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Trump Wiretap Confirmed "Incidental Collection" Becomes the Scapegoat for the Lying Media

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posted on Mar, 22 2017 @ 03:59 PM
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a reply to: Dfairlite

What you don't seem to understand is that everything Nunes said is bad for Trump and has no baring on Obama. Your spin is making it worse for him in fact. Being tapped due to incidental collection is NOT good.




posted on Mar, 22 2017 @ 04:01 PM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

No, it's not bad for Trump. I know you hope it is, but it's not. ANY FOREIGNER CAN BE SURVEILLED. They don't need to be a criminal. I know you believe that's how it works, but it's simply not.
edit on 22-3-2017 by Dfairlite because: (no reason given)



posted on Mar, 22 2017 @ 04:01 PM
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a reply to: Dfairlite

And? So? Trump Tower is owned by an American and is located in NYC. What does surveying foreigners have to do with this discussion outside of you pitching a cheap deflection?



posted on Mar, 22 2017 @ 04:02 PM
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The social media warriors are already ripping Nunes to shreds. I thought they liked this guy?



posted on Mar, 22 2017 @ 04:03 PM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

Other than it makes Comey a liar. Using the type of logic that got Sessions recused, anyway.

Im not a fan of begging the question, but the logic seems acceptable so I wonder....what was Comey hiding by not disclosing that detail when he gave his dismissive answer?

Not that this is how i view it....but I think absurdity should be highlighted when you can.



posted on Mar, 22 2017 @ 04:04 PM
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Shiff the co-chair of the intelligence committee, is saying that Trump's accusations of being wiretapped are just as baseless now as they were two weeks ago.



posted on Mar, 22 2017 @ 04:06 PM
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originally posted by: Dfairlite
Well, there you have it folks. Trumps wires were tapped. Plain as day. Incidental collection is part of the terminology used for executing FISA warrants. As the FISA court is unable to authorize wiretapping of American Citizens, those communications must be incidental and are supposed to be minimalized and deleted. So basically Trump was 100% correct about this.



JUST IN: Devin Nunes says President Trump's personal communications may have been picked up by investigators through "incidental collection"


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NUNES CONFIRMS THIS WAS DONE WITH A FISA WARRANT LINK< br />
ETA: The FISA warrant will be coming out Friday. Left is about to get REKT.


More word games from Comey. Just need to word the questions properly if you want real answers. smh



posted on Mar, 22 2017 @ 04:06 PM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

Because you can use any foreigner to get to any American with foreign contacts.

But Nune's says this information is not actual foreign intelligence, yet it was retained and disseminated.



posted on Mar, 22 2017 @ 04:09 PM
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a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

Comey didn't lie even if this is true. At no point was a wiretap authorized or carried out on Trump Tower. That is what Comey said, and it is true. That also has nothing to do with incidental collection.



posted on Mar, 22 2017 @ 04:10 PM
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originally posted by: Dfairlite
a reply to: Krazysh0t

Because you can use any foreigner to get to any American with foreign contacts.

But Nune's says this information is not actual foreign intelligence, yet it was retained and disseminated.

Irrelevant. The fact is that Trump and his crew weren't the targets of the surveillance in question so nothing illegal went down in regards to wiretapping or surveillance. No matter how much you want to pretend otherwise.



posted on Mar, 22 2017 @ 04:11 PM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Dfairlite
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Incidental collection
from NSA Glossary (2016)
by National Security Agency Central Security Service

When communications of a US citizen are collected while targeting a foreigner or a US person who is believed to be involved in terrorism.


In other words, all Nunes is saying is that IF Trump Tower ended up being tapped it was due to incidental collection from someone at Trump Tower contacting someone already under surveillance by the IC. And that is an if too. You seem to have failed to acknowledge that Nunes said that Trump Tower MAY have been under surveillance due to incidental collection.

All-in-all you have nothing. Though I see it isn't stopping you from declaring Obama guilty as sin (despite having zero evidence to convict him of anything).


Then why wasn't the information destroyed as to the rules of the fisa warrent with incidental collection? Why are their many documents relating to incidental collection in regards to trumps picks. Also why is an american unmasked in a leaked document that directly relates to the russian collusion case. Isn't the reason flynn was rejected is because he lied under oath about him meeting with russian ambassador? Yes you can say its due to him lying under oath however how did the democrats know about the document if its an active investigatio they dont have access to? Also why was said document leaked to the press? Lol keep telling yourself that this proves nothing buddy boy it proves a lot as its being discussed with the president right now!



posted on Mar, 22 2017 @ 04:11 PM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Dfairlite
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Incidental collection
from NSA Glossary (2016)
by National Security Agency Central Security Service

When communications of a US citizen are collected while targeting a foreigner or a US person who is believed to be involved in terrorism.


In other words, all Nunes is saying is that IF Trump Tower ended up being tapped it was due to incidental collection from someone at Trump Tower contacting someone already under surveillance by the IC. And that is an if too. You seem to have failed to acknowledge that Nunes said that Trump Tower MAY have been under surveillance due to incidental collection.

All-in-all you have nothing. Though I see it isn't stopping you from declaring Obama guilty as sin (despite having zero evidence to convict him of anything).


You left out the part where Nunes said that some of it was clearly incidental but that other portions were concerning enough that he was headed over to talk to Donald. Suggesting this is a done deal is not for sure and the situation is developing. Keep an open mind, the Trump supporters may have something here.



posted on Mar, 22 2017 @ 04:13 PM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

LOL. Ok, so 2020 comes around, it's all good and well for president trump to be listening in on every call made between the Dem candidate and any foreigners?



posted on Mar, 22 2017 @ 04:14 PM
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Can't tell anybody anything without it being scooped up, propagandized and twisted to suit an agenda, preference, or desire....

And this entire thread is about nothing that makes any difference at all.



posted on Mar, 22 2017 @ 04:15 PM
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a reply to: MyHappyDogShiner

Keep soothing yourself with that type of thought process.



posted on Mar, 22 2017 @ 04:22 PM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

Regardless of whether this was "legal" or not, when you look at the big picture it's pretty obvious what the intent was here. The "Trump makes crazy unsubstantiated claims of wiretapping" narrative is collapsing much like the "Trump in collusion with Russia" narrative is in shambles. Just looking at this objectively. Then there were those pesky directives Obama announced to his pawns on his way out. Hard to believe anyone takes the MSM or the Obama camp seriously anymore. Even Fox is questionable! LOL



posted on Mar, 22 2017 @ 04:23 PM
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It's absolutely hilarious how supporters try to spin this news. How can you possibly take what was reported and come up with that reasoning? There is absolutely nothing there that backs up Trumps ridiculous claims. He didn't make generalized tweets about being tapped. He made very specific claims against Obama, comparing it to Nixon and Watergate.

He has proven nothing, nor has the media, to dismiss his claims.



posted on Mar, 22 2017 @ 04:31 PM
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It was already pretty clear that at the very least Michael Flynn was caught up in surveillance of Ambassador Kislyak. Isn't that how he was exposed for lying in the first place? The same would be true of any other Trump staffer who called Kislyak or any other Russians who are under surveillance by our intelligence agencies.

Trumpkins are trying really hard to turn surveillance of Russians into surveillance of Trump staffers into surveillance of Trump himself — and ordered by President Obama himself to boot.

What an absurd display of forceful ignorance from cult members.



posted on Mar, 22 2017 @ 04:33 PM
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originally posted by: Dfairlite
a reply to: Krazysh0t

LOL. Ok, so 2020 comes around, it's all good and well for president trump to be listening in on every call made between the Dem candidate and any foreigners?


No, if that were to happen, Krazyshot would become hysterical and call Trump a Nazi.



posted on Mar, 22 2017 @ 04:34 PM
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This whole thing means nothing,meanwhile ISIS attacks London,North Korea getting more wreckless,Syria war rages on and Ukraine and Russia still fighting and in a war.MSM seems to think they live way back in the 50's and 60's.The leaders of governments pretend like terrorism can be stopped by civilians being vigilant.Beyond stupid anymore to listen to the crap anymore.It is obvious this will lead to all out war eventually.



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