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originally posted by: spiritualarchitect
a reply to: enament
Big Hairy News?
What is interesting is that when I clicked on Checkers link for "Big Hairy News", there was an advertisement for a kids phone from Amazon. This is the same advertisement I was redirected to when I went to Pizzagate.com this morning.
So that site, "Fake News Checker" is actually a fake news site itself. Probably a CNN site. They put ABC News on there just to throw people off.
That site needs to be taken down. Aren't there any good virus makers out there who can stick it to CNN and their ilk?
Come on Nigeria, give CNN a taste of your skills.
originally posted by: pyramid head
originally posted by: Elepheagle
I wouldn't feel too hard-pressed to cite this very thread as an example why ATS ended up on that list. Yes, it's a message board, but one that often cites untrustworthy and sometimes purposely false sources bent towards a very specific (and demonstrably hard to find) agenda. Hint: It's not because of CNN.
Longer-term members will likely admit to a shift in the tone and focus of topics on this site over the past few years.
ATS = Assembly of Trump Supporters.
That guy is infallible here, which does not at all square with reality.
It's true, all dissenting opinion should be crushed!! Including those who dare speak on a forum.
All those who question, or dare challenge our ruling pedo-crats are Russian spies and most likely work for Putin.
We can only trust our beloved "news sources" who are owned by 6 corporations(last time I checked, maybe less now). Only they know what's good for us slaves.(end sarcasm)
I can't believe what I'm hearing from a lot of members here. I truly believe the left has become cult/religious in their ideaology.
originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: PhotonEffect
First of all, we do not disseminate fake news.
The journalism and propaganda that we discuss here, is picked apart, dissected, examined under a black light, by those of us using the site correctly at any rate. The idea is, that if it has merit, stands up under significant scrutiny, then fair enough. If not, then it gets treated like the perverse control mechanism that all false information is.
The information ought to be posted here to be examined, but the thing we sometimes fail on here, and VERY much more regularly since the truth became something that no one wanted to hear anymore, is the actual examination. There can be no examination of a piece of journalism, unless all parties involved with that examination, are prepared to do so without bias, because unless they are, the examination will prove ineffective.
When the election season was upon us, one of the things that was sadly lacking from both of the eventual candidates to the presidency, was the truth. Hillary lied, and Donald lied. Donald lied, or was in outstanding levels of error, in more than seventy percent of his statements to the public. Yet, some people, falsely, have the impression that he is the most honest President yet, that his administration is the most transparent and so on. Its hogwash, bogus, does not stand up to an examination of the facts. And yet, if you state as much people will suggest that you must be a shill, or must be anti-this, or anti-that. They do not engage with your argument, they do not attempt to disprove the point made, they simply attack, because they cannot reason against the truth. But they can try to bury it.
This mindset is fundamentally incapable due to a lack of will, to cut the lies from the truth and hold only the truth in hand. If an individual would rather cling fiercely to a lie, because it is more comfortable to them than the truth, then no reasonable, rational, logical or valid examination of a set of information can be made by them. All that can happen, is they can choose whether the information appeals to them because it suits their pre-existing bias, or whether it does not appeal to them because it shoots holes in their world view so wide, that you could pilot a damned aircraft carrier through them.
THAT is the thing that needs to change. It is not the presence of information that does the most harm, but the lack of will to do the right thing with that information, to be honest, intelligent and to hold more rigidly to the facts than the fluff with which they are surrounded. That being said, if people refuse to resist the propaganda they are being fed, refuse to accept truth when it is placed before them, the danger is that ANY information will start to be accepted, just on the basis of how people FEEL about it, rather than because that information carries any intrinsic weight of truth.
These are difficult and trying times, but they are such because of what people do with information, not because the information exists.
Rather oddly, the conspiracy sites often contain some of the best debunking work available. Debunkers like to go there, as there are usually some easy pickings, but most of the debunking comes from the conspiracy theorists themselves. The more serious conspiracy theorists are wary of their topic being cast in a bad light by being associated with the more fringe topics. So if they see something that is obviously bunk (like, the WTC being destroyed by a directed energy weapon from space), then they are quite quick to debunk it. Since there's a wide range of participants on those forums, there is often a quite lively and extended discussion, where the salient points and real evidence will bubble to the surface. The true believers will remain convinced, but your strange bedfellow debunker will often do all the necessary work for you. Its also funny to be able to link to ATS as supporting evidence. Of course, the hard-core are convinced that ATS is COINTELPRO. Can't win 'em all.
originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan
Their logic is sound, until you get to the point that this is a "media" or "news" site.
I guess if you focus on the UFO/Alien/Woo that we love, then they are right. But if its about politics, we don't make the news, we copy/paste it to discuss.
ATS allows alt-media to use it as a platform. There are members who consistently link to a one particular cluster of media sites or another. We are, in effect, a combination of a multi-stream news network and a social network. You cannot deny that groups will use a variety of tactics, including sock puppets and cyber-bullying, to advance their agenda. It is disingenuous to claim that we are not "media."