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Appropriate and Inappropriate Relationship

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posted on Mar, 20 2017 @ 06:34 AM
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My wife's grandparents were married around 50 years when they past away. The level of intimacy, love, and respect they had for each other was truly extraordinary. Over time as you become more comfortable and familiar with someone you develop a deeper level of intimacy. I've been with my second wife now for 20 years. The level of intimacy we share definitely makes our love making the best sex I've had in my life. The intimacy we share is very private between us. It's just not something we talk about or share with our friends. Some things are just between us.

So I was thinking about intimacy and how some administrators of the church have no sense of boundaries. It's like the church cultivates a culture where people are supposed to have no boundaries and share their deepest intimacy with the church administrators. I was wondering if there is some appropriate boundary someone should have with church administrators? People who work for the church are human beings. They are not God. So they are subject to all the worst aspects and tendencies of human nature.

So that is my question. Is there an appropriate set of boundaries one should have with their religion?

For example, assuming you accept pornography as moral, sharing your pornography search words is a very intimate act. Some things may just be best kept private. I'm not advocating pornography. I just heard a comedian do a bit on pornography search words and I thought it was funny. The comedian made a very funny distinction that they are not interested in experiencing what was happening in their search words. A really funny bit.

Anyway, the idea of what is appropriate and what is inappropriate boundaries is what this thread is about. I have studied Jungian psychology of character types. The "Divine Child" has no sense of boundaries in the world. The Divine Child experiences the world in its totality. There are no boundaries for the Divine Child. The Divine Child experiences everything with the deepest possible connection.

Another type to balance the Divine Child is the "Warrior". The Warrior has extreme powers of discernment. The Warrior knows where all boundaries are located. The Warrior knows exactly how to use just enough force to keep the boundaries defended. The Warrior knows his limitations. But unlike the Divine Child, the Warrior is cut off from his emotions. He stands alone from being connected with others. This gives the Warrior his power.

The "King" type governs the Divine Child and Warrior. The King keeps the two balanced so one doesn't become dominate. The Kind decides what is appropriate and what is not appropriate. But not everyone has a strong sense of personal authority. Many people simply do not know what is appropriate and what is not appropriate. Many people have a very weak King character which creates the possibility they will have their boundaries violated.

The "Magician" type is probably the most interesting of all the types I've studied. The Magician is the part of our character who knows the secret knowledge like psychology of types. There's darker side to the Magician type which is important to consider. That is the "Shadow Magician". The Shadow Magician uses the secret knowledge to manipulate other people violating their boundaries. The important thing about the Shadow Magician is once confronted that they are being manipulative they will often act innocent about it as another form of manipulation. Only a well balanced King can sniff out the manipulations of a Shadow Magician.

So when I think about appropriate and inappropriate behaviors by church administrators I am thinking in terms of psychology of types. As I said, the main question of this thread are there appropriate boundaries one should have with church administrators? And even further, dare I say, do we have any appropriate boundaries when it comes to God?

If we have no boundaries in relationship to God, and the church administrator represents God, then does the church administrator have the same level of intimacy with a person's soul as God?


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posted on Mar, 20 2017 @ 06:51 AM
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Philippians 4:8New International Version (NIV) 8 Finally, brothers and sisters, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable—if anything is excellent or praiseworthy—think about such things.



posted on Mar, 20 2017 @ 07:00 AM
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originally posted by: the2ofusr1
a reply to: dfnj2015



Philippians 4:8New International Version (NIV) 8 Finally, brothers and sisters, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable—if anything is excellent or praiseworthy—think about such things.


Lol who are humans to say?



posted on Mar, 20 2017 @ 07:20 AM
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a reply to: dfnj2015

Well done for pursuing an interesting line of inquiry.

I have read Jung and his work has real merit, though it is only another reference point.

The way I approach it is that God knows all any way. The Programmer wrote the code. There are no surprises.

It mentions in the Bible that we will be our own judges when the reckoning happens. The measure we use is the measure used.

I am struggling presently as God seems to be giving me messages that I should go to Church. However, I am a real loner and fierce individualist. I like to read and interpret this Universe on my own terms. I read lots of intelligent women and men, but they are always people who I somehow can relate to, even just in part. I am blessed to have literary company. Those writers and artists are real friends who are with me all my days in spirit through their words, art works and ideas.

Church Officials SCARE me because sometimes they are those who have fallen worse than the rest of us. We know all about the monstrous behavior of so many Priests, who are meant to be the pure among us, but are in fact the worst wolves in the sheepiest clothing. Also, it is like they are dictating to me: They tell me their version as though it is much worthier than mine and that our relationship must be Teacher and pupil, with me having no say and made to feel as powerless as the women were in Christ's time. Christ even remarked on it in the Mary and Martha account: When Martha told Mary off for not helping out in the kitchen and sitting with the men while Jesus spoke, He had words of reproach. Check it out in Luke 10:38-42:


38 As Jesus and his disciples were on their way, he came to a village where a woman named Martha opened her home to him. 39 She had a sister called Mary, who sat at the Lord’s feet listening to what he said. 40 But Martha was distracted by all the preparations that had to be made. She came to him and asked, “Lord, don’t you care that my sister has left me to do the work by myself? Tell her to help me!” 41 “Martha, Martha,” the Lord answered, “you are worried and upset about many things, 42 but few things are needed—or indeed only one.[a] Mary has chosen what is better, and it will not be taken away from her.”


I would gladly sit like Mary at Jesus' feet, but I would not even sit at the feet of Bob Dylan or Bob Marley and they are both my heroes. Often, babies teach me more than adults it must be said. Often, I know much more than they do about theology, the Bible and Israel's history. I have even been to Jerusalem and Israel to have a look for myself. It is strange having to listen to others acting like experts when you know more about the subject than they at times. If I had to do that all the time the faith would lose its taste. It has to be REAL. It must be SINCERE or they will ruin it and just make me yawn and fall asleep.

I would like to belong to a community, but I am too much of a loner and individualist. Whenever people challenge that I can get quite angry and even start cussing and cursing. It is like I can handle my faith, but whenever anyone else starts to interfere it ruins it and I start throwing the Bible around the room; that is no exaggeration. Let you teachers be few: isn't that what Simon Peter wrote in correspondence?

You are well lucky to have had a long term relationship. My fierce individualism has made that a problem area for me. They don't realize that I can't change and they get angry at me. There is nothing I can do about it. If they were to come with a sword and say change or have my head cut off, well I would still not be able to change with any sincerity.

You and your partner cherish what you have. It is mighty hard to come by these days and so worth maintaining. Lucky you, dfnj2015!


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posted on Mar, 20 2017 @ 07:59 AM
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a reply to: dfnj2015

Definition of the word church is important. Church, as a place to visit, as a hospital of sorts. Looking at the church from a biblical standard, it is a crumbling temple and house divided. If this were not the case, we would see one giant church in each community, all administrated as one unity. Instead, we find the root cause of this division.

When Jesus was tempted in the desert, he denied the rule and reign (administration) of the Kingdom of David on Earth. Although this was Yahweh's chief aim and desire in the Old Testament as Lord, the Son of Man (Lord reborn) woke up to the deception and refused the Kingdom. Who took the Kingdom from Satan? Rome. Today, the 'church' you are speaking of is a false Roman construct, which is why it is yet another crumbling temple. It is also why the image of God in the Bible (dead letter) is referred to as a living word falsely. The Living Word is in each of us, yet our temple will crumble as well, which is why sickness is the primary marker of one who needs a House of God.

The Body is the church and risen Christ. Collectively, the church is the larger body of humanity. We are not here to find a unified temple on Earth, but to experience the faltering temple of false illusion, which is the mystery held by God from the beginning of time. HIS administration of the Church is refinement toward the eventually body (temple) that will not crumble. To get to this True Kingdom, we must pass from this one, learning the prime lesson refinement teaches.

You go to the crumbling temple to find out why it crumbles. You go into life to see the same. You will end your life here the same way your in-laws ended their life. The false image will crumble, seeing the wood, hay and stubble burned away. What is left will build the next church, or transcend to a higher existence. It all depends on how the Sickness and Medicine in this life bring virtue as a byproduct. If more medicine is needed, your own hand will bring more sickness in another round of visits to the hospital of life on Earth.

Read Ephesians 1-5 for the Administration of God's Kingdom. Worship God in Spirit to find the truth behind this Temple and its Roman Churches. God is not represented by the building or the false priests in it. YOU are the Living Word now, not a shadow in words of books. You can, however, find the truth by watching how the shadow moves. Find the light allowing the shadow to be seen. Between you and God, the mediator (High Priest). WORD.

The Son of God is the Word. His Father is the Hebrew word Aleph Bet. What writes word? Find this and you locate the true Leader of the Congregation.


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posted on Mar, 20 2017 @ 08:36 AM
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I think Churches and their leaders should be facilitators of faith not controllers of culture. I don't think we need to tell them every little detail, nor should they be asking. I think, to an extent, churches have become too much like a support group, focusing on problems, rather than what helps people aspire in their faith and works.

We know human frailties like adultery, addiction or selfishness afflict people but those sorts of negative attributes should not be the focus. But so often in sermons, in an effort to relate to our day to day, the officiant will dwell on those kinds of predicaments or peccadilloes and - in a way - it acts to normalize them.

A tangential example - anti-drug programs. Well guess what, after attending one, now my kid knows about drugs and it wasn't even on his radar before. It's kind of the same in churches, IMHO. If they are always focusing on problems, they will be less likely to change the culture.

Energy goes where attention flows. I want my church to inspire me, to set forth a vision of what our faith should look like...not constantly discuss how we all fall short. I already know that.



posted on Mar, 20 2017 @ 10:53 AM
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If we have no boundaries in relationship to God, and the church administrator represents God, then does the church administrator have the same level of intimacy with a person's soul as God?

If you have a no boundaries, and a complete relationship with God, why do you need approval with a church administrator?

I understand having communion and fellowship with your church family, for support, sharing, learning, teaching and worship, but I feel the only time you would ask the foreman for permission to carry out the orders of the head boss, is if you doubted your ability to carry out the orders, and/or you didn't trust the head boss.

IMHO.



posted on Mar, 20 2017 @ 11:51 AM
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originally posted by: NightSkyeB4Dawn
a reply to: dfnj2015

If we have no boundaries in relationship to God, and the church administrator represents God, then does the church administrator have the same level of intimacy with a person's soul as God?

If you have a no boundaries, and a complete relationship with God, why do you need approval with a church administrator?

I understand having communion and fellowship with your church family, for support, sharing, learning, teaching and worship, but I feel the only time you would ask the foreman for permission to carry out the orders of the head boss, is if you doubted your ability to carry out the orders, and/or you didn't trust the head boss.

IMHO.





I do not really disagree with anything you are saying. Not every religion has confession. But many do. And even ones that do not, there are many people who are spiritual leaders who have no sense of boundaries. You could go the farthest extreme and argue all judgments with regards to sin and absolution are for God to decide.

If your boundaries are too strong, then people will accuse you of pretending to be God. It's a very strange relationship between you, God, and church.


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posted on Mar, 20 2017 @ 12:36 PM
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If your boundaries are too strong, then people will accuse you of pretending to be God. It's a very strange relationship between you, God, and church.

I truly understand what you are saying and it is why I have no love for any religion.

Any religion or church that puts itself between me and God, I reject. I know that is not possible for many people, and I don't judge. I had to take my leap of faith alone, and I have no fear of walking the path of faith alone. I would rather have a bunch of people that may or may not have my best interest at heart reject me, then for me to reject God.

In almost every religion, God spoke to and used the simplest and the lowly of his people. The kings, queens, and the religious leaders failed him on more than one occasion. Even though a few of the lowly that he commanded were broken, weak, unsure, and afraid, they have a much better track record than the elite among them.

I believe the religious leaders serve their purpose. I just don't believe that they always serve God above all purpose.



posted on Mar, 20 2017 @ 01:20 PM
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originally posted by: NightSkyeB4Dawn
a reply to: dfnj2015

If your boundaries are too strong, then people will accuse you of pretending to be God. It's a very strange relationship between you, God, and church.

I truly understand what you are saying and it is why I have no love for any religion.

Any religion or church that puts itself between me and God, I reject. I know that is not possible for many people, and I don't judge. I had to take my leap of faith alone, and I have no fear of walking the path of faith alone. I would rather have a bunch of people that may or may not have my best interest at heart reject me, then for me to reject God.

In almost every religion, God spoke to and used the simplest and the lowly of his people. The kings, queens, and the religious leaders failed him on more than one occasion. Even though a few of the lowly that he commanded were broken, weak, unsure, and afraid, they have a much better track record than the elite among them.

I believe the religious leaders serve their purpose. I just don't believe that they always serve God above all purpose.



Your post reminds me of the Zen Buddhist saying, "If you see the Buddha on the road, kill him!"

One time when I was in my twenties I had an argument with a born again Christian. I said I can't listen to anyone preaching to me on a pulpit because I believe absolutely authority comes from within. The guy then said, "Who told you that?" At which point I had an epiphany.

You know when you've really made a born again angry is when they start talking about eternal damnation and where your soul is going to go when you die. I said, "How bad can it be? It can't be any worse than living in New Jersey." The guy didn't even crack a smile!

I'm not quite as irreverent as I was nowadays. Back when the Internet was young, I used to participate in USENET threaded discussions. There was a forum for "Christianity Versus Atheism". When I was in my twenties I took the atheist position. But being an atheist is too easy. So just for fun I started arguing in support of Christianity. The atheists have razor sharp minds so it was really challenging arguing with them. And then after about 10 years a funny thing happened. I start to believe my own arguments! LOL!



posted on Mar, 20 2017 @ 01:22 PM
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originally posted by: the2ofusr1
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Philippians 4:8New International Version (NIV) 8 Finally, brothers and sisters, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable—if anything is excellent or praiseworthy—think about such things.


This may now be my absolute favorite quote from the Bible.



posted on Mar, 20 2017 @ 05:56 PM
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Did you notice that in the copies in Greek we have and in the two main newer documents that the NIV prides itself on the word "sisters" was never in any of those copies and therefore you have no way of knowing that unless they that is the creators of the NIV and it now six different versions.

What the AV translators did when ever they added a word to the text that was not there but needed to make the English read, flow and be grammatically correct the Italicized the word in question.

No compare the two versions and see if you can see what words were added and substituted and are not found in any Greek copies used for the AV, but some are found int he two the NIV prides it translation on but not in all 6 versions of the NIV

Philippians 4:8New International Version (NIV) 8 Finally, brothers and sisters, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable—if anything is excellent or praiseworthy—think about such things.

Php 4:8 Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.


what ever and what so ever are not the same in meaning, though at times they can but not every time. Are and Is do not carry the same meaning as well. Noble and Honest are not the same and have different meanings, Right and Just also are not the same and have differing meanings, again with Admirable and Good Report, Excellent or Praise worthy well let's admit Excellent is not in the oldest copies, lastly think on and think about are not actually the same either.

In the end one of these versions is incorrect they cannot both be the preserved word of God as stated God would do in Psalm 12:6, 7. The first NIV had over 82,000 omissions and changes compared to the AV which has all the verses words and phrases that the First through Sixth translation Versions of the NIV do not. As a matter of interest the first, second, third, fourth, fifth and Sixth versions of the NIV do not even agree with each other. And so not even have the same word counts and omissions and changes.

Best to find the one true preserved word of God it hasn't changed in 400 years and it will never change. NKJV has over 1,000 ommissions and changes in words, phrases, verses and sections compared to AV.



posted on Mar, 21 2017 @ 08:37 AM
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originally posted by: ChesterJohn
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Did you notice that in the copies in Greek we have and in the two main newer documents that the NIV prides itself on the word "sisters" was never in any of those copies and therefore you have no way of knowing that unless they that is the creators of the NIV and it now six different versions.

What the AV translators did when ever they added a word to the text that was not there but needed to make the English read, flow and be grammatically correct the Italicized the word in question.

No compare the two versions and see if you can see what words were added and substituted and are not found in any Greek copies used for the AV, but some are found int he two the NIV prides it translation on but not in all 6 versions of the NIV

Philippians 4:8New International Version (NIV) 8 Finally, brothers and sisters, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable—if anything is excellent or praiseworthy—think about such things.

Php 4:8 Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.


what ever and what so ever are not the same in meaning, though at times they can but not every time. Are and Is do not carry the same meaning as well. Noble and Honest are not the same and have different meanings, Right and Just also are not the same and have differing meanings, again with Admirable and Good Report, Excellent or Praise worthy well let's admit Excellent is not in the oldest copies, lastly think on and think about are not actually the same either.

In the end one of these versions is incorrect they cannot both be the preserved word of God as stated God would do in Psalm 12:6, 7. The first NIV had over 82,000 omissions and changes compared to the AV which has all the verses words and phrases that the First through Sixth translation Versions of the NIV do not. As a matter of interest the first, second, third, fourth, fifth and Sixth versions of the NIV do not even agree with each other. And so not even have the same word counts and omissions and changes.

Best to find the one true preserved word of God it hasn't changed in 400 years and it will never change. NKJV has over 1,000 ommissions and changes in words, phrases, verses and sections compared to AV.


With so many translators and versions obviously the Bible is now the word of man and not the word of God at this point.

But people translating the Bible to match their own personal beliefs is not the topic of this thread. Please stick to the original topic what is appropriate and inappropriate boundaries with religion and our participation with any church organization.


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posted on Mar, 21 2017 @ 07:03 PM
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I will repeat it again as I have in many threads. This is an issue of faith in God and his word.

David wrote that God will preserve his words to every generation forever.

So in order for that to be true then there is at least one of the 350 plus English versions of the Bible in English that is the preserved word. In English because that is the trade language of this generation. Psalm 12:6,7says,

Ps 12:6 The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. 7 Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.


Only one has all the verses in it.
Only one can define every word in it by its context
Only one had English word equivalence to the original words in Hebrew, Chaldean and Greek, which there are no existing originals today.
Only one has a supernatural cross reference system not found in any of the other 350 plus English Versions.

It took me years to find it and I am still learning from it today.

There are the preserved words of God today in English. It takes faith in God and his words to find it. Once you find it believe it.

you did us all a dishonor by using a dishonest version the first of six NIV versions that does not even identify what words were added to the text. Yes the NIV is a version of men. But God has preserved us his word and thereby if you are going to quote an error ridden book that does not have the honesty to show when and where it adds tot he text, a curse three times found int he Bible, I in the context of the thread and replies can and will point it out.


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posted on Mar, 21 2017 @ 07:08 PM
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originally posted by: ChesterJohn
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I will repeat it again as I have in many threads. This is an issue of faith in God and his word.

David wrote that God will preserve his words to every generation forever.

So in order for that to be true then there is at least one of the 350 plus English versions of the Bible in English that is the preserved word. In English because that is the trade language of this generation. Psalm 12:6,7says,

Ps 12:6 The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. 7 Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.


Only one has all the verses in it.
Only one can define every word in it by its context
Only one had English word equivalence to the original words in Hebrew, Chaldean and Greek, which there are no existing originals today.
Only one has a supernatural cross reference system not found in any of the other 350 plus English Versions.

It took me years to find it and I am still learning from it today.

There are the preserved words of God today in English. It takes faith in God and his words to find it. Once you find it believe it.

you did us all a dishonor by using a dishonest version the first of six NIV versions that does not even identify what words were added to the text. Yes the NIV is a version of men. But God has preserved us his word and thereby if you are going to quote an error ridden book that does not have the honesty to show when and where it adds tot he text, a curse three times found int he Bible, I in the context of the thread and replies can and will point it out.

these same men who created these perverted Bibles are the ones who want you to divulge your darkest secrets and intimacies with them. They are as perverted as the bibles they created to support their perverted teachings.


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posted on Mar, 22 2017 @ 06:23 AM
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originally posted by: ChesterJohn

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: dfnj2015


I will repeat it again as I have in many threads. This is an issue of faith in God and his word.

David wrote that God will preserve his words to every generation forever.

So in order for that to be true then there is at least one of the 350 plus English versions of the Bible in English that is the preserved word. In English because that is the trade language of this generation. Psalm 12:6,7says,

Ps 12:6 The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. 7 Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.


Only one has all the verses in it.
Only one can define every word in it by its context
Only one had English word equivalence to the original words in Hebrew, Chaldean and Greek, which there are no existing originals today.
Only one has a supernatural cross reference system not found in any of the other 350 plus English Versions.

It took me years to find it and I am still learning from it today.

There are the preserved words of God today in English. It takes faith in God and his words to find it. Once you find it believe it.

you did us all a dishonor by using a dishonest version the first of six NIV versions that does not even identify what words were added to the text. Yes the NIV is a version of men. But God has preserved us his word and thereby if you are going to quote an error ridden book that does not have the honesty to show when and where it adds tot he text, a curse three times found int he Bible, I in the context of the thread and replies can and will point it out.

these same men who created these perverted Bibles are the ones who want you to divulge your darkest secrets and intimacies with them. They are as perverted as the bibles they created to support their perverted teachings.



So with all these versions, translations, and interpretations then the Bible is really the word of man and not the word of God. This is what I've always suspected.

"The truth is in the Bible but that is not where you will find it." Zen Buddhist saying



posted on Mar, 22 2017 @ 06:27 AM
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I just amazed that nobody has really responded to my post. Maybe the idea of appropriate boundaries existing in religion has no resonating truth.



posted on Mar, 22 2017 @ 11:47 PM
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I like your choice of topic Df

Within the Christian faith you will find 2 distinct views regarding the boundaries of confession of sin and repentance.

Those of the catholic faith, their sins are to be confessed to their local priest in a private confessional box and the priest absolves them on their sin on behalf of Christ. They will often be given penitents to do such as hail Mary's etc any catholics here please can you elaborate because I have only a limited understanding of the confessional process.

For those of the protestant faith we confess our sins directly to God the Father in prayer and ask for and receive forgiveness of sins through the finished work of our Lord Jesus Christ and experience the grace (god''s unmerited favour) being extended to us in our daily lives as we work out out salvation daily. Within this process of confession is the decision to turn away from that sin and follow the path the Lord has set for that believer to walk.

I would love to hear any members who are of the orthodox faith as I am not sure if you follow confession as the catholics do or not?
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Boundaries of personal relationships within the Christian faith.

As Christians we are in the family of God. "Do not rebuke an older man harshly, but exhort him as if he were your father. Treat younger men as brothers, older women as mothers, and younger women as sisters, with absolute PURITY. 1 Timothy 5:1-2

As Christians we should view the relationships we are building within the Christian community we belong to through the lens of a healthy family. Which is culturally pure. ....." In a healthy family, it is NEVER acceptable to sexually violate your sister or mother. The same is true in the Kingdom. According to Paul, all women are either "my sister or my mother," and incest is unacceptable in the family of God (the obvious exception is that when you marry your spiritual sister, she becomes your wife and the paradigm shifts).

When your mind is renewed to perceiving ALL Christians as siblings in the family of God, then sexually immorality will cease being the major problem it has been. However, the danger of compromise looms when unhealthy hearts and perspectives remain in individuals. The bottom line is that we are each called to walk in absolute purity, and a shift in perspective will help us toward that direction." The Family Paradigm by Jonothan Welton pge 56 from Normal Christianity.

Within the Christian community if you have a dispute with anyone the ideal Biblical pattern is to try and resolve the conflict privately. If you are unable to resolve the conflict then you ask someone in leadership to assist in mediation and to come to a conflict resolution. Unfortunately this can be a very grey area as people allow their flesh/emotions to get the better of them rather than taking the higher ground in conflict and submitting to the Holy Spirit in these situations.



posted on Mar, 23 2017 @ 12:42 AM
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I was watching a report on the tv the other day about the widespread problem of pedophilia in the Catholic church.

Some of the clergy that had been accused of sexually abusing children (and then moved about to different locations over the years to keep them from being brought into court) were met with and interviewed on hidden camera. Some of them were very old now, and in nursing homes, and basically beyond caring much what they exposed about it, seeing as they were now beyond the risk of prosecution.

Some were very honest - one explained that his position of power "went to his head". He began to feel invulnerable and without limits. Especially when placed in areas like Africa, where the people were poor, regarded him with utmost respect, and trusted him with their children completely. It just became too easy to forget about boundries to respect with such power .

The question of power and it's ability to corrupt our notions of boundry and respect for the individual is one humans have grappled with forever. Can a person carry such power responsibly for a long period of time, without losing sight of respect for individuals?

I don't know. I sometimes feel irritated with those try to create a feeling of power through erasing perception of individual boundries- the whole "we are one" thing, and "there is no you and I, there is only this moment" thing, taken to extreme.

It creates the same experience of power- of being without boundry and limit. Which feels good- no doubt that the practice is as attractive as a drug. Humans all feel drawn to experiencing power. Become everything and everyone around you, (instead of just little human you) and it is rush of yummy hormones. But personally, I feel it is disrespectful and leads to a risk of abusing others - just as much as being in a position of God in a group.



posted on Mar, 23 2017 @ 03:00 AM
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a reply to: Bluesma

Thanks for sharing Bluesma,

These people even though they held positions of power in the religious community, they were definitely not disciples of Christ and if they have not repented of their wickedness they will soon find themselves in an even worse position that has eternal consequences. It amazes me how these people can be so stupidly lost. Jesus Himself warned if anyone hurts a little one, it would be far better that a millstone was tied around their neck and they were cast into the sea.



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