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The President Lied To The American People Again. When Will Enough Be Enough?

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posted on Mar, 20 2017 @ 10:24 PM
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a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

Thought he got it from Fox News?




posted on Mar, 20 2017 @ 10:31 PM
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a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

Gowdy's words didn't exist until today.

I quoted part of the NYT article, the article from which Trump claims to have gotten the information that Obama ordered him to be surveilled and it doesn't exist in the part of the article that I could find.

This isn't about specific terms it is about a straightforward declaration that the NYT did not know if Trump was a target of surveillance. How did Trump turn that into the claim that the NYT article is where he learned about being surveilled and why are people believing it when it clearly states that they didn't have that info?
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posted on Mar, 20 2017 @ 10:44 PM
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a reply to: Phage

The juiciest part of that supposed "sacred election process" comment in the tweet is that he said he would honor the process "If I Win"...Like he doesn't have any respect for those who vote unless they vote for him.

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posted on Mar, 20 2017 @ 10:46 PM
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a reply to: Chadwickus

Floxamoxacin News.

May cause spontaneous tendon rupture...



posted on Mar, 20 2017 @ 11:33 PM
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So few seem to understand that Trump is not doing anything, has not done anything and will not do anything.

He is a non-president.
Anything declared by the news that Trump is doing anything other than the rants that we so openly see is done by others in power.
Trump hasn't the patience, knowledge or ability to effectively run anything beyond being the head honcho of his own businesses and I'm fairly sure he does as little as possible regarding those as well. His ONLY concern is his wealth and appearance. That is it. That is all.

He is merely a token, a puppet, a figurehead and nothing, seriously NOTHING more.

The fact that he goes golfing in Mar-a-Lago nearly every weekend should be more than enough evidence to what I am saying. He has taken a deal to act as president when necessary. Dance the dance and talk the talk(his one, shining ability) and by doing so, gets to have maximum recreational time.

People really need to stop seeing Trump as a president and making posts about his choices/etc. as they simply do not exist. The jokes on us, folks and we're all but completely out of time.



posted on Mar, 20 2017 @ 11:37 PM
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originally posted by: gottaknow
So few seem to understand that Trump is not doing anything, has not done anything and will not do anything.

He is a non-president.
Anything declared by the news that Trump is doing anything other than the rants that we so openly see is done by others in power.
Trump hasn't the patience, knowledge or ability to effectively run anything beyond being the head honcho of his own businesses and I'm fairly sure he does as little as possible regarding those as well. His ONLY concern is his wealth and appearance. That is it. That is all.

He is merely a token, a puppet, a figurehead and nothing, seriously NOTHING more.

The fact that he goes golfing in Mar-a-Lago nearly every weekend should be more than enough evidence to what I am saying. He has taken a deal to act as president when necessary. Dance the dance and talk the talk(his one, shining ability) and by doing so, gets to have maximum recreational time.

People really need to stop seeing Trump as a president and making posts about his choices/etc. as they simply do not exist. The jokes on us, folks and we're all but completely out of time.


You have a point but not exactly the one you made. Trump hasn't been in office long enough for your words to have weight except for this: we are out of time. The economy is about to bust. Robots are just about ready to take over. Socialism is inevitable. At least we have Trump to push the ball a little further so we can enjoy a few more years as individuals.



posted on Mar, 20 2017 @ 11:46 PM
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originally posted by: MyHappyDogShiner
a reply to: Phage

The juiciest part of that supposed "sacred election process" comment in the tweet is that he said he would honor the process "If I Win"...Like he doesn't have any respect for those who vote unless they vote for him.

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The nerve of the guy! Actually said what he thought and not what he knew you wanted to hear!! What a liar!



posted on Mar, 20 2017 @ 11:47 PM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse



If it wasn't for the fact that the IC has been surrounded in a lot of scandals recently in which we found out that the DNC denied the FBI access to the DNC servers, and instead hired a third private company to make allegations about "The Russians hacked us and interfered the election", and the FBI, the NSA went along with this lie even when they presented no evidence whatsoever to corroborate such claim.


That statement is about half true. The FBI did not examine the servers themselves. According to the FBI, the DNC in some way rebuffed them, according to the DNC, they were never asked. That said, some of what was provided by CrowdStrike (like C2 IP addresses) was independently verifiable. Even if you throw out much of the rest, including the implants that were shared, there was independent corroboration in evidence from Dell SecureWorks and others that CrowdStrike couldn't have faked unless they had started plotting a frame up of the Russians in 2015 and basically conducted a spear phishing campaign of their own, gained entrance and did a really good job of pretending to be Russian.

Is it possible that it was another state actor masquerading as Russia? It's not impossible but it's also not terribly likely, there's no evidence that suggests that to be the case and while not ideal — particularly in this case — for the FBI not to examine the servers themselves, the attribution isn't entirely reliant on those implants (the tools left behind).


If it wasn't for the fact that the FBI, lead investigator of Hillary Clinton email scandal, seems to have been bribed through a large donation to his wife with over $500,000 U.S.D. to her campaign. Not to mention the fact that that same FBI lead investigator was promoted first to the third highest position in the FBI and within a year to the second highest position in the FBI...


This is the sort of thing that really frustrates me. You spout this with conviction and just enough grains of truth of that people who already want to believe will take this as confirmation.

Virginia Gov. Terry McAuliffe, a Clinton ally, did encourage Jill McCabe to run and his PAC did contribute $467k to her VA State Senate campaign in early 2015. According to those involved, including Lt. Gov. Ralph Northam, McCabe had already been identified by VA Democrats and recruited to run. The meeting between McAuliffe and the McCabes was within a few days of the media breaking the story that Clinton had run a private email server but it was months before the FBI investigation started.

I don't know where you're coming up with this bit about Andrew McCabe being "lead investigator" into the Clinton email server either. At the time of his wife's campaign and up until he was appoined Deputy Director in February of 2016 by Comey, McCabe was an Associate Deputy Director and according to the FBI, had no oversight over the FBI's investigation into the Clinton email server. He wasn't promoted until months after his wife's election loss.

As Deputy Director, McCabe definitely had some oversight over the investigation in 2016. It was when? October that there were a couple of unnamed FBI sources who told WSJ that McCabe had told agents to "stand down" on some avenue of investigation or another. If you believe that McCabe was malfeasant, you must also believe that Comey was. Here's the difference between you and I — I say investigate the s# out of McCabe for impropriety.

In fact, last I heard, that's a part of what is currently being done by IG Michael Horowitz.


Then we had the former Director of National Intelligence under the Obama administration, James Clapper, lie once again as he claimed the first time around that the NSA under former President Obama wasn't storing data on million of Americans. Now that same Clapper claims the Obama administration did not wiretap Trump Tower, or President Trump while running for President of the U.S.


Boy, you hit all the right-wing echo chamber talking points! Good for you! Yes, James Clapper lied about NSA surveillance in March of 2013. I tell you, you and the tribe have no problem acknowledging opposition lies but you can't seem to extend that capability to cover Donald Trump for s#.

Clapper's defense was that he was specifically referring to the bulk collection of content rather than metadata. As a refresher, here was the question and answer:


Wyden: So, what I wanted to see if you could give me a yes or no answer to the question: Does the NSA collect any type of data at all on millions, or hundreds of millions of Americans?”

Clapper: “No, sir.”

Wyden: “It does not?”

Clapper: “Not wittingly. There are cases where they could inadvertently, perhaps, collect, but not wittingly.”


You can make up your mind about whether or not you believe Clapper, believe that he was intentionally lying, telling a half-truth while attempting to avoid disclosing meta data collection, etc.

But do you really, I mean REALLY want to start talking about lack of credibility? If that's the case, explain why the 100 lies I could name from Donald Trump don't make him the least credible person in your mind to have ever held the office of President of the United States of America.

Anyway, Clapper's statement to the media the day after Trump's tweets is just one statement. He resigned effective Trump's inauguration. The folks who are currently in charge at the FBI, NSA and DOJ are all saying the same thing. Do you have evidence of them lying to Congress that gives you a reason to negate their statements as well?


If it wasn't for all the controversy behind lies, half lies, and exaggerations which has surrounded the IC and their statements, I would have agreed with your claim. But that isn't the case.


Funny, that's how I feel about the Trump campaign and now Trump Administration and it's handling of its ties to Russia. Why all the lies?


Several people in the IC have been shown to be nothing but puppets of the DNC and the OBama administration....and you took it personally... I wonder why?


Huh? I took it personally because I referred to the IC collectively as "one of the greatest intelligence gathering apparatuses the world has ever known?" I often refer to the American military, quite correctly, as the greatest military force the world has ever known. Does that mean I'm taking something personally? Hell, I didn't even go with "the greatest intelligence gathering." Lmao.

Donald Trump is President and has been for two months now. Are he and his administration unable to get to the truth of whether or not phones at Trump tower, including his own, had calls intercepted at the behest of President Obama or not?

Where's the evidence? So far, we've had Spicer accuse the UK which resulted in a formal apology and claims that we should hit up Fox News for details because apparently, that's where the President gets the misinformation he further mangles in his tweets!




posted on Mar, 21 2017 @ 12:08 AM
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originally posted by: FamCore
From your title: The President Lied To The American People Again

Anyone who even has a basic understanding of how the government works or politics understands that politicians lie... it's what they do.

Do you seriously think if any other candidate were elected it would be a different story, with 100% unfiltered pure honesty and transparency? Do you live under a rock?

You made at least 73 Trump threads between May 20th and October 16th of last year alone. I just love how much energy is expended on issues like this... 73 threads in 5 months, from you alone.

Yes, Trump jumped the gun and shouldn't have said that.




Really? I mean SERIOUSLY really? Yeah all politicians lie but generally do so by bending the truth, withholding pertinent information or applying massive amounts of spin. I'm not sure I recall anything like this. This was not a flat out denial like Clinton or Nixon. Rather it was a seemingly unprovoked early morning series of tweets that directly accessed his predecessor of an extremely serious crime that by all accounts never occurred. I'm just waiting for him to actually shoot someone in the middle of 5th ave. I'm sure all of the TRUMPeters will show up to provide instruction in mental gymnastics....



posted on Mar, 21 2017 @ 12:13 AM
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originally posted by: theantediluvian
a reply to: ElectricUniverse



Donald Trump is President and has been for two months now. Are he and his administration unable to get to the truth of whether or not phones at Trump tower, including his own, had calls intercepted at the behest of President Obama or not?

Where's the evidence? So far, we've had Spicer accuse the UK which resulted in a formal apology and claims that we should hit up Fox News for details because apparently, that's where the President gets the misinformation he further mangles in his tweets!



Trump isn't going to go outside the IC to prove himself. There are MSM reports in the open that refer to wiretapping of his team, and it's these public domain accusations that are the basis for his claim. If he just gave us proof outside those channels you all would flat out reject it.


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ETA: It would be so easy for him to lie and make up proof. There is no one in the world that can claim to have better access to information. The fact that he is letting the Senate IC run the show says a lot.
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posted on Mar, 21 2017 @ 12:27 AM
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There are MSM reports in the open that refer to wiretapping of his team, and it's these public domain accusations that are the basis for his claim.


You mean fake news? Like the New York Times?

Is the president a victim of cognitive dissonance?


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posted on Mar, 21 2017 @ 12:30 AM
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originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Templeton




There are MSM reports in the open that refer to wiretapping of his team, and it's these public domain accusations that are the basis for his claim.


You mean fake news? Like the New York Times?


Yep. They aren't recognized as such to the majority of people though. Or at least to the Trump haters that will run with anything.



Is the president a victim of cognitive dissonance?


Aren't we all? But no, I wouldn't call Trump a victim. That's leftist malarkey.
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posted on Mar, 21 2017 @ 12:30 AM
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But, in this case, Trump thinks they're right.

Okey dokey.



posted on Mar, 21 2017 @ 12:31 AM
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originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Templeton

But, in this case, Trump thinks they're right.

Okey dokey.


He thinks they claimed it and should answer for that.



posted on Mar, 21 2017 @ 12:34 AM
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He thinks they claimed it and should answer for that.

Heh. Right. Um. No. He's making stupid excuses.



How low has President Obama gone to tapp my phones during the very sacred election process. This is Nixon/Watergate. Bad (or sick) guy!


Please show where the New York Times ever claimed that anyone tapped Trump's phones. That came out of his own, orange, head.



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posted on Mar, 21 2017 @ 12:34 AM
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a reply to: Phage

No, the way that would work is the NYTimes is a victim
of itself. They "planted" the story.

Either they printed falsehoods as truth, or they are right.

If they are right, Trump is vindicated. If they published
falsehoods as truth, Trump is vindicated.



posted on Mar, 21 2017 @ 12:35 AM
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a reply to: burntheships




Either they printed falsehoods as truth, or they are right.


Please show where the New York Times claimed that anyone tapped Trump's phones.



posted on Mar, 21 2017 @ 12:38 AM
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originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: burntheships




Either they printed falsehoods as truth, or they are right.


Please show where the New York Times claimed that anyone tapped Trump's phones.


Oh a literalist interpretation of a tweet huh. You are going to have a horrible 8 years



posted on Mar, 21 2017 @ 12:40 AM
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a reply to: Templeton

So, what do you think tapped my phones means?

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posted on Mar, 21 2017 @ 12:41 AM
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originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Templeton

So, what do you think "tapped my phones" means?


Surveillance and collection of communications. The kind of stuff that leads to transcripts of conversations.
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