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Hollywood: ‘This is like ‘30s Germany’

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posted on Mar, 18 2017 @ 11:03 PM
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a reply to: TruMcCarthy

Yeah, I consider myself a classical liberal.

"Classical liberalism is a political ideology and a branch of liberalism which advocates civil liberties and political freedom with representative democracy under the rule of law, and emphasizes economic freedoms found in economic liberalism which is also called free market capitalism."




posted on Mar, 18 2017 @ 11:03 PM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: MacK80


People like you are the reason the negative parts of "Liberal" stuck and redefined it. I swear.


And yet. . . . I consider myself a liberal.


I'd agree you're liberal. Not the one you suggested. Good point though.
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posted on Mar, 18 2017 @ 11:05 PM
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a reply to: MacK80

Being liberal, at least to me, is believing in more freedoms, not less.



posted on Mar, 18 2017 @ 11:06 PM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

huh, right leaning liberal, liberal republican?



posted on Mar, 18 2017 @ 11:08 PM
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originally posted by: TruMcCarthy
I don't like when liberals compare republicans to NAZIS, and I don't like it vice versa either. Clearly Hollywood is a liberal propaganda machine, but comparing them to NAZIS is way over the line right now.


Their Hyper-Tribalist Identity Politics are straight out of Nazi Germany (they even one up the Nazi's so effectively they even one upped themselves by at least one metric).

As is their 'Oppressor Model' conspiracy theory concept (except its whites instead of Jews).

Their Antifa/BLM/MoveOn/BAM/etc 'Blackshirt' brigades are straight up Nazi Brownshirt's style.

They scrape and beg to Islamofacism (a term crafted in the 1930's, NOT by Neocon's in the 2000's), rabidly foaming at the mouth in defending its most brutally hardcore tenets (despite being in the most spectacular contradiction to everything they claim to be all about), not unlike how you'd expect the original Fascists and Nazi's to be co-sympathizers.

Their censorship is directly modeled from Nazi Germany. They've taken it to a whole nother level even with their constant re-writing the English language in their censorship, reverse-bullying, etc scheming.

Their Cult of Personality yearning is the stuff of legends. They tend to believe that Obama walketh without sin, and talketh without lies. The man, and Hillary, they blew up Syria. Human rights disaster they CAUSED. War CRIMINALS they are. And the left are out beating up people opposed to them for it.

Then we have the left all happy about these ideas of the propaganda media in conjunction with the CIA overthrowing our democratically elected government.

Their social engineering is eerily similar, albeit even more ubiquitous and diabolical than Hitler's Youth. Get em when they're young and you've got them for life, knows every pro PR.

The systematic designs of their movement, and power structure (beyond the mere Republican+Democrat parallel power structures that is), the upcommance of it post-Obama, is like reading the history of the Nazi's integration schemes in their rise to power.

And so on.


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posted on Mar, 18 2017 @ 11:09 PM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

The second part is appreciating political minorities. I'm guessing less support from you on that one?



That's the part that 'has become a monster', correct?

For Democrat/Liberal, as an example, a Liberal view is multiple parties of different origins should win over the years so all voices are heard in a Government. The Democratic view is: Win at any cost. There is a true disconnect here even if people refuse to see it. The default dropping of liberal in place of Democrat just doesn't fit.



posted on Mar, 18 2017 @ 11:11 PM
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originally posted by: Arnie123
a reply to: DBCowboy

huh, right leaning liberal, liberal republican?


I voted for republicans, also voted for democrats.

Independent.



posted on Mar, 18 2017 @ 11:12 PM
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a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss


The Nazi Party destroyed the political apparatus of the working class, broke the trade union movement, and handed the economy over to German capitalist monopolies. "Socialism" in the mind of the NSDAP involved either the SA's street fighting fantasy of a German nation recast in the image of the right wing worker; or, the NSDAP's central apparatus' conception of a pliant breeding nation. "Socialism" was for the NSDAP the forced mobilisation of the ethnic nation.

Many Germans at the time, particularly right wing Germans, associated these values with a Bismarkian right wing policy that had been called "Socialism," in the sense of state provided goods and services. To take political advantage of this feeling, the NSDAP named itself "National Socialist." The NSDAP did not hope for the abolition of capitalism, nor for workers' control.

In addition to this economic position, the NSDAP wished to reunify their imaginary German nation by force; impose a German order on Europe through war; and to eliminate their imaginary racial "other."

These combination of policies are considered "right wing."

Ordinary socialism, in the sense of workers' control of production, was considered left wing at the time.


Hitler was about as Democratic as "The Democratic People's of North Korea". I'll agree he was a Liberal if it makes you feel better, but his ideology was completely Right Wing.



posted on Mar, 18 2017 @ 11:13 PM
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originally posted by: MacK80
Let's just talk about Hitler real quick, because he's often painted as Right Wing, and he was. Ok, so back to our Bingo sheet, Right wing=Conservative, but nope, Hitler was one of the most Liberal leaders of all time. .


Actually, I agree with you 100%. Hitler was right-wing in the sense that he was a true nationalist, but also he was very liberal in modern terms. He often talked about sacrificing your wealth for the sake of the nation. About helping the poorest Germans as a way of increasing national pride and productivity. He was a crazy mix of modern right and left wing. I actually think Hitler could have been fantastic, if he hadn't taken his views to the maximum extreme. I love watching Hitler speeches, I agree with 80-90% of what he said, but not 80-90% of what he did. The elite "jews" Hitler was right to speak out about, the average Jew Hitler acted against, he was totally wrong about.



posted on Mar, 18 2017 @ 11:13 PM
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a reply to: Arnie123

All republicans, libertarians, constitutionalists etc are "liberal". Not all modern "liberals" are actually "liberal". In fact "liberal" is a HORRIBLE description for modern progressive democrats. Who knows how they obtained the "liberal" title. I see it as a way to make the party look noble and good, and some dems are decent to this point. However, it's deceptive as HELL! The MODERN "progressive liberal" is just a horrible stain on society. They are wolves in sheeps clothing. They are not "victims" they are VULTURES.
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posted on Mar, 18 2017 @ 11:13 PM
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originally posted by: MacK80
a reply to: DBCowboy

The second part is appreciating political minorities. I'm guessing less support from you on that one?



That's the part that 'has become a monster', correct?

For Democrat/Liberal, as an example, a Liberal view is multiple parties of different origins should win over the years so all voices are heard in a Government. The Democratic view is: Win at any cost. There is a true disconnect here even if people refuse to see it. The default dropping of liberal in place of Democrat just doesn't fit.


Ideologies aren't "right".

Truth is "right".

Many ideologies share small pieces of the truth.



posted on Mar, 18 2017 @ 11:14 PM
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a reply to: MacK80

And that speaks to which part of what I wrote??

That you read what I put together, and then managed to go and find and craft that citation for me, in a mere 4 minutes: IMPRESSIVE!
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posted on Mar, 18 2017 @ 11:15 PM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

Ah, I see.



posted on Mar, 18 2017 @ 11:21 PM
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a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

You want to depict the Left as Nazi's. I'm just noting incase people forgot, Hitler was very Right.

Hillary isn't comparable to Hitler, neither is Bush, Trump is closest, and is a non-comparison. He's a generally liberal Right wing leader that speaks well and people are freaked by it. If he was Conservative there would be a total lack of this reaction.



posted on Mar, 18 2017 @ 11:22 PM
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a reply to: MacK80

I wasn't talking about actual political philosophy, but nice deflection attempt.

I generally dont hassle people over their actual philosophies, unless its just insane. I'd wager most of the Nazi's politics outside of the racist, identity politics, and war mongering type stuff, probably sounded pretty sane. The liberal stuff its like every part of it now doesn't add up not at all hardly. Gotta save the inner cities, oh but we also have to make them sanctuary cities for infinite wayward illegal immigrants to steal the jobs from the blacks (thus making it IMPOSSIBLE to save the inner cities). We love the gays, oh but we love Sharia Law (which is all MURDERING people for being gay) even more. We're the true Americans, whom fight in the streets for totally open borders and trade deals that gut us and blah blah Globalism blah. Etc.

You people almost make me want to be a conservative (which get ready for this: I am not).

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posted on Mar, 18 2017 @ 11:24 PM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

You know the phrase, if you not a liberal before 30 you have no heart, and if you're not a conservative after 30 you have no brain?

It needs to be updated.
If you're not Liberal, you don't have a heart,
If you're never Conservative, you don't have a brain.

The idea they can't be both mutually beneficial is deep-rooted.
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posted on Mar, 18 2017 @ 11:29 PM
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a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

Poetically incorrect is what I think when I read your posts.

I already know I'm generally incorrect at times, your format suggests you think otherwise with your detailed bullet points of your own breed of propaganda.

There is no shortage of sewage in politics. I agree with some of what you said, but the lens discluding the Right from the examples is pandering that I can't. Why waste an opportunity to blast them both when it applies? Your personal agenda.



posted on Mar, 18 2017 @ 11:32 PM
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a reply to: MacK80

I can agree with that.



posted on Mar, 18 2017 @ 11:32 PM
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a reply to: MacK80

Address my opening post!

ANY political movement can model themselves after ANY other political movement. Just like governments can. And militaries. Where actual political philosophy can be entirely irrelevant to the discussion.

All political parties, governments, etc are are BRANDS. Political campaigns are marketing campaigns.

Starting to make sense now?

This is reality; it's how stuff works.

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posted on Mar, 18 2017 @ 11:37 PM
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a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

I agree with some of it. The social engineering and censorship for example.

Propaganda and Cult behavior is Right wing dominant though, no doubt in my mind at all.

The way you say 'their movement' 'left' etc, you're just not on my level. The issue is larger than a single party in our political infrastructure. Framing Hillary as Hitler does nothing for me. I see too much of Hitler in both. It's now the Red Nazi's verses the Blue Nazi's, that's the only difference I see.
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