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How serious is the Jihadi threat to GB? 50K+ Download Jihadi mag

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posted on Mar, 23 2017 @ 09:39 AM
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Attention grabbing thread title eh? Welp, it is what it is. I wasn't exactly sure where this should be posted, so mods, if you feel it would be best served in other parts of the forum please move it, and I apologize for the inconvenience.

So what has inspired me to write this thread? I'm sure you all saw the news yesterday, after yet another Islamic Jihadi attack came to fruition, but this wasn't the reason I wrote this thread. Nor was it the reason, that on Saturday just past, I stood in the same exact spot as the terrorist attack, on the western footpath of Westminster bridge, and took photo's of my happy looking girlfriend and mother of my three children.

It was something I saw on social media that grabbed my attention more than anything else I had seen or been thinking about, and what it said is what inspired me to look into the claims, and what I found was quite shocking.


Before I link the video, I want to say firstly, this thread is not about the person in the video, it's not about his, mine or your political viewpoint. It's not about the circumstances in which he spoke (it could be construed as bad taste to air his views in this manner at such a time), it's not about an attack on a religion, your views on a religion or anything else apart from the cold, hard facts he purports are true.

Here is the video, please watch with an open mind. If you're unable to do so, please refrain from commenting on the thread. If you''re going to comment, at least make it with an educated opinion:




Quite the emotional argument. I get that, but let's take the emotion evoked from yesterdays events out of the discussion. It's easy to get caught up in outrage, for whatever reason.


One thing caught my attention more than anything else during that impassioned speech (you may or may not agree with). It was a claim that:


"driving your car, like this man has done, is exactly what Inspire magazine, which is Al Queda's magazine, was downloaded by fifty thousand British Muslims last year. Fifty thousand downloaded a terrorist manual in our country. Fifty thousand. Not ten! Not twenty! Fifty thousand!".



So, I did a bit of digging. Firstly I looked at what Inspire magazine was. Low and behold, it wasn't hard to find. A simple google search takes you to plenty of websites, where the PDF is freely available to download. What I found whilst having a quick browse, was exactly how this man described in the video. It's a terrorist manual, with instructions in how to carry out various "things", that I will not go into to too much details about. Needless to say, it's shocking that such material can be freely accessed so easily, without so much as web hosting services taking it down.


Next I looked into the claim that fifty thousand British Muslims had downloaded this material. Now, it's impossible to tell somebodies religion over the internet by simply looking at an IP address, so I'm sure not all the downloads were from Muslims, but, I should imagine the vast majority of downloads were from that religious group. It's just common sense to assume that. The total figure of downloads of the 2014 spring edition of Inspire magazine, from British I.P addresses, over a three month period were: 54,322. www.thesun.co.uk... . There are plenty of other articles and documents disclosing these findings. Check for yourself. I simply chose a tabloid many people here in the UK would see everyday, going about their business.


I thought to myself "well that certainly is quite a large number of people, I wonder what proportion of the Muslim population of the UK that amounts to?". So I looked.


Islam is the second largest religion in the United Kingdom, with results from the United Kingdom Census 2011 giving the UK Muslim population in 2011 as ~2,706,066, ~4.5% of the total population.
en.wikipedia.org...

As of January 2017: www.telegraph.co.uk...

So that's just over 3M Muslims currently living in the UK.

So I did a bit of math: Y = P% * X

It turns out that 54000 is 1.8% of 3000000, or nearly 2 in 50 (two in fifty). That is a high proportion of British Muslims downloading this material. It is also not taking into account those that have read the documentation after being handed it, in whatever form, from those who have downloaded it. It is encouraged in all the issues to "pass it on to your brothers and sisters".

It also does not include those who download and distribute other materials from other groups.


So I ask myself, and you the reader, that if a man with simply a car and two knives can carry out what happened yesterday, are we as a Nation vastly under estimating the Jihadi threat on our own doorstep?

Maybe not just in this country, but others in Europe and indeed throughout the world, where countries have a significant Muslim population, where Islam is not the main religion, as I assume the figures for such things would be similar there?


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posted on Mar, 23 2017 @ 09:44 AM
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a reply to: AmatuerSkyWatcher

All I can do is lend my support and nod in approval with what you are saying.




posted on Mar, 23 2017 @ 10:05 AM
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Interesting post. S&F.

What is also disturbing is that Google allows terrorist material to show up in their searches. With all of the moves by Goggle, Facebook, and Twitter to filter 'hate' content, what is their motivation for letting terroist manuals to flow freely? It's become painfully obvious that they are tied into the NWO globalists agenda.



posted on Mar, 23 2017 @ 10:08 AM
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a reply to: AmatuerSkyWatcher

The Mother-load of Polls

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One Third of British Muslim students support killing for Islam, 40% want Sharia law

ICM Poll: 13% of Muslim in Britain support al-Qaeda attacks on America

One Third of British Muslim students support killing for Islam

One third of British Muslims believe anyone who leaves Islam should be killed

78% of British Muslims support punishing the publishers of Muhammad cartoons

Hardcore Islamists comprise 9% of Britain's Muslim population; Another 29% would "aggressively defend" Islam

80% of young Dutch Muslims see nothing wrong with Holy War against non-believers. Most verbalized support for pro-Islamic State fighters.

24% of Muslim-Americans say that violence is justified against those who "offend Islam"

29% of Muslim-Americans agree that violence against those who insult Muhammad or the Quran is acceptable

62% of Muslims want Sharia in Canada (15% say make it mandatory)

Turkish Ministry of Education: 1 in 4 Turks Support Honor Killings

1 in 10 British Muslims support killing a family member over "dishonor"

91 percent of honor killings are committed by Muslims worldwide.

95% of honor killings in the West are perpetrated by Muslim fathers and brothers or their proxies

51% of British Muslims believe a woman cannot marry a non-Muslim

61% of British Muslims want homosexuality punished

62% of British Muslims do not believe in the protection of free speech;

58% of British Muslims believe insulting Islam should result in criminal prosecution

Only 7% of British Muslims think of themselves as British first (81% say 'Muslim' rather than 'Briton')

31% Muslims in Britain identify more with Muslims in other countries than with non-Muslim Brits.

42% of Canadian Muslims agree that Islam is "irreconcilable" with the West.

Muslims in Britain comprise 4% of the population but 11% of prisoners. Muslims in the Netherlands comprise 4% of the population but 20% of prisoners. Muslims in France comprise 10% of the population, but 70% of prisoners.


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posted on Mar, 23 2017 @ 10:13 AM
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originally posted by: infolurker
a reply to: AmatuerSkyWatcher

The Mother-load of Polls

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Thanks for posting those findings friend.

Given all the evidence, I find it hard not to come to certain realizations. Let's be honest here people, it's now a realization, whether you like it or not.

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posted on Mar, 23 2017 @ 10:16 AM
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originally posted by: bluesjr
Interesting post. S&F.

What is also disturbing is that Google allows terrorist material to show up in their searches. With all of the moves by Goggle, Facebook, and Twitter to filter 'hate' content, what is their motivation for letting terroist manuals to flow freely? It's become painfully obvious that they are tied into the NWO globalists agenda.


I appreciate your reply, but I'd ask that we keep this particular thread to cold , hard facts if you don't mind? I think your thoughts would make a great thread by themselves. I just want to keep this thread as far from convoluted as possible.

Those facts being that 1.8% of the Islamic population of the UK has downloaded terrorist manuals.

Sorry.
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posted on Mar, 23 2017 @ 10:20 AM
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I find it interesting, although incredibly hypocritical, that possessing a copy of The Anarchist Cookbook will land you in jail in the UK, but this publication is legal? What is this, if not simply the Islamic equivalent of The Anarchist Cookbook?

I just have a hard time wrapping my head around the idea that TAC is illegal, but this Inspire Magazine is just fine to possess...

If bomb-making instructions are illegal, then they should ALL be illegal. Inspire should not get a pass simply because it is attached to a religion. Bombs are bombs, and violence is violence, no matter the ideology attached to them.



posted on Mar, 23 2017 @ 10:26 AM
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originally posted by: DustbowlDebutante
I find it interesting, although incredibly hypocritical, that possessing a copy of The Anarchist Cookbook will land you in jail in the UK, but this publication is legal? What is this, if not simply the Islamic equivalent of The Anarchist Cookbook?

I just have a hard time wrapping my head around the idea that TAC is illegal, but this Inspire Magazine is just fine to possess...

If bomb-making instructions are illegal, then they should ALL be illegal. Inspire should not get a pass simply because it is attached to a religion. Bombs are bombs, and violence is violence, no matter the ideology attached to them.


Indeed. Just to be clear, the publication doesn't only explain how to create and use such things as explosives, it explains how to use everyday items and equipment as weapons.

Like driving a vehicle over people in public places for instance. EDIT: Look what has just happened www.bbc.co.uk...

But, we know what Islamic Jihadi's are like. What I find most disturbing is that 1.8% of the Muslim population in the UK has actively downloaded this material. Those 3M total population figures also include many young children. So it's looking like a significantly higher percentage of the adult Muslim population has read them. Think about that.

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posted on Mar, 23 2017 @ 10:31 AM
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The numbers you cite are certainly startling. You have to wonder if the numbers are similar here in the US.
I live about 40 miles away from Dearborn, MI that has a large population of Muslims but to my knowledge, there hasn't been a terror related attack around here.
I even have a few neighbors that are Muslim here where I live, they seem to be nice enough but I do not associate with them that much.
The guys in the video seem to have emotional viewpoints that are bordering on the extreme, but I think that what is going on is certainly a problem.
Be prepared for the Leftist onslaught of labeling this thread racist and xenophobic.
The bigger question is - how can this problem be solved?
I don't know.



posted on Mar, 23 2017 @ 10:33 AM
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I agree wholeheartedly. Ignoring the problem is not going to making it magicaly disappear into thin air. The dumb laughing bitch at the end of the clip is exactly one part of the problem. I nearly punched my TV because of her. It's pure madness and people like her made it all happen because of all that pc crap. Don't call them islamic terrorists because it is racist well f#ck you too. Civilians lost their lifes because of useless governemnt officials who think signaling virtue to garner sympathy for there agendas is more important than to protect there own citizens. F#ck all of them.

It's always the same mmo with this sort of attacks. The perpetrators are under constant surveilance and they still manage to wreak havoc most of the time. Of course muslim countries have there fair share of scumbags who blow themself up and we are supposed to weep for them but if the infidels die the same way many muslims unaffected cheer about it. This is #ed up. I saw some twitter posts with smiley faces right in front of the westminster bridge. It's time for all of them to choose a side. Either you are against radicals of all kind or you support them. You can't have it both ways.

I forgot to comment on the manual. I remember some cases where this manual was found in posession of suspects who planned attacks on german soil. Every person who downloaded this manual needs to be investigated asap.
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posted on Mar, 23 2017 @ 10:50 AM
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Actually that's 1.8%, not 18.

Nice edit.
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posted on Mar, 23 2017 @ 10:54 AM
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a reply to: NthOther

You beat me to it, I made a mistake in my math, and moved the decimal one place too many. I'm sorry folks.

It's still a high number, but far, far less than I made out. I apologise.



posted on Mar, 23 2017 @ 11:00 AM
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a reply to: AmatuerSkyWatcher

50K+ Downloads of any Jihadi rag may seem rather a lot.

But by that same logic we could be considered to be a nation of perverts and sex fiends down to the amount of porn that seems to move around on our servers on a daily basis.


Thing is just because some people have downloaded such tripe does not mean they will go on to commit terrorist acts. Rather a lot of the people who download such publications are possibly just curious as to the content.

Not something that interests me myself through.
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posted on Mar, 23 2017 @ 11:05 AM
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originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: AmatuerSkyWatcher

50K+ Downloads of any Jihadi rag may seem rather a lot.

But by that same logic we could be considered to be a nation of perverts and sex fiends down to the amount of porn that seems to moves around on our servers on a daily basis.


Thing is just because some people have downloaded such tripe does not mean they will go on to commit terrorist acts. Rather a lot of the people who download such publications are possibly just curious as to the content.

Not something that interests me myself through.


Did you just compare a manual that contains information how to plan and execute an terror attack with various weapons to porn? This makes no sense.
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posted on Mar, 23 2017 @ 11:09 AM
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No your interpretation is thus through.


The manner of the comparison is self evident.

Just because people download stupid articles that promote meaningless acts of depravity and violence does not mean they will go on to be terrorists.

What part do you disagree with or does not make sense?

Idiots you see, will be idiots.
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posted on Mar, 23 2017 @ 11:26 AM
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originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: Perfectenemy

No your interpretation is thus through.


The manner of the comparison is self evident.

Just because people download stupid articles that promote meaningless acts of depravity and violence does not mean they will go on to be terrorists.

What part do you disagree with or does not make sense?

Idiots you see, will be idiots.


I disagree. This manual promotes a dangerous radical ideology and paints a target on every persons back they deem as inferior. A more fitting comparison would be the book of Mein Kampf from Adolf Hitler. Besides i only suggested to investigate every person who downloaded that manual as a precaution. If they are all innocent then they surely wouldn't mind or do they?



posted on Mar, 23 2017 @ 11:32 AM
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I will get back to this later but I wanted to touch on something just to make a point.
You asked another member to stick to cold hard facts yet you don't do that yourself.
You said in your op you can't tell religion by IP address then you go on to say you imagine most of those downloads are from Muslim's.
My point is that's not a fact. I mean you looked at the book.
Sounds like something I would look at for the same thing reason I would look at the anarchist cookbook. That reason is definitely cause I want to blow # up and hurt people.

So yeah. Facts



posted on Mar, 23 2017 @ 11:37 AM
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originally posted by: TinySickTears
a reply to: AmatuerSkyWatcher

I will get back to this later but I wanted to touch on something just to make a point.
You asked another member to stick to cold hard facts yet you don't do that yourself.
You said in your op you can't tell religion by IP address then you go on to say you imagine most of those downloads are from Muslim's.
My point is that's not a fact. I mean you looked at the book.
Sounds like something I would look at for the same thing reason I would look at the anarchist cookbook. That reason is definitely cause I want to blow # up and hurt people.

So yeah. Facts


Are you claiming that it's unlikely that the vast majority who viewed and downloaded the material are Muslims?



posted on Mar, 23 2017 @ 11:43 AM
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Those figures truly are quite alarming, if this doesn't make you open your eyes and realize how much of a threat radical Islam really is then nothing will.

The switch to using vehicles and bladed weapons etc... means these terror attacks are a lot more difficult to detect, this is going to happen again no doubt about it.

There is some REALLY sobering figures and thoughts to process, also would like to add well thought out thread op.

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