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Learning to walk (to the Moon) all over again.

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posted on Feb, 6 2005 @ 10:21 PM
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This is a question asked to NASA about the protection of the astronuts from the radiation of the sun Question to NASA #1
I am curious to know what the effects of solar radiation have on space craft after they leave the protection of the Van Allen belt. How much protection do they need and how long could an astronaut survive in and out of his craft?
Now read Nasa's answer AND the FACTS about all the Apollo missions NASA's answer (extract)
In the 1960s, NASA asked Oak Ridge National Laboratory to predict how astronauts and other materials would be affected by exposure to both the Earth's Van Allen radiation belts and the Sun's radiation. Oak Ridge biologists sent bacteria and blood samples into space and exposed small animals to radiation. They concluded that proper shielding would be key to successful flight not only for living organisms, but for electronic instrumentation as well. To develop shielding for the Apollo crews, Oak Ridge researchers recycled the Lab's Tower Shielding Facility, which had hoisted shielding experiments aloft for the 1950s nuclear-plane project.

Aulis note: No such 'proper shielding' was actually provided on the Apollo missions. This is just some of the REAL Hard question's that NASA AND Moon landing believer's don't ask nor get the answer, why because the real life FACTS will dictate that the LM on the moon MUST HAVE been FAKE.

If the actual Apollo missions were real why did Astronaut Dr. Brain O'Leary say this If some of the film was spoiled, it's remotely possible they [NASA] may have shot some scenes in a studio environment to avoid embarrassment."

Dr Brian O'Leary, astronaut


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posted on Feb, 7 2005 @ 09:34 AM
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Originally posted by SiberianTiger

If the actual Apollo missions were real why did Astronaut Dr. Brain O'Leary say this If some of the film was spoiled, it's remotely possible they [NASA] may have shot some scenes in a studio environment to avoid embarrassment."



I believe the reasoning behind that was they needed something to show the world that they had been there - IF the film or camera was damaged.
However this proved unnecesary as they returned the film successfully.

As for all your other crap, it's obvious you aren't reading the sources people are putting up - obviously you are one to embrace ingnorance

Your argumants however are getting very tired. Try reading a few books which have more words than pictures, you might start learning


This seems to have more to do with your underlying dislike for Americans - not just on this thread.



posted on Feb, 7 2005 @ 06:54 PM
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What is the tempeture on the surface of the moon please?



posted on Feb, 7 2005 @ 08:58 PM
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Originally posted by SiberianTiger
What is the tempeture on the surface of the moon please?


Mean surface temperature (day) 107°C
Mean surface temperature (night) -153°C

I know where you are going. Believe me that has all been covered before. Your buddy Shai got de-pantsed thoroughly in this this post. The funny thing about it is he does it all to himself! He debunks himself in his own "proof."




posted on Feb, 8 2005 @ 01:08 AM
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Now tell me something, what would happen on the moon's surface if I were to (I already know the answer I just want everyone to see you don't know that much about space, vacume, atmosphere etc...) drop a piece of paper on the moon's surface ( the surface where it is 265 Degrees of heat?)

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E_T

posted on Feb, 8 2005 @ 04:46 AM
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Originally posted by SiberianTiger
Now tell me something, what would happen on the moon's surface if I were to (I already know the answer I just want everyone to see you don't know that much about space, vacume, atmosphere etc...) drop a piece of paper on the moon's surface ( the surface where it is 265 Degrees of heat?)
Even if surface temperature would be higher than paper's ignition temperature that wouldn't make ignition of it sure.
Same way like you can sit in 100 C sauna easily for quarter hour but if you sit to 100 C steel plate you get burned a*s very fast. That's because wood isn't good heat conductor and it can't transfer enough heat and fast enough to cause burns while 50 C metal plate would be easily capable to that. (cells can't take much over 40C temperature without taking damage)
In case of moon surface consists from (very angular sharp edged) particles with vacuum between them making dust good insulator so only thin surface layer is hot and leading to small total amount of heat energy.
Also unless you intentionally press paper to surface radiation is almost only way surface can heat it and (white) paper would be bad at absorbting heat radiation.

But for start there's bigger problem before more closer examination of subject is required... called as maximum temperature of surface (being much below paper's ignition temperature)
www.solarviews.com...
hypertextbook.com...


PS. There isn't such thing as "degrees of heat"... exposing your knowledge level to those capable to thinking.



posted on Feb, 8 2005 @ 02:39 PM
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Well actually it wouldn’t ignite because combustion is a chemical reaction with that requires oxygen. I suppose that, depending on the presence of acids or other chemical contaminants on the paper itself, you might see some deterioration of the paper fibers.

If any chemical compounds in the paper are sensitive to ultraviolet, you might see some reactions as a result of hat. It would depend on the specific compound.

And yes E_T, the term ”degrees of heat,” is rather stupid. I doubt SiberianTiger understands that there is a difference between temperature and heat. I would also bet that he has never wondered how a thermos bottle works.



posted on Feb, 8 2005 @ 03:45 PM
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WOW!I LIKE THAT CHALLENGE AND JUST FOR THAT REMARK I'LL give you an expert who will PROOVE what would happen to people who used the LM flying to the moon and using that thermos example, by the way thanks for addmiting the moon surface is hot IT IS 265F NOT 265 C, if you go to any book store and look at a book called "Moon Landing" in there it has a picture of Buzz Aldrine he takes a photograph of him and his wife and son puts it into a plastic bag puts rocks in the plastic bag and places it on the surface of the moon, if he was really on the moon and used that normal plastic bag (it was like a ziplock bag) it would have melted or burned up how ever plastic would detiriorate in a vacume in full absorbent of the sun's rays with no Van Allen Belt to protect it. Now here's that Example I was talking about :
To make interstellar travel believable NASA was created. The Apollo Space Program foisted the idea that man could travel to, and walk upon, the moon. Every Apollo mission was carefully rehearsed and then filmed in large sound stages at the Atomic Energy Commissions Top Secret test site in the Nevada Desert and in a secured and guarded sound stage at the Walt Disney Studios within which was a huge scale mock-up of the moon.

All names, missions, landing sites, and events in the Apollo Space Program echoed the occult metaphors, rituals, and symbology of the Illuminati's secret religion. The most transparent was the faked explosion on the spacecraft Apollo 13, named "Aquarius" (new age) at 1:13 (1313 military time) on April 13, 1970 which was the metaphor for the initiation ceremony involving the death (explosion), placement in the coffin (period of uncertainty of their survival), communion with the spiritual world and the imparting of esoteric knowledge to the candidate (orbit and observation of the moon without physical contact), rebirth of the initiate (solution of problem and repairs), and the raising up (of the Phoenix, the new age of Aquarius) by the grip of the lions paw (reentry and recovery of Apollo 13). 13 is the number of death and rebirth, death and reincarnation, sacrifice, the Phoenix, the Christ (perfected soul imprisoned in matter), and the transition from the old to the new. Another revelation to those who understand the symbolic language of the Illuminati is the hidden meaning of the names of the Space Shuttles, "A Colombian Enterprise to Endeavor for the Discovery of Atlantis... and all Challengers shall be destroyed."

Exploration of the moon stopped because it was impossible to continue the hoax without being ultimately discovered. And of course they ran out of pre-filmed episodes.

No man has ever ascended higher than 300 miles, if that high, above the Earth's surface. No man has ever orbited, landed on, or walked upon the moon in any publicly known space program. If man has ever truly been to the moon it has been done in secret and with a far different technology.

The tremendous radiation encountered in the Van Allen Belt, solar radiation, cosmic radiation, temperature control, and many other problems connected with space travel prevent living organisms leaving our atmosphere with our known level of technology. Any intelligent high school student with a basic physics book can prove NASA faked the Apollo moon landings

If you doubt this please explain how the astronauts walked upon the moons surface enclosed in a space suit in full sunlight absorbing a minimum of 265 degrees of heat surrounded by a vacuum. NASA tells us the moon has no atmosphere and that the astronauts were surrounded by the vacuum of space.

Heat is defined as the vibration or movement of molecules within matter. The faster the molecular motion the higher the temperature. The slower the molecular motion the colder the temperature. Absolute zero is that point where all molecular motion ceases. In order to have hot or cold molecules must be present.

A vacuum is a condition of nothingness where there are no molecules. Vacuums exist in degrees. Some scientists tell us that there is no such thing as an absolute vacuum. Space is the closest thing to an absolute vacuum that is known to us. There are so few molecules present in most areas of what we know as "space" that any concept of "hot" or "cold" is impossible to measure. A vacuum is a perfect insulator. That is why a "Thermos" or vacuum bottle is used to store hot or cold liquids in order to maintain the temperature for the longest time possible without re-heating or re-cooling.

Radiation of all types will travel through a vacuum but will not affect the vacuum. Radiant heat from the sun travels through the vacuum of space but does not "warm" space. In fact the radiant heat of the sun has no affect whatsoever until it strikes matter. Molecular movement will increase in direct proportion to the radiant energy which is absorbed by matter. The time it takes to heat matter exposed to direct sunlight in space is determined by its color, its elemental properties, its distance from the sun, and its rate of absorption of radiant heat energy. Space is NOT hot. Space is NOT cold.

Objects which are heated cannot be cooled by space. In order for an object to cool it must first be removed from direct sunlight. Objects which are in the shadow of another object will eventually cool but not because space is "cold". Space is not cold. Hot and cold do not exist in the vacuum of space. Objects cool because the laws of motion dictate that the molecules of the object will slow down due to the resistance resulting from striking other molecules until eventually all motion will stop provided the object is sheltered from the direct and/or indirect radiation of the sun and that there is no other source of heat. Since the vacuum of space is the perfect insulator objects take a very long time to cool even when removed from all sources of heat, radiated or otherwise.

NASA insists the space suits the astronauts supposedly wore on the lunar surface were air conditioned. An air conditioner cannot, and will not work without a heat exchanger. A heat exchanger simply takes heat gathered in a medium such as freon from one place and transfers it to another place. This requires a medium of molecules which can absorb and transfer the heat such as an atmosphere or water. An air conditioner will not and cannot work in a vacuum. A space suit surrounded by a vacuum cannot transfer heat from the inside of the suit to any other place. The vacuum, remember, is a perfect insulator. A man would roast in his suit in such a circumstance.

NASA claims the spacesuits were cooled by a water system which was piped around the body, then through a system of coils sheltered from the sun in the backpack. NASA claims that water was sprayed on the coils causing a coating of ice to form. The ice then supposedly absorbed the tremendous heat collected in the water and evaporated into space. There are two problems with this that cannot be explained away. 1) The amount of water needed to be carried by the astronauts in order to make this work for even a very small length of time in the direct 55 degrees over the boiling point of water (210 degrees F at sea level on Earth) heat of the sun could not have possibly been carried by the astronauts. 2) NASA has since claimed that they found ice in moon craters. NASA claims that ice sheltered from the direct rays of the sun will NOT evaporate destroying their own bogus "air conditioning" explanation.

Remember this. Think about it the next time you go off in the morning with a "vacuum bottle" filled with hot coffee. Think about it long and hard when you sit down and pour a piping hot cup from your thermos to drink with your lunch four hours later... and then think about it again when you pour the last still very warm cup of coffee at the end of the day.

The same laws of physics apply to any vehicle traveling through space. NASA claims that the spacecraft was slowly rotated causing the shadowed side to be cooled by the intense cold of space... an intense cold that DOES NOT EXIST. In fact the only thing that could have been accomplished by a rotation of the spacecraft is a more even and constant heating such as that obtained by rotating a hot dog on a spit. In reality a dish called Astronaut a la Apollo would have been served. At the very least you would not want to open the hatch upon the crafts return.

NASA knows better than to claim, in addition, that a water cooling apparatus such as that which they claim cooled the astronauts suits cooled the spacecraft. No rocket could ever have been launched with the amount of water needed to work such a system for even a very short period of time. Fresh water weighs a little over 62 lbs. per cubic foot. Space and weight capacity were critical given the lift capability of the rockets used in the Apollo Space Program. No such extra water was carried by any mission whatsoever for suits or for cooling the spacecraft.

On the tapes the Astronauts complained bitterly of the cold during their journey and while on the surface of the moon. They spoke of using heaters that did not give off enough heat to overcome the intense cold of space. It was imperative that NASA use this ruse because to tell the truth would TELL THE TRUTH. It is also proof of the arrogance and contempt in which the Illuminati holds the common man.

What we heard is in reality indicative of an over zealous cooling system in the props used during the filming of the missions at the Atomic Energy Commissions Nevada desert test site, where it is common to see temperatures well over 100 degrees. In the glaring unfiltered direct heat of the sun the Astronauts could never have been cold at any time whatsoever in the perfect insulating vacuum of space.

NASA claims that the space suits worn by the astronauts were pressurized at 5 psi over the ambient pressure (0 psi vacuum) on the moon's surface. We have examined the gloves NASA claims the astronauts wore and find they are made of pliable material containing no mechanical, hydraulic, or electrical devices which would aid the astronauts in the dexterous use of their fingers and hands while wearing the gloves. Experiments prove absolutely that such gloves are impossible to use and that the wearer cannot bend the wrist or fingers to do any dexterous work whatsoever when filled with 5 psi over ambient pressure either in a vacuum or in the earth's atmosphere. NASA actually showed film and television footage of astronauts using their hands and fingers normally during their EVAs on the so-called lunar surface. The films show clearly that there is no pressure whatsoever within the gloves... a condition that would have caused explosive decompression of the astronauts resulting in almost immediate death if they had really been surrounded by the vacuum of space.

If you don't believe it try it yourself... it is a very simple experiment and does not require a rocket scientist to perform. These are just two of over a hundred very simple and very easy to prove valid scientific reasons why NASA and the Apollo Space Program are two of the biggest lies ever foisted upon the unsuspecting and trusting People of the world.

In addition most, if not all, of the photos, films, and videotape of the Apollo Moon Missions are easily proven to be fake. Anyone with the slightest knowledge of photography, lighting, and physics can easily prove that NASA faked the visual records of the Apollo Space Program. Some are so obviously fake that when the discrepancies are pointed out to unsuspecting viewers an audible gasp has been heard. Some have actually gone into a mild state of shock. Some People break down and cry. I have seen others become so angry that they have ripped the offending photos to shreds while screaming incoherently.

C. Fred Kleinknect, head of NASA at the time of the Apollo Space Program, is now the Sovereign Grand Commander of the Council of the 33rd Degree of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry of the Southern Jurisdiction. It was his reward for pulling it off. All of the first astronauts were Freemasons. There is a photograph in the House of the Temple in Washington DC of Neil Armstrong on the moons surface (supposedly) in his spacesuit holding his Masonic Apron in front of his groin.

The effect upon the people of the world was, that if we could go to the moon other creatures from other worlds could travel to our Earth. The escalation of the artificial alien threat scenario since that time is obvious.

The recent revelations of the fraudulent nature of NASA and the Apollo space program by the Intelligence Service and others has resulted in a flood of propaganda, television programs, and films designed to keep the sheople trapped in a deep ignorant sleep. The most ambitious are "Apollo 13" and "From the Earth to the Moon", both involving the actor/producer Tom Hanks. The latter opens with a monologue by Mr. Hanks who walks forward revealing a huge representation of the "God" Apollo (Sun, Osiris, lost word, etc.) guiding his chariot pulled by 4 horses through the heavens.


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posted on Feb, 8 2005 @ 07:30 PM
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Hi Tiger!

i know you from the "the driver shot JFK"-thread. why dont you spend some of your time(you obviously have a lot of it) for learning how to post and edit images. that would make it easier for us to follow your strange claims.

Anyway i begin to think you are either a troll or a little bit deluded. the "the driver shot jfk_theory" and the "moonlanding_hoax" are both very old hat and debunked. whats your next topic of interest? chemtrails?

hi to Et, your a good guy always great to read your comments!



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posted on Feb, 8 2005 @ 08:03 PM
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Originally posted by SiberianTiger
I have seen others become so angry that they have ripped the offending photos to shreds while screaming incoherently.


Why does it seem to me, that that statement sums up the mental makeup of those who believe that the landings were a hoax?




posted on Feb, 8 2005 @ 08:21 PM
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zzzzz

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posted on Feb, 8 2005 @ 08:24 PM
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Look at the space siuts the astroNUTS supposedly wore on the moon go to Huston and look at it, then look at the Lunar Module replica, you can clearly see none of those NUTS could have exited the L.M. wearing those space siuts, plus the flag was a simple Nylon flag you can buy here on Earth it was not some special NASA flag, it (The Flag) could not survived the Nonatmosheric temprater on the sun's rays on the moon it would have disintegrated 2. on one of the Missions the flag completely fell on the supposed moon's ground touching the surface if that was the real moon's 265 F surface the flag would have disintagrated.


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posted on Feb, 8 2005 @ 09:16 PM
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www.sccfd.org...



ST, how about giving me your opinion on this as it relates to your heat / temperature theory? or this one?

in other-words, how is it that we can make firefighter gear that can withstand high radiant heat loads, but NASA couldn't make a space suit?


Also, Ed white would have been exposed to the same light while on his famous space walk

Is this photo a fake also?





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posted on Feb, 8 2005 @ 09:45 PM
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Again The Sun's rays outside of the V.A.B. are 200-300 times more powerful than any fire on earth and the space suite's the astroNUTS wore on Apollo 11 would not survive on the moon's surface, now think about this when USA invents a new airplane or a new something that will take people there are hundreds if not thousands of tests done before people fly the thing invented, with no test done with robots going in the Rockets/Lunar Module to the moon, landind on the moon and being there for long pieriods of time, U.S. Gov-NASA wants people to beleive Armstrong/Aldrine/Glenn would have really voluteered to leave earths orbit and go clear outside of the earth's Van Allen's Belt, hahahaha I asure you no one even NASA officials would have did that nor have they EVER did that with the 1960's technology they showed on t.v. supposedly on the moon. p.s. would YOU voluteered to go knowing NO test what so even were EVER done leaving the V.A.B. ? Ed White is under the Van Allen Belt, the former Russian space station MIR and the now ISS are all under the Van Allen Belt.
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posted on Feb, 8 2005 @ 09:55 PM
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Well Tiger which story is it?

This one?


Originally posted by SiberianTiger

No man has ever ascended higher than 300 miles, if that high, above the Earth's surface. No man has ever orbited, landed on, or walked upon the moon in any publicly known space program. If man has ever truly been to the moon it has been done in secret and with a far different technology.

The tremendous radiation encountered in the Van Allen Belt, solar radiation, cosmic radiation, temperature control, and many other problems connected with space travel prevent living organisms leaving our atmosphere with our known level of technology. Any intelligent high school student with a basic physics book can prove NASA faked the Apollo moon landings



Or this one?


Originally posted by SiberianTiger
This is what I was trying to get at in my other post Russia HAS a military Base on the Dark side of the moon, read Dr. Beter's articles I beleive there are colonize on other planets but the Apollo missions were fake they Rus/U.S. went to the moon and other planets with much higher tech than what they show, P.S. What's the tempreture on the moon's surface?By the way what is the NTGEO channel?

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You should really try to keep them straight.

If space flight outside 300 miles is impossible how did Russia put a moon base on the "Dark Side" of the moon?



posted on Feb, 8 2005 @ 10:00 PM
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Go back and read what I posted because you havent caught me contradicting myself I said Rus/U.S. went to the moon "BUT" useing different Technology you didn't catch me contradicting myself.



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posted on Feb, 8 2005 @ 10:22 PM
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ST, What wavelength of radiation are you talking about that are so much more powerfull than any fire on earth?

fires on Earth can reach temperatures much higher then the temperature on the moon, yet now you are saying thatthey are higher? how is that? Can you back that up with bone fide research data?



posted on Feb, 8 2005 @ 10:46 PM
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DUDE YOU LIKE NEED TO LIKE SLOOOWWWW DOWN IN YOUR READING of what I'm saying man cuz your majorly misreading what I write man, what I am trying to say is, out side of the Van Allen Belt the radiation and heat of the sun is way more powerful than a fire burning in your fire place and no fire fighters uniform will be able to stand the heat of the sun's rays out side of the Van Allen's Belt.



posted on Feb, 9 2005 @ 10:46 AM
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You are mixing things up. Please try to define what you are talking about in these various posts. Are you talking about ionizing radiation or thermal radiation?

Lets stick to the temperature issue for now. The maximum surface temperature is about 123 degrees C (or about 253 degreees F). Are you saying that the radiant temperature flux from an oil field fire is not as high as that?



posted on Feb, 9 2005 @ 12:58 PM
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This is what I'm saying the fire fighter's suits that you put up remember you posted will not protecet AstroNUTS (if they wore them) out side of the Van Allen Belt, thats what I'm trying to say, Buzz Aldrine put his family photograph "supposedly" on the surface of the moon what prooves it was fake moon landing is that photo would TOTALY Disintigrate if it was really on the moon's surface, the U.S. Flag fell completly over on the ground of the moon in one of your American (masonic to if you ask me but that's another topic) Apollo missions it was a regular flag you get at any store it wasn't a special NASA Flag now if the were on the moon and the flag really fell it would have disintegrated after touching the 265 degree ground ( actually it would not survive outside of the VAB in the vacum of space absorbing sun's rays on top of that to touch the moon's surface and not disintegrat is so impossable, we know it was not really on the moon, THATS WHAT I'm saying.



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