial over the fact that Democrats are now the minority. The network continually states, "This is what Democrats want"... "Democrats need this to feel at ease"...."Democrats are against __________".

SCREW what Democrats want. Republicans are having a hard enough time keeping their own cohesion...Considering Democrat wants and desires is not important. They've lost too many seats in D.C. and across the nation.



posted on Mar, 23 2017 @ 06:26 PM
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Are you denying that Michael Flynn lied about his communications with Kislyak? You do realize that Flynn also lied about getting paid by the Russian government for the speech he gave at the RT gala where he ended up seated next to Vladimir Putin?


Are you saying that Flynn is a bald-faced liar that can't be trusted? Really??? But... wait... I'm so confused! I was sure that you invoked the good lt. general's name just this morning in order to discredit the NSA/Whistleblower Dennis Montgomery.

So does this mean that Montgomery must be a good guy after all since we obviously cannot trust that lying liar Flynn???

Oh dear! I'm so confused



posted on Mar, 23 2017 @ 06:31 PM
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originally posted by: xuenchen
Nunes "apology"....

Thursday, a Democrat on the panel told reporters

Hmmm

Did Nunes *really* apologize ?


Thanks for posting that -- I was about to hunt it up myself!

So many words and so few facts. And no mention of the spying information given to Nunes by whistleblower Dennis Montgomery... much less the threat (promise?) to go public.

Things that make one go hmmmmm.....



posted on Mar, 23 2017 @ 06:39 PM
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Are you saying that Flynn is a bald-faced liar that can't be trusted? Really??? But... wait... I'm so confused! I was sure that you invoked the good lt. general's name just this morning in order to discredit the NSA/Whistleblower Dennis Montgomery.


No. The Michael Flynn quote in the excerpt in that post was Mr. Montgomery's former lawyer who just happened to have the same name as the lying Lt. General.
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