Elongated Skulls from Peru DNA Results

Maybe they felt this could make their children smarter with more space for their brains? Maybe they/we are descendants of aliens and these are closer to the original. Could just be inherited deformity.

a reply to: stormcell

Yes, there are many similarities, but if you check out Gobekli Tepe it is the same there, too:

www.smithsonianmag.com...

Six miles from Urfa, an ancient city in southeastern Turkey, Klaus Schmidt has made one of the most startling archaeological discoveries of our time: massive carved stones about 11,000 years old, crafted and arranged by prehistoric people who had not yet developed metal tools or even pottery. The megaliths predate Stonehenge by some 6,000 years. The place is called Gobekli Tepe, and Schmidt, a German archaeologist who has been working here more than a decade, is convinced it's the site of the world's oldest temple.

Sumer, too, has so many similarities with the Egyptians.

If we go on the basis that in each civilization there are roots from older civilizations; Rome to Greece to Mesopotamia etc then we can see how similarities happen. Wars happen and slaves are taken. People, like today, were uprooted by war, disease, drought and famine as refugees escaping conquest and had to walk to find a new home. That journey could have taken a long time, sponging up other cultural genes and influences along the way. Hebrews taken into captivity by Babylon were exposed to Hellenism and writing that inspired them to begin writing down their largely oral Torah. Babylon, too, was in turn influenced by the Hebrews as indeed to this day we are in the West. It is quite possible the Hebrews were of Sumerian/ Mesopotamian origin if we consider that Abraham came from Ur to Canaan and Ur is believed to have been in what is today Iraq. Even the Jews and Christians became refugees, ran away to many places as far afield as Morocco and Russia when the Romans sacked Israel and persecuted them.

It's amazing, but quite logical. We are getting very clever at tracing it now, aren't we.

Ok, Now this is Getting VERY interesting.

I recently watched this documentary, as below, that delves into the mystery that is current and past history of New Zealand.
Now, as has been mentioned previously on ATS, Maori oral history extends approx 1000 years, when the Maori discovered Aotearoa in the Southern Pacific Ocean.
But what their oral history also says, is that there were already people on the Islands.....Fair skinned, red hair green eyed peoples. Their legends also talk about giants with red hair, and small people with fair skin.
Either way, there were humans already on NZ before the Maori..........whom the Maori eventually had wars with and ate...most of them anyway.
Now, descendants of these Red haired people still exist in NZ....they are called the Ngati Hotu, there are still "native" people born with the throw back red hair green eyes gene.
In this documentary, a Ngati Hotu woman, a native NZer, had her DNA tested, and she is of the Haplogroup of Caucasian, specifically from the Persian area...........remember this is a native NZ person.

There is strong evidence of Pre Maori culture of up to 3000 years on NZ, with cultural similarities, language, writing etc to the Easter Isand, AND Peru in South America.

The Polynesians are of direct indigenous Taiwanese lineage and came from the East Asia region.
The Red hair Fair skin Ngati Hotu, are of Indo European Descent and were proposed to have came from the "West", from tribes that sailed to South America, then to Easter Island and other areas in the Pacific. Why? who knows.....

This recent DNA, actually shows that there may be a connection with South America and Europe, that has been denied in recent times.

There is even literature of up to a century ago, of old Maori and NZ tribe oral legends, and one is of the Fair skinned red haired people who had a great war with dark skinned people around the area of ancient India (Persia? Afghanistan?) about 200 generations ago....about 3500 years ago, and left "Europe" and travelled to a great land to the West (South America), and eventually out to the islands...



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This new DNA find is Very interesting.....lets see how long "Mainstream" science will take to deny it and call it false.

Which it appears, to be correct.

We are still learning even about our own species. Current theories will come crashing down.

a reply to: gort51

Yes, that is fascinating. Look how many lands Jewish people are in throughout the world; from New Zealand to Alaska and their dispersal happened only 2000 years ago. Humans are amazingly nomadic. That is one of the reasons why we are so evolutionary strong and are so good at surviving.

Lol, these boots are made for walking!

a reply to: ancienthistorian

An interesting thread which presents decent info that seems to be properly interpreted.

However, I remember reading somewhere in the last few years that centuries old hair tends to turn red after awhile. Whether or not that is true or false proves nothing in this case, except if that is true than the interpretation of the red hair color is wrong on the true scientific basis of its being "red" and that leaves other aspects open to question.

originally posted by: slider1982
I know this is a massive long shot but would that mean that there was global contact for these cultures and as such it would raise the very real question that it why we see cultures world wide "that we are told" did not have contact yet had similar beliefs and ways of building?, thinking pyramids here for a quick reference..

Would this discovery not mean the whole of Human migration will need to be looked at??..

RA

There is a not too far fetched theory that we had already achieved the later stages of agriculture earlier than 13000 years ago... as the mainstream picture sells it.


That the Clovis meteorite that wiped out the north American mega fauna , basically caused humanity to reset..

originally posted by: slider1982 and Maxatoria
I know this is a massive long shot but would that mean that there was global contact for these cultures and as such it would raise the very real question that it why we see cultures world wide "that we are told" did not have contact yet had similar beliefs and ways of building?, thinking pyramids here for a quick reference..

Would this discovery not mean the whole of Human migration will need to be looked at??..

RA

This is part of the revelation in our understanding of ancient history that is soon to rewrite all history books.
We know so little of civilizations that were totally wiped out and destroyed records. We are starting to read between the lines with all that has been discovered recently.

originally posted by: JoshuaCox

originally posted by: slider1982
I know this is a massive long shot but would that mean that there was global contact for these cultures and as such it would raise the very real question that it why we see cultures world wide "that we are told" did not have contact yet had similar beliefs and ways of building?, thinking pyramids here for a quick reference..

Would this discovery not mean the whole of Human migration will need to be looked at??..

RA

There is a not too far fetched theory that we had already achieved the later stages of agriculture earlier than 13000 years ago... as the mainstream picture sells it.


That the Clovis meteorite that wiped out the north American mega fauna , basically caused humanity to reset..

Göbekli Tepe has been proven to be at least 11,000 years old, and they have not reached the bottom of the layered construction, as it was built over on top of itself many times. It could be much older. Certainly, hunter-gatherers could not build that place, as it had a population that would have required cooperated agriculture, and it most likely was responsible for enabling recovery from that reset point, as you suggest.

a reply to: EartOccupant

The theory is that there are "originals". There are skulls with a considerably larger brain capacity, which would not occur due to binding. These skulls also have less "suture" lines than a normal human skull. The website referred to in the OP was recently on the "Higherside Chats" podcast. Was very interesting.

a reply to: TobyFlenderson

re: "larger brain capacity"

I've heard that too. Seems like the headbinding explanation doesn't quite answer everything.

originally posted by: charlyv

originally posted by: JoshuaCox

originally posted by: slider1982
I know this is a massive long shot but would that mean that there was global contact for these cultures and as such it would raise the very real question that it why we see cultures world wide "that we are told" did not have contact yet had similar beliefs and ways of building?, thinking pyramids here for a quick reference..

Would this discovery not mean the whole of Human migration will need to be looked at??..

RA

There is a not too far fetched theory that we had already achieved the later stages of agriculture earlier than 13000 years ago... as the mainstream picture sells it.


That the Clovis meteorite that wiped out the north American mega fauna , basically caused humanity to reset..

Göbekli Tepe has been proven to be at least 11,000 years old, and they have not reached the bottom of the layered construction, as it was built over on top of itself many times. It could be much older. Certainly, hunter-gatherers could not build that place, as it had a population that would have required cooperated agriculture, and it most likely was responsible for enabling recovery from that reset point, as you suggest.

That's the theory..

That there were 2 comets that hit within a couple decades..

The first was the Clovis one which causes a nuclear winter. Then the second one hits the ocean and the steam heats the planet back up..

Which is where mainstream history picks up

a reply to: gort51

I know the story,and also Maori can't make their minds up about when they landed here,some say 900ad,some say 1400ad. Take the koru pa in taranaki for example,a massive fortification that would have taken hundreds of people a good few years to build,yet its claimed to be made by Maori,how can that be when there was only a few boatloads of them that landed? Because it was already here when they landed. Again look at the raglan tattooed rocks,with glyphs,Maori had no written language at all. There are many examples of such yada yada yada.

a reply to: gort51

This fellow Terje Dahl did quite a few explorations via sailboat in the 80's speaking with various islanders about past history, legend, origins and customs of their people.

Giants of the Pacific Islands

originally posted by: Revolution9
a reply to: ancienthistorian

They most likely came the other way, over the Bering Strait. It is pretty much a fact that the Native Americans came down from Alaska and I think South America was populated from the North, not over the sea. People could easily have traveled over thousands of years across Russia from Northern Europe.

*EDIT: Just discovered there was another land bridge:

"Instead of the Bering Strait there was a land bridge [30,000 years ago], because during the Ice Age much water was locked in glaciers and the level of the world's oceans was lower,"

I used to think that the Egyptians crossed the Atlantic, but now we know of pyramids all over the earth, from China to Egypt to Aztec South America and so many others. Pyramids seem to have an almost universal origin.

The elongated head trend also features in many cultures of antiquity in many places and times on the earth. Trade routes were all over the earth I am sure of it. If you check out the Aborigine Song Lines we get an idea of the intricacy and almost magic of ancient infrastructure. People have wandered and sailed all over this earth for many thousands of years.

These genetic findings do not surprise me one bit.

Oh my gosh, how have I never heard of something so magical and fantastic until your post?!? Are you an aussie is that how you know? Whatever the cased thanks im all over this now. And I haven't even searched yet to see if I can hear one of these songs (course o won't understand it...)

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Head binding was a common practice with the ancient peoples of the Mezo-American pre-Columbian New World. It was considered beautiful and a symbol of status and power.

If the earliest prehistoric humans were all similar in their lifestyles and beliefs, then it stands to reason that later populations, widely separated by distance, would develop similar cultural characteristics and technological achievements over time. Parallel cultural development is the commonly accepted theory of the similarities between ancient cultures separated by time and space.

Regardless, the DNA evidence is provocative. Perhaps the physical differences, like red hair or light eye color, were considered a sign from the gods that they were to be respected and to be given a special status. So there were given the royal head shape by the binding technique to fit in with the upper classes.

Double Post.

a reply to: AlexandrosTheGreat

I'm not Aussie, but Australia does interest me a lot. The Aborigines are well fascinating; they have survived in an often very extreme and challenging natural wilderness for thousands of years.

I came across the "Songlines" in a book by Bruce Chatwin:

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The Songlines is a 1987 book written by Bruce Chatwin, combining fiction and non-fiction. Chatwin describes a trip to Australia which he has taken for the express purpose of researching Aboriginal song and its connections to nomadic travel. Discussions with Australians, many of them Indigenous Australians, yield insights into Outback culture, Aboriginal culture and religion, and the Aboriginal land rights movement.

It has always been a dream of mine to spend a night out under the stars with a traditional clan by a nice bonfire listening to didgeridoo music and getting a glimpse of their thing.

www.snopes.com...
lol anything with Foerster as a source should immediately ring alarm bells

a reply to: Bone75
Well, to be fair, it's just talking about the mtDNA, which comes from the mother. Remember, it was the 'sons of gods' who married 'the daughters of men,' so you can supposedly keep that dream alive.

a reply to: Marduk
Out of curiosity, what does that Snopes article have to do with the OP? The OP does not claim that the mtDNA is alien, but that it is generally European in origin.