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Immigrants are going hungry so Trump won’t deport them

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posted on Mar, 17 2017 @ 11:43 PM
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originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: Vector99
A food box system is a simple and viable solution. Let me break it down.


1. It removes choice in the foods you eat.
2. It's still a horrible wage.
3. Employment services don't work when there aren't jobs out there in the first place. Besides, have you ever seen the quality of job these places put you in? They're typically positions with zero opportunity for advancement.
4. Most who are on food stamps are already employed, why should they have to work for the state for food, when they already have a job that's supposed to be providing a paycheck that they can use on food?
5. Public busses don't exist in most areas of the US.
6. What are the homeless supposed to do with this food? They're not going to have access to refrigeration, stoves, or ovens for it.

You made a nice attempt, a failed one, but nice try

1. When someone else purchases your food, you tend to be left without the option of choice.
2. There isn't a wage. it's community service in exchange for food. 5-10 hours for $400-800 worth of food is a fair wage.
3. There are plenty of jobs available for those that seek them
4. I said 5-20 hours per month, depending on amount needed. 20 hours a month is less than 1 hour per day. If you can't work less than 1 hour per day to get food, you don't deserve food.
5. Seriously? Now you're making stuff up. Public transportation is available almost everywhere.
6. The homeless should take advantage of the employment resource center I said would be included. Then take their food to the local homeless shelter and stay there and store their food there.

But yea, instead let's just pay people with tax dollars a salary to give people food paid for by tax dollars without discretion.

You are ridiculous.




posted on Mar, 18 2017 @ 12:10 AM
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a reply to: Vector99

I can see community service or attending some function or whatever as being totally reasonable for anyone getting aid that has no job or school or anything. It doesn't always have to be work somewhere. It could be some other form of socialization of some kind because meeting people and getting out is how you find work and become productive.

But that only includes those who are healthy and mobile and can get out. Also you'd exclude anyone who's working or doing some other thing that already get's them out socially like that.

Basically it would be so people just don't sit home doing nothing at all. That's not a majority of them anyway so it wouldn't be that difficult.

But most people do work they just don't make enough money to scrape out any kind of living so they need something extra. That's what the working poor is. People doing jobs that pay very little and have little to no advancement but they work them for their whole lives.



posted on Mar, 18 2017 @ 01:41 AM
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a reply to: mOjOm

Fair enough, I did fail to mention the disabled.
I do remain adamant on the prospect of the community service being done at the food center itself though, even at 20 hours per month, if they receive $800 worth of food monthly they are basically getting $40 per hour, just not in money, rather equal value in food. How is that bad?


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posted on Mar, 18 2017 @ 01:41 AM
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posted on Mar, 18 2017 @ 02:05 AM
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originally posted by: Vector99
1. When someone else purchases your food, you tend to be left without the option of choice.


EBT is someone else purchasing my food. It leaves me with plenty of choice.



2. There isn't a wage. it's community service in exchange for food. 5-10 hours for $400-800 worth of food is a fair wage.


10 hours for $800 worth of food would be a good deal. But unless I drastically misunderstood you, that's not what people would be getting. They would be getting 20 hours for something similar to what is given out now which is about $100 worth of food. If it's an amount similar to what EBT pays, it would often times be even less.



3. There are plenty of jobs available for those that seek them


I don't believe you. What's more, I don't believe there are any jobs worth doing. The point of work is to better your position in life, working a dead end job is treading water. I'm not saying a job has to start off paying high, but it should offer the opportunity for advancement and to be a career. Anything less isn't worth working.



4. I said 5-20 hours per month, depending on amount needed. 20 hours a month is less than 1 hour per day. If you can't work less than 1 hour per day to get food, you don't deserve food.


20 hours/month if you're getting $100 of food still isn't a good deal, even if it is less than 1 hour/day. Lets say we value minimum wage at $10/hour just to avoid arguments. Should the poor have to work for half that wage for even 1 hour/day just because they're poor?



5. Seriously? Now you're making stuff up. Public transportation is available almost everywhere.


No. It's really not. In most large cities it is, in some mid sized towns it is. In most small towns, and especially in rural areas where the poor tend to live, there is no such thing as public transportation.



6. The homeless should take advantage of the employment resource center I said would be included. Then take their food to the local homeless shelter and stay there and store their food there.


Have you ever been in one of those places? In the past 10 years I've lived in two towns, I've gone to the employment centers in both. In one the center was a building which had newspapers for people to read and look at the help wanted ad's, and a couple computers alongside a printer to type up a resume and print it out. That was it, the computers didn't even have internet enabled for an online job search. That was in the better town. In the poorer town, the one I live in now, the employment center is open for 2 hours per day, has one computer without a printer, no newspapers, and a small bulletin board where stores can post help wanted ad's if they want.

Also, in homeless shelters, anything you aren't physically holding onto will be stolen. If they even have refrigeration in them (never been in one myself, in the one in my old town, you basically got a cot in a room with no kitchen access) you're not going to be able to mark anything out as yours.
But yea, instead let's just pay people with tax dollars a salary to give people food paid for by tax dollars without discretion.
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posted on Mar, 18 2017 @ 02:31 AM
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originally posted by: NthOther
Quit mooching off of us and go home. Quit lying to everyone and get out.

The selfishness and dishonesty required to do what these people have done is staggering.

Good riddance.


What a vile, ignorant comment. Disgusting. Let's hope you and your family never end up in desperate need of help through no fault of your own. Most of these people just want a safe life for their family, and a way to earn a living.

How did you become so bitter and selfish.



posted on Mar, 18 2017 @ 03:26 AM
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a reply to: Aazadan


EBT is someone else purchasing my food. It leaves me with plenty of choice.

That make zero sense, are you the user of the EBT card?



10 hours for $800 worth of food would be a good deal. But unless I drastically misunderstood you, that's not what people would be getting. They would be getting 20 hours for something similar to what is given out now which is about $100 worth of food. If it's an amount similar to what EBT pays, it would often times be even less.

HOURS PER MONTH. Re-read before you go stupid. The benefits of food boxes would be weekly.


I don't believe you. What's more, I don't believe there are any jobs worth doing. The point of work is to better your position in life, working a dead end job is treading water. I'm not saying a job has to start off paying high, but it should offer the opportunity for advancement and to be a career. Anything less isn't worth working.

Ok, I get it, you are a slacker that wants everything handed to them. Jobs are available EVERYWHERE, and even if they start as a crap minimum wage position, you can always work your way up into management, making it a not so crap job anymore. Do you really think they hire people to fix cars that don't know how to fix cars? You get the same amount of effort in compensation as you put into what you do. Youtube exists, many people could train themselves, but instead they watch cute cat videos.


20 hours/month if you're getting $100 of food still isn't a good deal, even if it is less than 1 hour/day. Lets say we value minimum wage at $10/hour just to avoid arguments. Should the poor have to work for half that wage for even 1 hour/day just because they're poor?

I specifically outlined it differently, 20 hours per month would get you $800+ per month in food compensation. In my model, 5 hours per month would get you $100 per week worth of food. That's about $80 per hour.


No. It's really not. In most large cities it is, in some mid sized towns it is. In most small towns, and especially in rural areas where the poor tend to live, there is no such thing as public transportation.

Show me areas where public transport doesn't exist, I dare you.



Have you ever been in one of those places? In the past 10 years I've lived in two towns, I've gone to the employment centers in both. In one the center was a building which had newspapers for people to read and look at the help wanted ad's, and a couple computers alongside a printer to type up a resume and print it out. That was it, the computers didn't even have internet enabled for an online job search. That was in the better town. In the poorer town, the one I live in now, the employment center is open for 2 hours per day, has one computer without a printer, no newspapers, and a small bulletin board where stores can post help wanted ad's if they want.

Where would this area be? I only ask so I can show you how much BS you are full of.


Also, in homeless shelters, anything you aren't physically holding onto will be stolen. If they even have refrigeration in them (never been in one myself, in the one in my old town, you basically got a cot in a room with no kitchen access)

So you factually state how a homeless shelter works, yet in the same breath say you've never been to one. That defines ignorance.



posted on Mar, 18 2017 @ 05:43 AM
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a reply to: seasonal


I feel bad for people going hungry but we cant solve all of the worlds problems, the rest of the world has to do some of the solving. Maybe some of the aristocratic families in Mexico can donate land and funds for agriculture for example.


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posted on Mar, 18 2017 @ 03:17 PM
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originally posted by: Vector99
That make zero sense, are you the user of the EBT card?


Where does the money come from? Any assistance comes from other people's pockets. I may be the one making the purchase but I'm not the one buying it.



HOURS PER MONTH. Re-read before you go stupid. The benefits of food boxes would be weekly.


So tell me, what's the advantage to a food box over simply giving someone an EBT and letting them purchase whatever foods they want to eat? Some states have already added work requirements to EBT.

When these programs have been used in the past, they've more been a form of low income groceries, essentially letting local companies make a donation, and then selling it to low income people at a discount. That's a good thing, replacing SNAP with them is not.



Ok, I get it, you are a slacker that wants everything handed to them. Jobs are available EVERYWHERE, and even if they start as a crap minimum wage position, you can always work your way up into management, making it a not so crap job anymore. Do you really think they hire people to fix cars that don't know how to fix cars? You get the same amount of effort in compensation as you put into what you do. Youtube exists, many people could train themselves, but instead they watch cute cat videos.


I'm not a slacker at all, I've put 12 years of schooling, and 400 credit hours into learning something, in order to be able to work and not rely on disability for the rest of my life. My typical week is 80 hours of work. The fact that I know I can do valuable work is why I won't undervalue myself. I frequently joke that my present time is worthless, and that's because it is. However, my future time is probably going to be worth a lot. I'm not going to short my future just to meet my needs in the present.



Show me areas where public transport doesn't exist, I dare you.


Where I live now doesn't have it. There's one bus line that travels between different towns, it takes you to the courthouse in each town. From there you're on your own. In the previous town I lived in there was one bus line, between the courthouse and Walmart every 3 hours. If you needed anything else (such as to get to the bus stop in the first place) you were on your own.



Where would this area be? I only ask so I can show you how much BS you are full of.


Right in the middle of Appalachia. Unless you've lived here, you have no idea how bad the area is. There's a drug problem that would make inner cities blush, more lead in the water pipes than Flint, jails that can't function because there's not enough funding, actual no go zones for police, and a totally corrupt political climate. That's what life in some areas of America is like, we even have payday loan vendors in the grocery stores because people are so desperate for food money.



posted on Mar, 18 2017 @ 03:42 PM
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a reply to: Aazadan
I share that same problem with you. I live in the country and unless you can get transportation to one main State Road, there is no public bus service. This is not a place you want to live if you don't know someone or you don't have a vehicle. It takes 30 to 40 minutes to get to almost any town or city.

They do have a mini bus service for those that are Americans with Disabilities Act Eligible, Elderly, and the Transportation Disadvantaged. It is $3.00 a destination so, to and from is $6.00 a trip and you have to give at least a 24-hour notice.

It doesn' sound like much, but for a lot of people, the six dollars is more than they have.



posted on Mar, 19 2017 @ 11:46 PM
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originally posted by: WeAreAWAKE

originally posted by: IkNOwSTuff
I feel sympathy for these people, in this day and age no one anywhere should go hungry.
That said if these people came to the US illegally and things have gotten so bad they can no longer feed themselves or their families maybe heading back home to reasses their situation isnt such a bad idea

Not only is it illegal for someone to break into my home and stay here without my permission. It is beyond idiocy to also expect me to feed them or worse...force me to buy them food. It is insanity to then require me to get them medical attention, provide them with a clean living space, allow them to use my bathroom, kitchen and family room. But the real, totally disgusting idea is that if forced against my will to do so...is that this will encourage more individuals to attempt the same upon other American citizen's families.

Where are our leaders? Well...the right and Trump understand this insanity and the pain, harm and financial damage this causes Americans. The left on the other hand, thinks this is just fine and that YOU SHOULD BE REQUIRED to do so. You should take food from your child's mouth and give it to an intruder. The left also, while understanding they are breaking the law, wish to force American citizens to break the law by HARBORING A CRIMINAL. Yes...if you are here illegally you are a criminal.

When a Congressman, member of the Senate, President or employee of the government not only breaks a law, but encourages other to break the law or even worse (looking at you California) force others to break the law...THESE INDIVIDUALS SHOULD BE JAILED! They should also be impeached, fired and banned from government employment.

If you disagree with our laws...work to change them. In the meantime, just as we should prosecute the criminals coming over the border, we MUST PROSECUTE those in power for CRIMINAL CONSPIRACY.

There is no place in our government for CRIMINALS!


While I can entirely sympathize with your argument here I need to point out that is not as black and white as you have presented it to be.

Perhaps many of the voters on the "right", whatever the hell that is these days, do agree. The mega corps that the Republican elected officials tend to constantly provide corporate welfare for a different story. What is also more complicated is the economics involved. Illegal workers provide for vastly higher profit margins for these mega corps and/or lower prices for the American consumer on various products such as agricultural goods.

Having lived in a few bad neighborhoods during my adult life I can attest to the fact that there are indeed families of professional welfare scammers. I've met some and it is, in some cases, very much generational. I remember talking to one guy that somehow was able to claim seven Non existent children to receive a stupidly large amount of both SNAP and cash benefits. I've had neighbors that literally "took in" foster children for the government check. These same children, some as young as three, could be seen riding around in just a diaper on a tricycle at 3am and when the police were called, and they were, they would mostly not even bother to show up and if they did nothing ever happened.

Ironically most of these folks did not speak English. For the record I should mention that I have no problem with immigrants. My wife is an immigrant. She came here as a child on a visa, was granted a green card and, ironically, somewhat against her will became an American citizen. Plenty of people do it and quite frankly it isn't all that hard.

I too am extremely frustrated with the massive amount of abuse that is occurring. It is not some crazy liberal conspiracy though. It's more likely a NWO type thing with support from both parties. The Republican and Democratic parties have essentially the same goals at the end of the day. Do they cater to ideologically different voters? Sure. The fact remains that they're both owned entirely by the special interests and bankers. Whenever I hear someone going off about Hillary, Benghazi and the CIA for instance, I'm not sure if I should cry or laugh. Or maybe both.

The illegal immigration issue is not new and has been planned out for quite some time by TPTB. Forgive me for being conspiratorial, this is ATS after all. The solution will not be as simple as a wall and deportations. Regardless of what the orange one proclaims.

Not for nothing it Ronnie Contra that granted amnesty to millions of illegals and he's held up as a hero of the right!



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