How serious is the Jihadi threat to GB? 50K+ Download Jihadi mag

in the OP... I thought I read that there was a degree of outrage that terrorist material was available on the web...
or had not been in some way rationed out only to the sane people who were mad at that stuff being accessible to inquisitive minds.

Well --- that is the hallmark of a free and open society...to have the freedom to publish hate or porn or whatever


in a Muslim/Sharia Law State.... the very act of pointing out that the 'inspire' handbook-for-terror magazine was not worthy of being popularized ("i.e." = 50k pdf downloads)... would be considered as a Blasphemy of Islam and would warrant a 'stoning' or a beheading of another infidel... how's that for equality


I believe the radicalization and acceptance of extreme Jihad by western societies is a mistake...Jihad is a barbaric practice which snakes around all the human rights issues & freedoms that were hard fought for by the civilized world economies

the practice of terror Jihad is Anti-Civil Law & Order and should only survive as a cult practice in all the Islamic Heritage Nations which are ruled under Sharia Law.... the great divide must always remain between Islam and all other Religious Ideologies

a reply to: Perfectenemy

The Bible and rather a few of our other religious texts contain some rather dubious views and promote genocidal ideologies which could be considered to be dangerous and radical depending on ones interpretation. Just a thought.

I tend to agree that anyone that is found to be downloading Jihadi subject matter should indeed become a person of interest, that stands to simple reason really.

However like i said not everyone that decides to peruse such dubious content is a terrorist or going to become one, hence 50,000+ downloads of such material while a concern does not mean there are 50,000+ Jihadi fundamentalist doing the rounds in our towns and cities.

There used to be something called "The Hackers Black Bible/book" that contained some rather spurious info on all manner of different subjects including how to build explosive devices and interrupt communications mediums of the day. Rather a few people used to download that but that did not mean that everyone that did so was a hacker or had nefarious intent, just that they were curious as to some of the topics contained within "Hackers Black Bible".

I don't know why certain people choose to download such fundamentalist bull crap, but its not something i would be concerned about anymore than some of the other material available online.

originally posted by: AmatuerSkyWatcher

originally posted by: TinySickTears
a reply to: AmatuerSkyWatcher

I will get back to this later but I wanted to touch on something just to make a point.
You asked another member to stick to cold hard facts yet you don't do that yourself.
You said in your op you can't tell religion by IP address then you go on to say you imagine most of those downloads are from Muslim's.
My point is that's not a fact. I mean you looked at the book.
Sounds like something I would look at for the same thing reason I would look at the anarchist cookbook. That reason is definitely cause I want to blow # up and hurt people.

So yeah. Facts

Are you claiming that it's unlikely that the vast majority who viewed and downloaded the material are Muslims?

if i was claiming that i would have said that.
i was pointing out the fact that you asked another member to use nothing but cold hard facts and you didnt even do that. i also pointed out that in just this thread alone there is 1 person that is not muslim that did download the book(you) and another not muslim that would download the book(me)
just making a point that you numbers could very easily be off.
if all you wanted to discuss was cold hard facts then you should have used only cold hard facts....you didnt

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: Perfectenemy

However like i said not everyone that decides to peruse such dubious content is a terrorist or going to become one, hence 50,000+ downloads of such material while a concern does not mean there are 50,000+ Jihadi fundamentalist doing the rounds in our towns and cities.

I'll play devil's advocate... How can you be certain?

originally posted by: AmatuerSkyWatcher

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: Perfectenemy

However like i said not everyone that decides to peruse such dubious content is a terrorist or going to become one, hence 50,000+ downloads of such material while a concern does not mean there are 50,000+ Jihadi fundamentalist doing the rounds in our towns and cities.

I'll play devil's advocate... How can you be certain?

how can you?


you said

What I found whilst having a quick browse

maybe a lot of other people had a quick browse. i have not but i would...why not? i can read # without being a terrorist

Now, it's impossible to tell somebodies religion over the internet by simply looking at an IP address, so I'm sure not all the downloads were from Muslims, but, I should imagine the vast majority of downloads were from that religious group

another point i was making that in this thread alone we can count 2 non terrorists that did or would download the book. if 2 in this thread alone did or would in my opinion it is not unreasonable to assume that a load of others did as well.

originally posted by: andy06shake


However like i said not everyone that decides to peruse such dubious content is a terrorist or going to become one, hence 50,000+ downloads of such material while a concern does not mean there are 50,000+ Jihadi fundamentalist doing the rounds in our towns and cities.

correct. i have a book of irish republican army geurilla warfare tactics on my shelf.
i am not a geurilla fighter....

good call on the hacker book too. i remember years ago i had several manuals and such like johnny i hack stuff and others but i have never even attempted to hack a single thing.

a reply to: AmatuerSkyWatcher

Well i lived in a predominately Muslim area for around 14 years only moving away last year and i think i only ever came across a few fundamentalist supporting persons that would tick the box.

Went to secondary school which was proportioned around half and half, grew up, went out, hung around together in mixed groups and only ever came across a few idiots.

Plenty of mild racism through on both sides, we called it banter.

Cant really be sure of anything really

But logical reasoning and personal experience suggests to me that Muslims are just like any other religious group, there are good and bad people, just like ever other walk of life really.

originally posted by: TinySickTears

originally posted by: AmatuerSkyWatcher

originally posted by: TinySickTears
a reply to: AmatuerSkyWatcher

I will get back to this later but I wanted to touch on something just to make a point.
You asked another member to stick to cold hard facts yet you don't do that yourself.
You said in your op you can't tell religion by IP address then you go on to say you imagine most of those downloads are from Muslim's.
My point is that's not a fact. I mean you looked at the book.
Sounds like something I would look at for the same thing reason I would look at the anarchist cookbook. That reason is definitely cause I want to blow # up and hurt people.

So yeah. Facts

Are you claiming that it's unlikely that the vast majority who viewed and downloaded the material are Muslims?

if i was claiming that i would have said that.
i was pointing out the fact that you asked another member to use nothing but cold hard facts and you didnt even do that. i also pointed out that in just this thread alone there is 1 person that is not muslim that did download the book(you) and another not muslim that would download the book(me)
just making a point that you numbers could very easily be off.
if all you wanted to discuss was cold hard facts then you should have used only cold hard facts....you didnt

I explained in my opening post that not all the downloads would of been from radicalised Muslims. What more can I do? Well over fifty thousand copies of that "literature" was downloaded in 3 months, in the UK alone. I cannot put a precise figure on exactly how many were Muslims. But common sense dictates the vast majority would be Muslim.

I also left the large number of under 13's and over 65's in the total number of Muslims in the UK, even though they are highly unlikely to commit a terrorist act.

If you have some suggestion how I can do more to make my findings more precise, I am all ears.

originally posted by: AmatuerSkyWatcher


If you have some suggestion how I can do more to make my findings more precise, I am all ears.

no i dont.
i was just making a point.
13 people have posted in this thread. 1 has downloaded the book and 1 would so i will call it 2.
so thats like 15% of people in this thread have downloaded the book.

i think that the percentage of non terrorists that downloaded the book may be more than you would expect.
curiosity takes people a long way...

sometimes people are weird like me and just want to have #. no other reason than just because.

when the prints for that first 3d printed gun hit the internet i downloaded it. i am not mr gun guy but not opposed either. definitely no intention of ever printing one. matter of fact i have never even opened the file..just wanted to make sure i had it.

i also used to collect computer viruses on mini disc. no other reason that i wanted them.
some people are just curious
come people like me are just #in weird
some people like to have what is 'taboo' or 'bad'

and to be fair i would think that yeah, there are terrorists or wannabe's that downloaded the book

originally posted by: TinySickTears

originally posted by: AmatuerSkyWatcher


If you have some suggestion how I can do more to make my findings more precise, I am all ears.

no i dont.
i was just making a point.
13 people have posted in this thread. 1 has downloaded the book and 1 would so i will call it 2.
so thats like 15% of people in this thread have downloaded the book.

i think that the percentage of non terrorists that downloaded the book may be more than you would expect.
curiosity takes people a long way...

sometimes people are weird like me and just want to have #. no other reason than just because.

when the prints for that first 3d printed gun hit the internet i downloaded it. i am not mr gun guy but not opposed either. definitely no intention of ever printing one. matter of fact i have never even opened the file..just wanted to make sure i had it.

i also used to collect computer viruses on mini disc. no other reason that i wanted them.
some people are just curious
come people like me are just #in weird
some people like to have what is 'taboo' or 'bad'

and to be fair i would think that yeah, there are terrorists or wannabe's that downloaded the book

So how many of that 54000 that downloaded the material would you say it was fair to assume they Muslim, and are very interested in the message there in, because they in some way subscribe to the ideologies of the authors?

originally posted by: AmatuerSkyWatcher

So how many of that 54000 that downloaded the material would you say it was fair to assume they Muslim, and are very interested in the message there in, because they in some way subscribe to the ideologies of the authors?

i cant say. there is no way for me to gauge it.

i will say i think that there are more people that downloaded it that do not subscribe to the ideologies versus people that do subscribe.
just an opinion

a reply to: AmatuerSkyWatcher

The solution, and the only solution, is to outlaw that religion.

Remove all practitioners from your country forever.

If you cannot or will not, you assume risk of future attacks.

That is all.

This to me is the real danger of the brain washing that's going on.

The MSM won't be honest, the government won't be honest and now we are left with a situation where some of the population won't hear anything against any form of Islam and others who want every muslim gone.

We need to confront the truth that there is a form of Islam that is a threat not just to us, but to the other forms of Islam also.

It is a nazi ideology yet we balk at the idea of rooting it out, destroying it and it's adherents. Then what happens? Ordinary people who pray in a particular way are lumped in with these animals.

Not all muslims are our enemies, but unless we exterminate the ones who are, they will be one day.

Not liking this at all.

"Personnel. The British Armed Forces are a professional force with a strength on 1 May 2016 of 153,470 UK Regulars and Gurkhas, 35,200 Volunteer Reserves and 8,160 "Other Personnel". This gives a total strength of 196,840 "UK Service Personnel".

That's just from a basic Google search. Now if as the OP says, 50,000 have been downloaded...not just read, but have actually hit the download button, and them spread and shown said download to 'brothers and sisters'...bit like the 100th monkey...then how much closer 'mam to man' are they to the equivalent of British troops?

a reply to: angelchemuel

I shouldn't worry too much, man for man they aren't a match for the blokes in the cookhouse, let alone anyone that did an infantry course or, more pertinently an average copper.

a reply to: SprocketUK

Yes...however look how many innocent lives could be taken out before one of our military guys get to these suicidal murdering fanatics.

On another note about the OP, maybe our security people are allowing this publication so they can track them? A sort of reverse psychology/double bluff type thing

originally posted by: angelchemuel
a reply to: SprocketUK

Yes...however look how many innocent lives could be taken out before one of our military guys get to these suicidal murdering fanatics.

On another note about the OP, maybe our security people are allowing this publication so they can track them? A sort of reverse psychology/double bluff type thing

There is certainly an argument there re tracking the IS magazine. And I would be surprised if there aren't a few folks in GCHQ monitoring such things.

As to your point about the risks to innocents, yeah, you do have a point.
It's reaching the stage where, if we carry on refusing to act decisively, then there will be a big butcher's bill to pay. That's kind of where I was going with the post I made earlier. That we need to stop being so shy about identifying the real enemies and prosecuting them with all the force we can muster, rather than pussyfoot around and allowing them to go on living amongst us.

Nice to see two other people from Gloucestershire with decent opinions in this thread. Where you from Sprocket?

originally posted by: AmatuerSkyWatcher
Nice to see two other people from Gloucestershire with decent opinions in this thread. Where you from Sprocket?

Hey Skywatcher, I'm actually from Hereford but these days I live just outside of Cheltenham. What about you?

originally posted by: angelchemuel
a reply to: SprocketUK

Yes...however look how many innocent lives could be taken out before one of our military guys get to these suicidal murdering fanatics.

On another note about the OP, maybe our security people are allowing this publication so they can track them? A sort of reverse psychology/double bluff type thing

That did cross my mind, but I'm sure I read somewhere that the 3000 known extremists living in the UK, who are on 24 hour round the clock surveillance costs the UK around £9Billion a year...

I'm pretty sure we don't have the money to be throwing around tracking all of those with radical tendencies. Case in point, the guy who attacked Westminster.