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Imagine the shock!! Iraqi president wants troops to stay..

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posted on Feb, 1 2005 @ 05:53 PM
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story.news.yahoo.com.../ap/200 50201/ap_on_re


Top Stories - AP


Iraqi President: U.S. Troops Should Stay

Tue Feb 1, 8:28 AM ET Top Stories - AP


By MARIAM FAM, Associated Press Writer

BAGHDAD, Iraq - Iraq (news - web sites)'s president said Tuesday it would be "complete nonsense" to ask foreign troops to leave the country now, although some could depart by year's end. Officials began the final vote tally from elections to produce a government to confront the insurgency.


Imagine the shock....




posted on Feb, 1 2005 @ 05:55 PM
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What do you see as happening if american troops leave the country, say over a six month organized pullout?



posted on Feb, 1 2005 @ 05:55 PM
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Document not found.

Iraq doesn't have a President yet.

What was the story, and why was it retracted?



posted on Feb, 1 2005 @ 05:59 PM
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Aha!!!! It was just there...How the troops would be needed despite Bush saying, "if you want us out, we will pull out"
What a farce.....

Wonder what happened to the story and why???

By the way, it was legit- Yahoo news.



posted on Feb, 1 2005 @ 06:01 PM
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Branding news as Yahoo doesn't make it legit, it depends on the source. Yahoo are no more originators than ATSNN.

Did they actually quote a man called the "new president", or just the current puppet?



posted on Feb, 1 2005 @ 06:06 PM
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MA, they said "the new president of Iraq"

I realize Yahoo could be questionable, however i didnt want anyone thinking it came from Rense.com or some other source...

In any case, i dont know what happened. I'll keep an eye out, in the meantime, i did cut a paste the blurb you see in the beginning.



posted on Feb, 1 2005 @ 06:08 PM
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This was the old president of Iraq. The results of the election aren't known yet and even when they are it could be a couple months before a president is chosen.



posted on Feb, 1 2005 @ 06:08 PM
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Meanwhile, Iraq reopened its borders Tuesday and commercial flights took off from Baghdad International Airport as authorities eased security restrictions imposed to protect last weekend's landmark voting.


In Baghdad, about 200 election workers Tuesday began the second — and possibly final — stage of the count. They reviewed tally sheets prepared by workers who counted ballots starting Sunday night at the 5,200 polling centers across the country and began crunching the numbers into 80 computer terminals. Officials said no figures were expected to be released Tuesday.


The Sunday ballot, which occurred without catastrophic rebel attacks, raised hopes that a new Iraqi government would be able to assume greater responsibility for security, hastening the day when the 170,000 U.S. and other foreign troops can go home.


During a news conference, President Ghazi al-Yawer was asked whether the presence of foreign troops might be fueling the Sunni Arab revolt by encouraging rebel attacks.


"It's only complete nonsense to ask the troops to leave in this chaos and this vacuum of power," al-Yawer, a Sunni Arab, said.


He said foreign troops should leave only after Iraq's security forces are built up, the country's security situation has improved and some pockets of terrorists are eliminated.


"By the end of this year, we could see the number of foreign troops decreasing," al-Yawer said.


Al-Yawer had been a strong critic of some aspects of the U.S. military's performance in Iraq, including the three-week Marine siege of the Sunni rebel city of Fallujah in April.


Al-Yawer helped negotiate an end to that siege. But the city fell into the hands of insurgents and religious zealots, forcing the Marines to recapture Fallujah last November in some of the heaviest urban combat for American forces since the Vietnam war.


"There were some mistakes" in the occupation "but to be fair ... I think all in all it was positive, the contribution of the foreign forces in Iraq," al-Yawer said. "It was worth it."


Later Tuesday, Defense Minister Hazem Shaalan said Iraq would only ask U.S. and other forces to leave when the country's own troops were capable of taking on insurgents.


"We don't want to have foreign troops in our country, but at the same time we believe that these forces should stay for some time until we are able to control the borders and establish a new modern army and we have efficient intelligence," Shaalan told reporters. "At that time ... we'll ask them to leave."


With the election complete and the ballots safely in Baghdad, Iraqi authorities eased the severe security measures that had been put in place to protect the voters and polling centers.


Royal Jordanian Airlines and Iraqi Airways resumed flights to and from Baghdad. Cars, trucks and buses began crossing the border between Iraq and Syria at Tanaf. However, the Yarubiya crossing point which leads to the northern Iraqi city of Mosul.


A five-mile line of trucks loaded with goods was waiting on the Syrian side to cross, the official said.


The security measures for Sunday's vote included an election day ban on most private vehicles and extended hours for the nighttime curfew. The restrictions were credited with preventing rebels from pulling off catastrophic attacks, although more than 40 people were killed in about 100 attacks on or near polling stations.





A statement attributed to an al-Qaida affiliate dismissed Sunday's elections as "theatrics" and promised to continue waging "holy war" against the Americans and their Iraqi allies.

In Baghdad, an election official said marked ballots, which were counted at polling stations after voting ended, have been sent to Baghdad. The ballots will not be recounted unless there are challenges or discrepancies in the tally sheets, officials said.

A Shiite clerical-backed alliance was expected to win the most number of seats in the 275-member National Assembly. But the alliance is not expected to win the two-thirds majority required to name a prime minister without support from other parties.

Prime Minister Ayad Allawi's ticket was expected to finish second among the 111 candidate lists.

Officials have not released turnout figures, although it appeared that many Sunni Arabs stayed away from the polls, either out of fear of insurgent reprisals or opposition to an election under U.S. occupation.

That has raised concern about further alienation among the country's Sunni Arabs, who form about 20 percent of Iraq's 26 million people but whose role in the country's educational, technical and intellectual elite is much greater.

Although security conditions have remained stable enough to relax the election restrictions, there were still scattered incidents reported around the country.

In the northern city of Mosul, clashes broke out early Tuesday in the eastern neighborhood of Nablus between insurgents and Iraqi National Guards, officials said. One person was killed and another injured.

Two policemen were killed when a bomb they were trying to defuse exploded on a street in the Kurdish-run city of Irbil.

In the south, U.S. troops opened fire on detainees rioting at the Camp Bucca prison facility, killing four prisoners, the U.S. command said. The unrest broke out Monday during a search for contraband and quickly spread. Detainees hurled rocks and fashioned crude weapons from materials in their quarters, the statement said.

The purported al-Qaida statement appeared Monday on an Islamist Web site.

"These elections and their results ... will increase our strength and intention to getting rid of injustice," the statement said.

As the vote count continues, the leader of the main Shiite coalition pledged to build a government that would include representatives of all of Iraq's people.

"We are still insisting to form a partnership government including all segments of the Iraqi people," Abdul-Aziz al-Hakim of the United Iraqi Alliance told Al-Arabiya television.

The rest of the story...as they say...i dont know why it wont let me post it


















[edit on 1-2-2005 by dgtempe]



posted on Feb, 1 2005 @ 06:10 PM
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Originally posted by dgtempe

Wonder what happened to the story and why???



Nothing.




Iraq's president said Tuesday it would be "complete nonsense" to ask foreign troops to leave the country now, although some could depart by year's end. Simultaneously, Iraqi leaders stepped up efforts on Tuesday to persuade Sunni Muslims to return to the political process as the final vote count from the country's historic election got under way. [...]



Lebanon Daily Star: Iraqi president insists U.S. troops should stay

Associated Press: Iraqi President: U.S. Troops Should Stay

[edit on 1-2-2005 by Riwka]


dh

posted on Feb, 1 2005 @ 06:15 PM
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The US continue to build 12 big bases which suggests a certain permanence
To fill these new bases they pull a lot of troops out of Saudi Arabia which is suggestive of a new target in time



posted on Feb, 1 2005 @ 06:18 PM
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A key point from Lebanon's Daily Star:

"Interim President Ghazi al-Yawar and U.S. leaders rejected calls to lay out a timetable for withdrawing the roughly 150,000 U.S. troops now in Iraq."

It is very important to have a puppet on the stage. What if the "elected" President happened to disagree with the "rejection" of "calls"?



posted on Feb, 1 2005 @ 06:58 PM
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The US and the interim government have rejected calls to put specific dates on a timetable for withdrawal of troops. Instead, the schedule will be event-driven. Putting specific dates on withdrawal would give the terrorists a distinct advantage.

As for the interim president saying that the troops should stay for now, well, that is what all reasonable people have been saying for some time now.

I think that the statements coming from al Qaeda for renewed violence is very telling, given their stated goal as being enemies of democracy. Even many Sunnis are willing to work for the new government, in spite of the boycott. In the face of this, support for the insurgency is bound to diminish noticeably.



posted on Feb, 1 2005 @ 07:05 PM
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I was under the impression that the iraqis were not voting for a president, and only were voting for representatives to a constitutional congress?



posted on Feb, 1 2005 @ 07:12 PM
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Reminds me of when Clinton said we'd be out of Bosnia within the year... how many years ago?



posted on Feb, 1 2005 @ 07:13 PM
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True. The elections were for a 275-member Transitional National Assembly.


The assembly will have law-making powers. But first it must elect a state presidency council made up of a president and two deputies. The council in turn will choose a prime minister who will select ministers. The assembly will then vote on the make-up of the government. The prime minister will be the key figure, having control over the armed forces, for example.
news.bbc.co.uk...

So my interpretation is there may not even be a president in the long run.



posted on Feb, 1 2005 @ 10:01 PM
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I have a feeling that US troops will be there indefinately, albeit at a reduce number but not much reduced. And as a result the UK will pullout of it's own accord and it's own conditions later this year.



posted on Feb, 1 2005 @ 10:06 PM
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Why would any elected gov't of Iraq want us to leave and leave them open to overthrow by the terrorists? Until they have a solid force that can suppress any insurrection they will want the U.S. to remain there in large numbers.

I also agree that if a stable pro-U.S. gov't is established in Iraq, they will allow/want us to stay there and build bases and it will be the headquarters of U.S. presence in the Middle East. That would be good because then we can totally withdraw from Qatar and Saudi Arabia.

[edit on 2/1/2005 by djohnsto77]



posted on Feb, 1 2005 @ 10:16 PM
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Its not a surprise about who the president of Iraq is........Now and after.

President bush will never leave Iraq and he will never allowed an Iraqi government that will not be friendly to the US.

The Iraqi oil is to sweet. Bush and his cronies are waiting for Iraq to become more "stable" so the "privatization" of their national resources can begin.

To much money is involve.



posted on Feb, 2 2005 @ 09:40 AM
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Originally posted by marg6043
President bush will never leave Iraq

He's only going to be pres for another four years

he will never allowed an Iraqi government that will not be friendly to the US.

Why should he? At least for extreme values of 'unfreindly'? Besides, I suspect that the Iraqi Government won't really exist until after he leaves office.


so the "privatization" of their national resources can begin

I very much doubt that the oil resources in Iraq will not be administered by the government, ie nationalized. The various arab political movements are almost unanimous in leaning torwards nationalization of industry.



posted on Feb, 2 2005 @ 09:44 AM
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Why do you think the americans have been busy creating a rift between the social groups.. giving preferred employment to one make the othe group jealous?

Thet want to be the only thing stopping the place decending into civil war.. so they are NEEDED.

Just like the economy.. no demand? Make demand! Not rare? Make rare!



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