Leftist And Globalist Calls For Multiculturalism Are Nonsensical

originally posted by: daskakik

originally posted by: infolurker
OK, the author has laid out the scenario that in order to achieve a “new world order” system that is rooted in collectivist suppression of individual liberty that an intentional erosion of society is in progress.... designed and being implemented to achieve an outcome which will turn our nations into a world police state.

Seems backwards. Multiculturalism is letting people be who they are. How is that suppression of individual liberty?

Forced multiculturalism and destruction of only western cultures is indeed suppression of individual liberty.

Stop telling us we need to change so we do not offend other cultures!

a reply to: ParasuvO

But the article says that you need to accept the “Non-Aggression Principle”.

Did you just call for suppression of freedom of speech because it offends you to hear that you are offending others?

a reply to: infolurker

Oh I see. How quaint. The far right attempting to legitimise their utterly vile, segregationist stand point.

The author is simply in error in a great deal of what they have said in your quoted segment, and indeed in their article in the first instance.

In an example found in the original article, but not quoted by you, the author states that concepts popular with far right individuals, like tribalism, populism and totalitarianism are not synonymous with one another, and complains bitterly that this allegedly false equivalence has been drawn. Of course, the reason people make this entirely understandable connection, is that populism, tribalism, nationalism and totalitarianism are what go together to make something far worse, which is usually a fascism of some sort, especially if it involves the corporate world in its upkeep or maintenance. Perhaps if the author believes this utterly idiotic mess of an argument they have concocted, he should go and visit a few of his far right chums, and see the parts of their houses that they do not show their politically opposed friends. There will likely be some lampshades made of human skin, and some bones and gold and what not, but I am sure that, being a far right peddler of lies and propaganda, the author will be able to gloss over the rampant Nazism of most of his fellows, and make them out to be saints, despite their barbarian attitudes.

Now, to something you have posted.

Your article makes the claim, that you cannot have two diametrically opposed cultures, in the same space. That is a lie. Christian folk live on these British Isles. There are also Sikhs, Wicca practitioners, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, Muslims, Satanists and Tory voters, who are an entirely different kettle of fish than any of the aforementioned. These and many more cultures are present within the British Isles. I happen to know a fellow who identifies as an Odinite, a follower of the old ways of the Norse folk. These people, contrary to people who simply know nothing about reality, are NOT at war with one another in the street on a daily basis, there are not witches running amok casting hexes upon priests, nor priests burning witches at the stake, nor Muslims cutting off the heads of the heathen and the infidel on every street corner, there are not Satanists calling up demon kin from the bowels of hell to maim, torture and kill the innocent, bathe in the blood of Christian men and women, and so on.

If it is as your linked article suggests, and coexistence is impossible, then my country would be at ACTUAL war with itself, all day, everyday, in every town, on every street. It is NOT the case however that my nation is at actual war with itself. Our people of varying faiths and beliefs do NOT go to war with one another all day every day, bullets, bombs, and chemical weapons are NOT being released willy nilly, and until they ARE, there will be no grounds for the suggestion that coexistence is impossible.

Furthermore, on the subject of penance...

One does penance for what one has done in the past and left behind, about which one feels guilt. That is not what is happening here, regarding the refugee angle specifically. You see, our nation has not stopped involvement in the terrorisation of the Middle East. Our people are still actively involved, as are those of the USA. Despite overwhelming lack of support for continuing the hostilities, despite the fact that the people are now largely aware that our own governments and those of other western nations, have been paying terrorists to do what they do for decades, despite these things, our government STILL contributes to the suffering of innocent people in a country which did precisely NOTHING to deserve it, and certainly did not attack our nation. So no, this is nothing to do with penance. The left wing view of refugees and immigrants otherwise, is that WHILE our nations behaviour is still having an effect, we should be taking responsibility for those effects. If we cannot afford to do that as a nation, then thats our lookout, and perhaps we should have controlled our government better. However, in the meantime, while it is possible to take a person away from the crater strewn hell they have been living in, that is what we should be doing.

As for the suggestion that leftists are useful idiots, I find that suggestion utterly hilarious. I wonder, how many useful idiots does it take to win a war? How many body bags full of men and women who were told they were doing morally acceptable work, but actually went to war on behalf of oil companies and banking cartels, does it take to win a terror war? What do you mean it has not been won yet? ... I wonder how many useful idiots it takes to install a person who represents nothing if not the corporate world, as the leader of one of the most powerful nations in history? I wonder how many lefties were all gung ho for Trump, a man who has been making things easier for big companies, harder for everyone else, and trying to get a whole swathe of peoples medical cover revoked?

Nonsense. Lefties are not useful idiots in the least. We are signficantly less likely to become cannon fodder in a profit war than those on the right, we are significantly less likely to vote in a manner which benefits the corporations at the expense of the people, and our facts are not alternative, they are real. The idiots are to be found elsewhere, I am afraid.


And another thing! It is NOT inevitable that groups separate based on principles. On worship days, they visit different buildings. THAT IS ALL! I have friends who are of different faiths and no faith, I have friends whose first language is one in which I have no idea how to pronounce a single word. If I can make these friends, then anyone can. The simple fact of the matter is, that the misbegotten whoreson who wrote the article you quoted, is a phobic little weasel who fears the unknown, which is especially terrifying for intellectual non-entities like him, because they do not know a great deal at all, thusly spending huge amounts of their time cleaning the urine stains from their underwear, rather than learning to socialise at least as well as their dogs do.

And conceit of all conceits...

Globalists and their agenda. I will guarantee to you, right here and now, that you author there has not got a CLUE what the globalist agenda is, how it works, or who the globalists are. These globalists of course, are the very same people who are rich enough to be wealth creators the very same people that the far right elected the best chum of not long ago. They are all in the same club, these filthy rich tycoons. The only people to benefit from an economic model, have every reason to enjoy one anothers company after all, the rest of us are too dirty, or justly aggrieved at their behaviour to put up with their company for too long. Ironic that your author talks about the one global god, because under the far right model, the only god they accept comes in little paper bills with dead men printed on them, and the only way to gain possession of these little paper bills in large enough volume to matter, is to kill innocent people by the millions over the course of a few decades.

This author you have found needs to get back to tending his land, and get off the internet. He hasn't the wit for it.

originally posted by: infolurker

originally posted by: Annee
I do not agree with this article.

People, in general, tend to get along and accept each other. Until you bring politics and other outside forces into it.

There should be standard secular law that everyone must follow. What you do on your own time, is your own.

You do not agree with this?

Globalists see themselves as social architects, and an architect cannot function if his building materials will not cooperate. Globalism is impotent without the ability to impose will and the ability to undermine practical divisions between ideological opposites.

I am a Progressive Globalist.

I support a secular law that all must follow in everyday society.

In America, Amish and some Jewish sects (among others) have co-existed just fine within US law and their own.

The US has many cultures that work just fine within everyday society, and their own separately.

Not a problem.

a reply to: infolurker

Your source had the right to say what they want.

But I also have the right to ask if this person was dropped on the head as a child because we are sick of ignoramus's spewing out diatribe without knowing the facts.

Sorry I meant to say 'alternate facts.'

a reply to: 4N0M4LY

Why, praytell, should I take a strawman seriously? The very first thing one must do to a strawman is refute it. That means in order to take this tripe seriously, I have to first go on the defensive and correct all the wrong things said about the left. At that point would be when I could start offering my real opinion. It's just a waste of time since I know that an OP willing to post and believe this stuff isn't interested in being told he is wrong so we'd never get to the point of discussing my opinion on the matter anyways.

originally posted by: Thecakeisalie
a reply to: infolurker

Your source had the right to say what they want.

But I also have the right to ask if this person was dropped on the head as a child because we are sick of ignoramus's spewing out diatribe without knowing the facts.

Sorry I meant to say 'alternate facts.'

Now, I do not agree with everything in the article as much is opinion. What I do believe is that there is a undeniable agenda to destabilize national sovereignty and social cohesiveness deliberately in order to institute "Global Governance".

The issue I see with this is that this "Global Governance" will more resemble China than the US.

This intentional erosion of social cohesiveness is deliberate and pretty damned obvious.

Now the author has his opinions on the players, pawns, etc. But the heart of the article is that we are being maneuvered into an artificially created crisis in order to usher in a "new global order".

“Problem-Reaction-Solution” or the “Hegelian Dialectic”

“It works like this – the manipulating body covertly creates a problem and then directs the media to incessantly focus on it without recourse.

Once you have created this problem you make sure that an individual, a group or an aspect of society is blamed. This then rallies the population behind the desperate lunge for a solution to the problem. ‘Something must be done!’

The people that created the problem in the first place then come back in and offer the solution that the people demand. Remember – the people screaming for a solution do not know that the problem was artificially created in the first place. The solution to the problem is always a further curtailment of freedom and an advancement of the agenda.

Well America was founded on multiculturalism and the original inhabitants weren't European, so I am not sure what you expect North America to do?

The way I see it is that globalization got it's first taste of blood when the internet was unleashed to the general public.

And you can't stop it.
It's inevitable that globalization will happen, I guess we as individual countries and such need to figure out how to make it work, because humans by nature are very conservative and protective of their personal space, and community they live in. It's gonna be a rough ride.

originally posted by: strongfp
The way I see it is that globalization got it's first taste of blood when the internet was unleashed to the general public.

And you can't stop it.
It's inevitable that globalization will happen, I guess we as individual countries and such need to figure out how to make it work, because humans by nature are very conservative and protective of their personal space, and community they live in. It's gonna be a rough ride.

Yes! It is the natural progression.

I say stop being concerned about heading in that direction.

Be concerned about HOW and WHO.

originally posted by: iTruthSeeker
This is it and is so easy to see as you said. Multiculturalism is no different than putting a big dog and a cat inside of a pen, or a lion and a gazelle. They do not mix! This plan has been in the works for a very long time it would seem.

Has it hit a critical level yet? In some countries it seems obviously a yes, and is just a matter of time before we start seeing widescale violence here in the U.S. unless something is done, IE travel bans, vetting, etc. for one.

a reply to: infolurker


Great thread, one of the best I've seen here on ATS.

And also, great timing with the recent terror attacks in the U.K, leftys will no doubt continue to rationalise.

The way things are going are not sustainable, and by the looks of it, with the variety of attacks across Europe/the US over the past 12-18 months, reform is sure to follow.

Will this reform bring greater austerity? This remains to be seen.

Has this chaos been created by the powers that be? It would seem that way based on the number of decisions over the past few decades or so that have played into this rhetoric.

People need to break out of their bubble, neither left or right is the truth. I do however find it harder to understand the logic behind supporting left wing multiculturalism with the recent attacks across Europe. The rationalisations are becoming more and more absurd.

a reply to: bopchon

Reform will not happen. There is a deliberate agenda to destabilize / balkanize western nations.

As you can tell by some of our "leftest" leaning posters, they have no problem embracing global governance. There are plenty of Progressive Republicans who support this as well.

Surprise: Intake of up to 300,000 migrants a year for the next 40 years!
www.abovetopsecret.com...


They are even proposing a contingency plan to thwart a potential backlash from the population. In case of any future national referendum, Germany's Federal Commissioner for Refugees and Migrants, Aydan Özoguz, recommends giving voting rights to migrants permanently residing in Germany.

a reply to: infolurker

Apologies I wasn't clear when I used the word reform. By reform I mean "reform" in the shape of further austerity/police state/new order. This is classic Order out of Chaos.

I agree that there is an agenda and it's becoming more and more apparent.

Interesting times ...

originally posted by: ParasuvO

originally posted by: daskakik

originally posted by: infolurker
OK, the author has laid out the scenario that in order to achieve a “new world order” system that is rooted in collectivist suppression of individual liberty that an intentional erosion of society is in progress.... designed and being implemented to achieve an outcome which will turn our nations into a world police state.

Seems backwards. Multiculturalism is letting people be who they are. How is that suppression of individual liberty?

Forced multiculturalism and destruction of only western cultures is indeed suppression of individual liberty.

Stop telling us we need to change so we do not offend other cultures!

Sorry, but it is not multi-culturalism that is ruining the West. It is called fake Cultures. Why don't you look at all the dumb new cultures being added everyday. Especially the International Woman day which I have never heard of in my life time. So basically man work all day and woman just gets time off. We should have a mans day and have woman to work all day. Back then Woman were just house keepers. They didn't need to go to work. Only stay at home, watch children and cook for the man who had to work.