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originally posted by: Gothmog
What President hasnt ?
Obama was Liar in Chief.
Regard the Senator that said "you lie" and was chastised. He actually was absolutely correct ( Obama Sh** Care would allow you to keep your policy and your doctor) The man deserves an apology from everyone....
You need a break from US politics
Perhaps a good science thread . Or joke pun thread
originally posted by: Sublimecraft
a reply to: theantediluvian
Comey and Rogers saying they have no evidence to verify the contents of Trumps tweets is not proof that Trump is lying - it simply verifies that the FBI and NSA are unaware of any actual wiretapping being conducted via their respective agencies. It is now incumbent (as it was the moment he hit the 'tweet' button) on Trump to cough-up the evidence that led him to tweet the accusation(s) in the first place.
I'm not quite at the stage of labeling him a politician yet, so even though his lips move does not mean he's BS's on the taxpayers dime (and time).
As I've said in that thread (about the wiretapping), 'a goose he may be but stupid he is not' - if Trump is not forthcoming with evidence to back up his claim, then he will fall on his own sword and all subsequent tweets will be treated with the same level of disdain as those ones, he will lose all credibility (with his supporter base) and win not win 2020, even if Hillary was the opposition candidate.
That's how much work he has to do to prove to me he is not stupid and prove that he does not treat the POTUS position as a platform to spread deliberate lies (like his predecessors have done).
originally posted by: mOjOm
a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan
I knew you were a Trumpanzee. But this is the first I've seen you be so open about it on here.
originally posted by: VengefulGhost
All politicians lie .
Thats life .
Deal with it it .
Stop whining go home tell mummy you need your nappy changed .
originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
The media defamed Obama. Trump just repeated the lies of the NYT and other MSM outlets.
It is not clear whether the intercepted communications had anything to do with Mr. Trump’s campaign, or Mr. Trump himself.
originally posted by: theantediluvian
On March 4th of this year, the President of the United States of America, a man who is privy to all of our nation's secrets, who has at his disposal one of the greatest intelligence gathering apparatuses the world has ever known — a man who holds the office which gives him what President Theodore Roosevelt termed the bully pulpit — used his position not to inform the American people, not to advance a worthwhile agenda for the good of Americans but rather, to tell a grievous lie about the former President and his administration:
How low has President Obama gone to tapp my phones during the very sacred election process. This is Nixon/Watergate. Bad (or sick) guy!
Gowdy: I understand that, Director Comey, and I'm trying really hard not to get you to discuss the facts at bar, but some of the words that appeared in this public reporting include the word transcript, which has a very unique use in the matters that you and I are discussing this morning. That is a very unique use of that word. Wiretap has a very specific meaning. The name of a U. S. citizen that was supposed to statutorily be protected is no longer protected. So, some of this reporting — let's assume 90 percent of it is inaccurate. That other 10 percent is still really, really important. And to the extent that you can rely on the dates in either the Washington Post or The New York Times, we are talking about February of this year is when the reporting first took place. So, we are, we're a month and a half or two months into something that you and I agree is incredibly important and also happens to be a felony. So, I'm just simply asking you to assure the American people. You've already assured them you take it really seriously. Can you assure them that it is going to be investigated?
Comey: I can't, but I hope people watching know how seriously we take leaks of classified information, but I don't want to confirm it by saying we're investigating it, and I'm sorry I have to draw that line. I just think that's the right way to be.
Gowdy: Well, I'm not going to argue with you, Director Comey, but it is — you know, we're going to discuss a lot of important things today, whether Russia attempted to influence our democratic process is incredibly important. Whether they sought to influence it is a separate analysis, incredibly important. The motive behind that interference and influence, incredibly important. Our U.S. response, incredibly important. Some of that may rise to the level of a crime. Some of it does not rise to the level of a crime. One thing you and I agree on is the felonious dissemination of classified material most definitely is a crime. So, I would ask you, and I understand some of the procedures that you are up against — I would humbly ask you to seek authority from whomever you need to seek authority from. Because I'm going to finish the same way I started. This is an agreement between the American people and its government. We are going to — we, the American people, give certain powers to government to keep us safe, and when those powers are misused and the motive is not criminal investigations or national security, then I'll bet you my fellow citizens are rethinking their side of the equation. Because that U. S. citizen could be them next time. It could be you. It could be me. It could be anyone until we start seriously investigating and prosecuting what Congress thought was serious enough to attach a 10-year felony to. With that, I would yield back, Mr. Chairman.
Comey: Can I just add a response to what you said? I agree with you, Mr. Gowdy. Two things folks at home should know. First, an unauthorized disclosure of FISA is an extraordinarily unusual event, so be assured were going to take it very seriously, because our trust -- the American people and the federal judges that oversee our work is vital. And second, that this conversation has nothing to do with 702. Folks often mix them together. 702 is about targeting non-U.S. persons overseas. Pursuant to the FISA statute, the FBI can apply to collect electronic surveillance in the United States, but it's a different thing from 702. The conversation you and I are just having is about this, which is vital and important, but I just didn't want to leave folks confused.
Gowdy: Director Comey, you are 100 percent correct, and I am 100 percent correct in saying that that is a distinction that doesn't make a difference to most of the people watching television. You are exactly correct. What we are reauthorizing this fall has nothing to do with what we are discussing, other than it is another government program where the people consent to allow government to pursue certain things with the explicit promise it will be protected. So, you're right, they're different. But in the eyes of people watching, it is the U. S. government officials leaking the name of a U. S. citizen, and if it can happen here, it may happen there. Trust me, you and I both want to see it reauthorized. It is in jeopardy if we don't get this resolved.