It looks like you're using an Ad Blocker.

Please white-list or disable AboveTopSecret.com in your ad-blocking tool.

Thank you.

 

Some features of ATS will be disabled while you continue to use an ad-blocker.

 

Trump Wiretap Confirmed "Incidental Collection" Becomes the Scapegoat for the Lying Media

page: 18
113
<< 15  16  17    19  20  21 >>

log in

join
share:

posted on Mar, 22 2017 @ 10:53 PM
link   

originally posted by: WhereAreTheGoodguys
a reply to: Greven

Its all semantics. But hang your hat on that. We will see how this unfolds.

You're right its not hard. And like SBMcG posted did you notice it was in Quotes""" ? What's that all about?? Ponder that mystery.. But in the end someone has to be right and wrong on all levels , that means me and you too.


Hi. There was a different tweet than the "wire tap" one:

How low has President Obama gone to tapp my phones during the very sacred election process. This is Nixon/Watergate. Bad (or sick) guy!"

This is quite specific, more so with the Watergate reference.




posted on Mar, 22 2017 @ 10:55 PM
link   

originally posted by: SBMcG
a reply to: Greven

Yeah, you're proving my point.

YOU have been trolled, triggered, and will be left wondering where it all went so wrong.

Just like Bill Clinton's idiot wife.

Trolled/triggered? I suppose it's a waste of my time, but I'll say it once more:

Person says X happened
Other person says X didn't happen
People here say instead that Person meant Y

This is all fairly straightforward. The fact that you have no response to this is telling:

originally posted by: Greven
Trump tweeted that his phone was tapped.
Nunes said that no wiretap was found.
People here are now saying Trump meant surveillance, even though he claimed wiretapping.

This is really quite funny at this point.

Trump tweeted that P was done.
Nunes says that no P was found.
People here are now saying Trump meant Q, even though he claimed P.

I'll fall back to the analogy from earlier, because it's also funny:
Trump tweeted that there was a lion.
Nunes said that no lion was found.
People here are now saying Trump meant house cat, even though he claimed lion.

edit on 22Wed, 22 Mar 2017 22:57:27 -0500America/ChicagovAmerica/Chicago3 by Greven because: (no reason given)



posted on Mar, 22 2017 @ 10:56 PM
link   
Consider your source Grambler. NewsMax and Zerohedge. For all we know, your link was all made up like many other right wing sites.


originally posted by: Grambler
I posted this on another thread.

If what this whistle blower is saying is true, this may devestate Obama, the enitrie inteligence community, and people on all sides of the aisle.

For those who don't want to read, a whistle blower reported 2 years agon proof that Trump, many other prominent citizens, even many judges and even Supreme court justices have been illegally spied on for black mail.

Says he has over 600 million documents and 40 harddrives to prove this, and despite showing the FBI this 2 years ago, nothing has been done about it.


The same day House Intelligence Committee chairman Devin Nunes gave a press conference disclosing that President Trump had been under "incidental surveillance," Attorney and FreedomWatch Chairman, Larry Klayman, sent a letter to the House Committee on Intelligence imploring them to pursue the claims and evidence presented under oath at a Washington DC FBI Field Office by his client - CIA / NSA Whistleblower Dennis Montgomery - who Klayman claims "holds the keys to disproving the false claims... ...that there is no evidence that the president and his men were wiretapped"

When Montgomery attempted to deliver this information through the appropriate channels two years ago, the former CIA and NSA contractor wasn't given the time of day:

[W]hen Montgomery came forward as a whistleblower to congressional intelligence committees and various other congressmen and senators, including Senator Charles Grassley, Chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, who, like Comey, once had a reputation for integrity, he was “blown off;” no one wanted to even hear what he had to say.

As a result, Montgomery went to attorney and FreedomWatch founder Larry Klayman - who then approached the FBI:

Under grants of immunity, which I obtained through Assistant U.S. Attorney Deborah Curtis, Montgomery produced the hard drives and later was interviewed under oath in a secure room at the FBI Field Office in the District of Columbia. There he laid out how persons like then-businessman Donald Trump were illegally spied upon by Clapper, Brennan, and the spy agencies of the Obama administration.

Montgomery left the NSA and CIA with 47 hard drives and over 600 million pages of information, much of which is classified, and sought to come forward legally as a whistleblower to appropriate government entities, including congressional intelligence committees, to expose that the spy agencies were engaged for years in systematic illegal surveillance on prominent Americans, including the chief justice of the Supreme Court, other justices, 156 judges, prominent businessmen such as Donald Trump, and even yours truly. Working side by side with Obama's former Director of National Intelligence (DIA), James Clapper, and Obama's former Director of the CIA, John Brennan, Montgomery witnessed “up close and personal” this “Orwellian Big Brother” intrusion on privacy, likely for potential coercion, blackmail or other nefarious purposes.



He even claimed that these spy agencies had manipulated voting in Florida during the 2008 presidential election, which illegal tampering resulted in helping Obama to win the White House.

Given the fact that the FBI had Montgomery's testimony and evidence for over two years, Klayman traveled to Washington DC last Thursday to meet with Committee Chairman Devin Nunes in the hopes that he would ask FBI Director Comey why the FBI hadn't pursued Montgomery's evidence. When Klayman arrived to speak with Nunes, he was "blown off" and instead shared his information with committee attorney Allen R. Souza - who Klayman requested in turn brief Nunes on the situation.

During my meeting with House Intelligence Committee counsel Allen R. Sousa I politely warned him that if Chairman Nunes, who himself had that same day undercut President Trump by also claiming that there is no evidence of surveillance by the Obama administration, I would go public with what would appear to be the House Intelligence Committee’s complicity in keeping the truth from the American people and allowing the FBI to continue its apparent cover-up of the Montgomery “investigation.”



And, that is where it stands today. The big question: will House Intelligence Committee Chairman Nunes do his job and hold FBI Director Comey’s feet to the fire about the Montgomery investigation?

Klayman has detailed all of this in a NewsMax article, followed up with an official letter to Chairman Nunes today, requesting that he question Comey on Montgomery's evidence. Perhaps this explains Nunes' impromptu press conference today admitting that Trump's team was under "Incidental Surveillance" before making his way to the White House to discuss with the President.

So - we know that evidence exists from a CIA / NSA contractor turned whistleblower, detailing a massive spy operation on 156 judges, the Supreme Court, and high profile Americans including Donald Trump. See the letter below:


www.zerohedge.com...



posted on Mar, 22 2017 @ 10:58 PM
link   

originally posted by: SeekingAlpha
Consider your source Grambler. NewsMax and Zerohedge. For all we know, your link was all made up like many other right wing sites.


originally posted by: Grambler
I posted this on another thread.

If what this whistle blower is saying is true, this may devestate Obama, the enitrie inteligence community, and people on all sides of the aisle.

For those who don't want to read, a whistle blower reported 2 years agon proof that Trump, many other prominent citizens, even many judges and even Supreme court justices have been illegally spied on for black mail.

Says he has over 600 million documents and 40 harddrives to prove this, and despite showing the FBI this 2 years ago, nothing has been done about it.


The same day House Intelligence Committee chairman Devin Nunes gave a press conference disclosing that President Trump had been under "incidental surveillance," Attorney and FreedomWatch Chairman, Larry Klayman, sent a letter to the House Committee on Intelligence imploring them to pursue the claims and evidence presented under oath at a Washington DC FBI Field Office by his client - CIA / NSA Whistleblower Dennis Montgomery - who Klayman claims "holds the keys to disproving the false claims... ...that there is no evidence that the president and his men were wiretapped"

When Montgomery attempted to deliver this information through the appropriate channels two years ago, the former CIA and NSA contractor wasn't given the time of day:

[W]hen Montgomery came forward as a whistleblower to congressional intelligence committees and various other congressmen and senators, including Senator Charles Grassley, Chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, who, like Comey, once had a reputation for integrity, he was “blown off;” no one wanted to even hear what he had to say.

As a result, Montgomery went to attorney and FreedomWatch founder Larry Klayman - who then approached the FBI:

Under grants of immunity, which I obtained through Assistant U.S. Attorney Deborah Curtis, Montgomery produced the hard drives and later was interviewed under oath in a secure room at the FBI Field Office in the District of Columbia. There he laid out how persons like then-businessman Donald Trump were illegally spied upon by Clapper, Brennan, and the spy agencies of the Obama administration.

Montgomery left the NSA and CIA with 47 hard drives and over 600 million pages of information, much of which is classified, and sought to come forward legally as a whistleblower to appropriate government entities, including congressional intelligence committees, to expose that the spy agencies were engaged for years in systematic illegal surveillance on prominent Americans, including the chief justice of the Supreme Court, other justices, 156 judges, prominent businessmen such as Donald Trump, and even yours truly. Working side by side with Obama's former Director of National Intelligence (DIA), James Clapper, and Obama's former Director of the CIA, John Brennan, Montgomery witnessed “up close and personal” this “Orwellian Big Brother” intrusion on privacy, likely for potential coercion, blackmail or other nefarious purposes.



He even claimed that these spy agencies had manipulated voting in Florida during the 2008 presidential election, which illegal tampering resulted in helping Obama to win the White House.

Given the fact that the FBI had Montgomery's testimony and evidence for over two years, Klayman traveled to Washington DC last Thursday to meet with Committee Chairman Devin Nunes in the hopes that he would ask FBI Director Comey why the FBI hadn't pursued Montgomery's evidence. When Klayman arrived to speak with Nunes, he was "blown off" and instead shared his information with committee attorney Allen R. Souza - who Klayman requested in turn brief Nunes on the situation.

During my meeting with House Intelligence Committee counsel Allen R. Sousa I politely warned him that if Chairman Nunes, who himself had that same day undercut President Trump by also claiming that there is no evidence of surveillance by the Obama administration, I would go public with what would appear to be the House Intelligence Committee’s complicity in keeping the truth from the American people and allowing the FBI to continue its apparent cover-up of the Montgomery “investigation.”



And, that is where it stands today. The big question: will House Intelligence Committee Chairman Nunes do his job and hold FBI Director Comey’s feet to the fire about the Montgomery investigation?

Klayman has detailed all of this in a NewsMax article, followed up with an official letter to Chairman Nunes today, requesting that he question Comey on Montgomery's evidence. Perhaps this explains Nunes' impromptu press conference today admitting that Trump's team was under "Incidental Surveillance" before making his way to the White House to discuss with the President.

So - we know that evidence exists from a CIA / NSA contractor turned whistleblower, detailing a massive spy operation on 156 judges, the Supreme Court, and high profile Americans including Donald Trump. See the letter below:


www.zerohedge.com...


The link has the actual letter from Freedom Watch to congressman Nunes on it.

If you chose to ignore it because the source so be it, I no sweat off my back.



posted on Mar, 22 2017 @ 10:58 PM
link   
a reply to: SeekingAlpha

Eh -- Zero Hedge is rock solid.



posted on Mar, 22 2017 @ 10:58 PM
link   
a reply to: Greven

President Trump is 70 years old. A "friend" in the intelligence community told him that his communications were being SPIED on. In his mind, that's old 1950's-1980's Wiretapping. It's nothing more than that. ALL surveillance would fall under his "wiretapping" claim. The Obama Administration ordered it. No doubt there.



posted on Mar, 22 2017 @ 11:00 PM
link   

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: Greven

President Trump is 70 years old. A "friend" in the intelligence community told him that his communications were being SPIED on. In his mind, that's old 1950's-1980's Wiretapping. It's nothing more than that. ALL surveillance would fall under his "wiretapping" claim. The Obama Administration ordered it. No doubt there.


So what did Nunes mean, when he said Trump was wrong?

See this is what people ain't getting...

Person says X
Other person says X didn't happen
The context of X should be the same - what Other person refuted should be what Person said (X).

Yet, people here are claiming instead that Person meant Y, and implicitly that Other person still meant X.

So was Other person lying, then? Was he purposely damaging Person's credibility by claiming Y was X? Was it a goof? What is the angle here?
edit on 23Wed, 22 Mar 2017 23:08:57 -0500America/ChicagovAmerica/Chicago3 by Greven because: (no reason given)



posted on Mar, 22 2017 @ 11:02 PM
link   
No, Trump has not owned this thing at all. Right wing news has been feeding you guys so proper BS over this issue. The reality is that there have some extremely questionable statements, Russian deaths, and people being investigated over this scandal. He doesn't own sh it over this issue just like how he doesn't own the repeal/replacement of Obamacare.


originally posted by: SBMcG
a reply to: SeekingAlpha

How is it "troublesome for Trump"?

I think you're suffering from wishful thinking.

Trump has, as usual, owned this thing!



posted on Mar, 22 2017 @ 11:10 PM
link   
a reply to: Grambler

Thank-you for that link to the actual letter. Comey gets a second opportunity to be questioned on March 28th?



posted on Mar, 22 2017 @ 11:11 PM
link   
Seriously? Zero Hedge is rock solid. Fact check their stuff. Most of it is garbage. Saying Zero Hedge is solid news is like saying Peter Schiff knows what he's talking about with the markets. Both are ridiculous on several levels.


originally posted by: SBMcG
a reply to: SeekingAlpha

Eh -- Zero Hedge is rock solid.


edit on 22-3-2017 by SeekingAlpha because: (no reason given)



posted on Mar, 22 2017 @ 11:12 PM
link   
Nothing will come of the future questions to Comey, but the right wingers will cling onto this letter as though its gospel when it comes from a garbage source.



originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: Grambler

Thank-you for that link to the actual letter. Comey gets a second opportunity to be questioned on March 28th?




posted on Mar, 22 2017 @ 11:13 PM
link   
a reply to: Greven

We're all taking scant facts and adding in some of what WE believe to be common sense. But of course, you just don't know unless the person him/her-self speaks. I don't think President Trump has personally said if he meant that a literal BUG was placed on his phone circuit in Trump Tower.



posted on Mar, 22 2017 @ 11:15 PM
link   

originally posted by: SeekingAlpha
Nothing will come of the future questions to Comey, but the right wingers will cling onto this letter as though its gospel when it comes from a garbage source.



originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: Grambler

Thank-you for that link to the actual letter. Comey gets a second opportunity to be questioned on March 28th?



Care to comment on the letter or just complain about the source.

The funny things is you would be the first person screaming if you put something up from CNN and people said the source is bad.

Now about the letter, I do caution that apparently this Montgomery guy who is the whistle blower in the letter seems to have a shady past, and may be a con artist.

I guess we will see if anything comes of this. If this guy is lying, he should be locked up, espeically if he took material from the NSA/CIA.



posted on Mar, 22 2017 @ 11:16 PM
link   

originally posted by: Greven

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: Greven

President Trump is 70 years old. A "friend" in the intelligence community told him that his communications were being SPIED on. In his mind, that's old 1950's-1980's Wiretapping. It's nothing more than that. ALL surveillance would fall under his "wiretapping" claim. The Obama Administration ordered it. No doubt there.


So what did Nunes mean, when he said Trump was wrong?

See this is what people ain't getting...

Person says X
Other person says X didn't happen
The context of X should be the same - what Other person refuted should be what Person said (X).

Yet, people here are claiming instead that Person meant Y, and implicitly that Other person still meant X.

So was Other person lying, then? Was he purposely damaging Person's credibility by claiming Y was X? Was it a goof? What is the angle here?


And this is where a rational person gives Trump the benefit of the doubt. He made allegations that could be false....but it doesnt make him a liar. It makes him ignorant, ill informed, short sighted....but not liar. And if his detractors would stop screaming "Liar!" like Donald Sutherland ratting you out to the body snatcher, it would go a LOOOONNNGGGG way toward improving the ability to dialogue. The absurdity of screaming about a lie from an elected official, after the crap show of the last 16 years (8 of whichs "they" didn't raise a peep)

It all comes down to misrepresenting what happened just to score stupid political points in internet discussions.

Im only half way throuh Black Mirror....but i hope they do an episode on this phenomena. For me, histrionic behavior angers me. Which makes me completely intolerant of the histrionic people.



posted on Mar, 22 2017 @ 11:19 PM
link   

originally posted by: roadgravel
Isn't the main issue that has been made is "who did it"?


Yes, and we are asking the FBI, CIA, NSA, etc. to investigate themselves... LOL

Madness...
edit on 22-3-2017 by anonfamily because: (no reason given)



posted on Mar, 22 2017 @ 11:21 PM
link   
a reply to: Grambler

Is the Montgomery the same whistle-blower who is in HIDING, after saying that Russians hosted pee-pee parties for businessman Trump? The Intelligence committee was supposed to go into his gopher hole and interview him. What became of that?



posted on Mar, 22 2017 @ 11:25 PM
link   
a reply to: Grimpachi


Obama's NSA/CIA/FBI: "We never wiretapped/intercepted any communications of President Trump in the past"

Obama's MSN: "Intelligence agencies claim the Russians helped Trump, and we were intercepting communications of campaign members of Trump.

Obama's fan: See? Trump lied, Obama's IC never intercepted/wiretapped Trump"...

Obama's NSA/CIA/FBI: "err, well...we might have intercepted some of Trump's communications, but we assure you, it was never intentional. You should trust us, we never lie"...

Obama's Clapper: "Yeah, listen to us, we never lie...even though i was lying in front of Congress when I said under Obama's reign we never intercepted American's data and conversations.... But you should still trust us..."

Talk about hypocrisy...

BUHAHAHAHAHA


edit on 22-3-2017 by ElectricUniverse because: add comment.



posted on Mar, 22 2017 @ 11:30 PM
link   
What is Montgomery saying that is different from what Snowden was saying? Nothing.

GWB and his posse pushed for the Patriot Act. This is the result of the Patriot Act. We are all being tracked right now via cell phones, e-mails, and postings on this board. But, does that mean that the CIA/FBI/NSA is actively scrutinizing our posts on this board. Most likely not, but they most likely have record of what is posted on this board.


originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: SeekingAlpha
Nothing will come of the future questions to Comey, but the right wingers will cling onto this letter as though its gospel when it comes from a garbage source.



originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: Grambler

Thank-you for that link to the actual letter. Comey gets a second opportunity to be questioned on March 28th?



Care to comment on the letter or just complain about the source.

The funny things is you would be the first person screaming if you put something up from CNN and people said the source is bad.

Now about the letter, I do caution that apparently this Montgomery guy who is the whistle blower in the letter seems to have a shady past, and may be a con artist.

I guess we will see if anything comes of this. If this guy is lying, he should be locked up, espeically if he took material from the NSA/CIA.



posted on Mar, 22 2017 @ 11:32 PM
link   
a reply to: Grambler

Dennis Montgomery is one of two things; One of the dumbest people to grace the planet or extremely intelligent with the largest pair ever. My money is on the latter of the two. If he has what he says he has, he holds the keys to some of the biggest conspiracies of all time. If anyone has the capabilities to have obtained that information, it would be him, as he has developed a lot of the very government and military data collection software being discussed. He's been balked at many a time, but, IMHO these people were scared of him, the info he possessed and willing to do and say anything to shut him up. I'm actually surprised the guys still alive.



posted on Mar, 22 2017 @ 11:35 PM
link   
nm
edit on 22-3-2017 by Annee because: (no reason given)




top topics



 
113
<< 15  16  17    19  20  21 >>

log in

join