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US says 'strategic patience' on NK is over
Tillerson says military option is on the table, calls China’s THAAD retaliation ‘inappropriate, troubling’
Rex Tillerson: Pre-emptive military action against North Korea is an option.
Secretary of State Rex Tillerson says pre-emptive military action against North Korea is possible "if they elevate the threat of their weapons program to a level that we believe requires action."
"All of the options are on the table," Tillerson said when asked at a press conference Friday with South Korean foreign minister Yun Byung-se in Seoul whether he would rule out military conflict against North Korea.
“They have been ‘playing’ the United States for years,” Trump said. “China has done little to help!”
Tillerson’s remarks were some of the most forceful yet from the Trump administration and signaled the U.S. was closing the door on a more conciliatory approach as it looks to curtail Kim Jong Un’s nuclear and ballistic-missile programs. With the range of North Korea’s missiles getting closer to North America, Tillerson is seeking a new approach as part of a trip to Japan, South Korea and China.
“Let me be very clear: this policy of strategic patience has ended,” Tillerson said. “All options are on the table. North Korea must understand that the only path to a secure, economically prosperous future is to abandon its development of nuclear weapons, ballistic missiles, and other weapons of mass destruction.”
originally posted by: 727Sky
I remember back in the early 70s and the military intelligence briefings saying that a reunification between the two Korea's was inevitable in a very near future.. Why they ever call it an intelligence briefing instead of something else is beyond me especially with what we have seen over the last 50 years with them basically getting many things we hear totally and absolutely wrong..With all the money siphoned off by NSA and the CIA we should know without a doubt when anyone anywhere even passes gas but alas maybe they are to busy looking in all the wrong places ?
Anyway as of now it looks like the administration has finally said enough is enough.. The fly in the ointment is of course China which has decided to punish S. Korea by screwing with their trade deals because of the US supplied S.Korea's Terminal High Altitude Area Defense system being put in place.. Stay tuned as the South China Sea issue and Korea are just getting a tad bit warmer IMO.
www.koreaherald.com...
US says 'strategic patience' on NK is over
Tillerson says military option is on the table, calls China’s THAAD retaliation ‘inappropriate, troubling’
abcnews.go.com...
Rex Tillerson: Pre-emptive military action against North Korea is an option.
Secretary of State Rex Tillerson says pre-emptive military action against North Korea is possible "if they elevate the threat of their weapons program to a level that we believe requires action."
"All of the options are on the table," Tillerson said when asked at a press conference Friday with South Korean foreign minister Yun Byung-se in Seoul whether he would rule out military conflict against North Korea.
www.bloomberg.com...
“They have been ‘playing’ the United States for years,” Trump said. “China has done little to help!”
Tillerson’s remarks were some of the most forceful yet from the Trump administration and signaled the U.S. was closing the door on a more conciliatory approach as it looks to curtail Kim Jong Un’s nuclear and ballistic-missile programs. With the range of North Korea’s missiles getting closer to North America, Tillerson is seeking a new approach as part of a trip to Japan, South Korea and China.
“Let me be very clear: this policy of strategic patience has ended,” Tillerson said. “All options are on the table. North Korea must understand that the only path to a secure, economically prosperous future is to abandon its development of nuclear weapons, ballistic missiles, and other weapons of mass destruction.”
I wonder what the situation would be now Duterte (president of the Philippines) has kicked all US military out of the country and as such the US are longer able to use the location as a base which would have been the obvious choice if a campaign was to be launched in the region.
originally posted by: Vector99
a reply to: 727Sky
If the US has secured a 100% deterrent against a retaliation against South Korea, do it.
Problem is, there isn't a feasible plan of action at the moment.
Our best option is to keep pressuring China in the South China Sea, and offer them a deal they can't refuse. They invade NK and assume power, and we back off of their islands.
originally posted by: Vector99
a reply to: 727Sky
If the US has secured a 100% deterrent against a retaliation against South Korea, do it.
Problem is, there isn't a feasible plan of action at the moment.
Our best option is to keep pressuring China in the South China Sea, and offer them a deal they can't refuse. They invade NK and assume power, and we back off of their islands.
originally posted by: D8Tee
originally posted by: Vector99
a reply to: 727Sky
If the US has secured a 100% deterrent against a retaliation against South Korea, do it.
Problem is, there isn't a feasible plan of action at the moment.
Our best option is to keep pressuring China in the South China Sea, and offer them a deal they can't refuse. They invade NK and assume power, and we back off of their islands.
Calculations have been done that suggested well over 10,000 artillery rounds and potentially 4,000 long-range artillery rounds could be fired at Seoul per minute.
They're gonna get some rounds off if the States attacks them, be lots of dead bodies.
originally posted by: D8Tee
a reply to: 727Sky
There's gotta be a better way to resolve this than all out war, whats Dennis Rodman have to say about?
originally posted by: wantsome
That little fat guy saw what happened to Sadam.
originally posted by: wantsome
China will do what ever possible to help the north. The last thing China wants is a free unified Korea.
originally posted by: 727Sky
originally posted by: D8Tee
originally posted by: Vector99
a reply to: 727Sky
If the US has secured a 100% deterrent against a retaliation against South Korea, do it.
Problem is, there isn't a feasible plan of action at the moment.
Our best option is to keep pressuring China in the South China Sea, and offer them a deal they can't refuse. They invade NK and assume power, and we back off of their islands.
Calculations have been done that suggested well over 10,000 artillery rounds and potentially 4,000 long-range artillery rounds could be fired at Seoul per minute.
They're gonna get some rounds off if the States attacks them, be lots of dead bodies.
Yep and I have seen/heard figures even higher...Where is Snarl when you need him... He was in Korea until last year and was positioned to know about such stuff..
originally posted by: Snarl
originally posted by: 727Sky
originally posted by: D8Tee
originally posted by: Vector99
a reply to: 727Sky
If the US has secured a 100% deterrent against a retaliation against South Korea, do it.
Problem is, there isn't a feasible plan of action at the moment.
Our best option is to keep pressuring China in the South China Sea, and offer them a deal they can't refuse. They invade NK and assume power, and we back off of their islands.
Calculations have been done that suggested well over 10,000 artillery rounds and potentially 4,000 long-range artillery rounds could be fired at Seoul per minute.
They're gonna get some rounds off if the States attacks them, be lots of dead bodies.
Yep and I have seen/heard figures even higher...Where is Snarl when you need him... He was in Korea until last year and was positioned to know about such stuff..
Back 30 years ago, I used to help write the Intelligence reports on North Korea’s capabilities. I’ve been in the right circles to hear things right up to last year. Hearing, professional speculation, and knowing are three different things. I don’t think even North Korea knows what their capabilities are at any given time.
Artillery has long been referred to as The King of Battle. I got blown up pretty good in an artillery barrage. I promise … it is an enduring terror for me … and probably less than 30 shells were fired my way.
Back in the day we had a first-strike policy on the North. If they brought X amount of capability forward to firing positions we (the ROKs mostly) would respond with tactical nukes from our own conventional artillery.
The ROKs gave our nukes back to us in the 80s and they were rewarded with the ’86 Asian Games and the ’88 Olympics (events which transformed the ROK from a military dictatorship into a rising star amongst 1st world countries). You would really have had to have been there to see it, to understand what I’m trying to tell you.
I was still in and out of uniform back then. The Intel estimates were exceptionally grim in the early 90s. So, 25 years back, was probably the most worrisome time for us Soldier-boys. Back then (and this is where my ‘professional speculation’ peters out) North Korea could lift an entire grid square (1 square kilometer) off the Earth every three to five seconds. It was believed they could sustain this rate of destruction for as much as 10 minutes. I think I’m remembering that pretty accurately. That might be on the low-side sustainment wise.
I think this story, in conjunction with this administration’s reconsideration of re-arming the ROKs with nukes, has lots of heads raising and lots of darting glances at one another. I could probably shed more light, but I don't want to bore people to death.