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Anti-Trump does not mean liberal.

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posted on Mar, 16 2017 @ 08:49 AM
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originally posted by: Arnie123
*Claps* bravo, you'll chastise use, namely the right by starting your post off with general left terms. I didn't see any vindication or examples of right terms. I didn't see my favorite one up there, "deplorables", now why is that? I can tell you why, you lean left.

Influences are funny because you don't know that you're doing it till somebody takes a critical approach to your post.

A neutral position would have considered all of these things, don't be so foolishly naive thinking your advocating some worthy clause, you're wallowing in mud as we speak. Speaking up, why the mudpit? unless you anticipated your errors?

No Star No Flag.


Thanks for your comments. Firstly, no star, no flag? Oh no
! I didn't post this for irrelevant internet points - I don't even understand how they work.

Secondly, I lean left on some issues yes. On others, I lean right. You can try to compartmentalise me into your in-group/out-group teams all you like, but it's not that simple. Give me an issue, and I'll tell you my stance on it. I believe overall I am generally a little more left of centre, but again it depends what we're talking about. For the record, I treat hardcore SJWs with just as much contempt as the hardcore 'alt right' for want of a better term.

I posted it in the mud pit because it's a fairly trivial matter and doesn't belong with the more serious discussions, ultimately.

As for your point about me not calling out the labels used against the right - it's a far, far less common problem. I made a thread regarding a specific topic, not multiple topics. I've never once called Trump supporters deplorables, and Hillary really messed up there giving you all a badge to wear; poor move on her part.

And to clarify before anyone else drops their rattle - when I say trump's cultists, I'm not referring to all trump fans. I'm referring to the specific subsect on these boards who cannot concede even one minor point which reflects poorly on Trump. The reality of it is that there's no such thing as a perfect leader. They should be held to account. In the UK we rip ours to shreds when they screw up, and that's how it should be. It's not traitorous or anti-patriotic - it's the exact opposite. True patriots hold their leaders to account for the good of the nation; they question their decisions and dig deep into what the implications are. Desperately and blindly defending every move while waving a MAGA flag is not helping anyone.

Again thank you for your points, but they're wide of the mark.
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posted on Mar, 16 2017 @ 08:55 AM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: fencesitter85

Don't know what to say.

I vote for Trump so I'm deplorable.



No, you're just whoring for stars



posted on Mar, 16 2017 @ 09:05 AM
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a reply to: fencesitter85

Liberal does not mean liberal nowadays.



posted on Mar, 16 2017 @ 09:20 AM
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originally posted by: ErrorErrorError

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: fencesitter85

Don't know what to say.

I vote for Trump so I'm deplorable.



No, you're just whoring for stars


See!

Deplorable!



posted on Mar, 16 2017 @ 09:56 AM
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originally posted by: TheTory
a reply to: fencesitter85

Liberal does not mean liberal nowadays.


Yeah this is another point of contention for me. The label of 'liberal' to anyone left of centre, where intended to label them as some crazy extreme lunatic, is no different to thinking of all conservatives as KKK. Often on these boards people say 'liberal' but they clearly mean the purple haired SJWs screaming about binary white privilege while lying in the road blocking everyone's commute. That is not liberal. I guess alt-left would be a good name for it, on the basis of alt-right being applied to the more hardcore republican cultists.

Perhaps we need some new labels on the political compass.

- Centrists
- Liberals
- Conservatives
- Alt-left (SJWs and communists)
- Alt-right (bigots and cultists)

That way we don't lump all liberals in with the extreme left crazies, and we don't think of all conservatives as slack-jawed hicks who want to bring back lynching for mixed race couples.

People are too quick to label. Don't get me wrong - a cursory inspection of my post history will show I've been drawn into these kinds of troll-fests myself more than once (and had bans for it accordingly). For that, I'm guilty of hypocrisy; sometimes it's the 'if you can't beat 'em' philosophy, but it's firmly unseated me from my high-horse in that respect.

But ultimately, we need to start identifying the difference between simply having opposing opinions, and the extremists who scream the loudest on each side. We're getting more divided by the day, and it's blatant on literally every channel of public access on the Internet, and in the media etc. It's disappointing. I miss the Internet when it was just nerds and the socially awkward.
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posted on Mar, 16 2017 @ 10:17 AM
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You are allowed to not like trump, that is not a liberal only practice. It is acceptable to not like someone. But when you twist evidence to cause chaos because you feel the wrong person won the election, disregarding the rights of many states, then you are a liberal. Popular vote means nothing in our political system, the number of states where a candidate wins determines who wins the election.

I have been more of a liberal and also tended to vote more Democrat in the past, but now I am not liking liberals anymore and am not going to vote Democrat anymore unless they get rid of the radical liberal mindset which is antipatriotic. We should support the office of the president and if we have issues, we should contact our congressmen, no matter what party represents you. They vote for the people in their local area. Now if you think you have more rights than others, or a special interest group has more rights than individuals, that makes you a liberal. We all have equal rights as long as we are citizens. We also have rights based on international laws. But special interest groups do not have special priviledges, that is a far right and far left falacy. This is also not a communist country.


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posted on Mar, 16 2017 @ 02:42 PM
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a reply to: Metallicus

wow, great analogy...


think more!



posted on Mar, 16 2017 @ 02:46 PM
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originally posted by: Metallicus
[SNIP]



Just wow.....

Typical American binary brained bull#.
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posted on Mar, 16 2017 @ 04:30 PM
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a reply to: fencesitter85

In my ultra liberal university (Where Black Lives Matter and other Regressive Leftist thrive), I had a professor who is although not a Trump supporter and actually hated him (Called Trump a narcissistic man baby) and also not a conspiracy theorist (Believes in climate change) acknowledge that the Liberal Coastal Elite is dangerous and that they have control of Academia.

In addition, he agrees that the New York Times is bias toward the left, that political correctness is a big issue, and that the Liberal Elites seemed to have a strong negative bias toward working class whites by calling them nascar, junk food loving rednecks.

However, he kept his mouth shut and only told me and another person this because he will lose his job if he openly expressed his views.
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posted on Mar, 16 2017 @ 06:10 PM
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There's nothing wrong with shaking up our political establishment. I totally get why people wanted someone who wasn't a political insider. I said a long time ago I wanted to see someone in office who wasn't a career politician. However, I don't want someone in office that is going to lie just as much or even more than our current career politicians! Trump and only Trump has caused his own backlash and loss of credibility!

I thought after his speech to congress he finally realized how to increase his credibility. In fact polls showed, people were ready to give him a second chance, and this came from his fake news sources!! It didn't last long, because he clearly went back to creating attention to himself by accusing a president of wire tapping without having any evidence to the fact. Someone with any kind of intelligence would not accuse someone before laying their evidence on the table. Anyone with any common sense would have realized after being attacked the first couple of times for outrageous tweets about non-issues, they would stop engaging in such negative attention!

Trump has shown himself to be the "little boy who cried wolf." He's clouded his own agenda with all his lies and outrageous attacks. Unfortunately, in some respects, "some" of his stance on issues have merit.



posted on Mar, 16 2017 @ 08:19 PM
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I'm really having a hard time supporting your position OP, when you use name calling in your call out to stop name calling. Seems a little counter intuitve to me...



posted on Mar, 17 2017 @ 01:10 AM
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The OP is straight on in that Anti-Trump does not mean Liberal. In fact many of us non Trump supporters may only qualify as Liberal with Classical Liberal(not around anymore). We're independents, some Libertarian leaning, just like many of you are or were until Trump came along, some went GOP for trump and some who joined were GOP. Trump is a Populist RINO that is supposedly anti establishment- the leaning same commonality that many shared here when they were for Ron Paul. In fact many of you Trump supporters have more in common with us anti-Trump Independents than traditional "Good ol boy GOP" who see you as liberals and would much rather have Jeb Bush or even Ted Cruz in office rather than Trump.
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posted on Mar, 17 2017 @ 04:15 AM
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originally posted by: Lab4Us
I'm really having a hard time supporting your position OP, when you use name calling in your call out to stop name calling. Seems a little counter intuitve to me...


A valid point, but I use cultists only to refer to the aggressively defensive element on ATS who call out/insult/name-call anyone who dares to question anything Trump has done.

My OP is more aimed at spamming lame clichés at literally everyone who doesn't support trump. It's become like a cult, so rather than blind name-calling, it's my view on the matter. There are plenty of trump-fans who aren't part of the cult, and who don't set out to just attack everyone as libtards and snowflakes.



posted on Mar, 17 2017 @ 04:25 AM
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a reply to: fencesitter85

Good thread.
Starred and flagged.



posted on Mar, 18 2017 @ 06:18 PM
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a reply to: fencesitter85

put it in your signature then



posted on Mar, 18 2017 @ 06:22 PM
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a reply to: fencesitter85

I've been tempted to put "Libertarian, not liberal, ya dumbf#" in my signature, but I doubt it would be acknowledged. The tunnel vision is unreal, D or R only, nothing else exists.

Maybe I should just go with "There's more colors in the political rainbow than just red & blue, idiot" instead?
edit on 3/18/2017 by Nyiah because: Yay, botched the tags...



posted on Mar, 19 2017 @ 12:54 AM
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originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed
When I use the liberal label on someone it is always because that person is supporting one of the usual liberal causes, agendas, or they are parroting the liberal media's propaganda messages. I am very glad Trump is there and causing the shakeup because that is only thing that can lead to reform in government since mutual understanding seems to be almost out the window between parties. The democrat party is being called out as completely phony and they are indeed that.

I do not support every single thing Trump is doing, but also should say that what he is doing is not always what is being reported that he is doing. So far about 85% of what he is doing is being represented as different or deceptive to what he is actually doing and the left and others are falling for that and attacking him and then being lumped in as liberals.

It is a circus.


Ive heard from some solid sources that its more like 81% to 82%ish. Where are you getting this other 3% to reach the 85% mark?!? This is a much bigger deception problem than I was aware of!

If we start getting close to the 90% range...well, I can tell u one thing....it won't be long before ol' 91% comes along and no one will know what to do then because there is absolutely ZERO data on the unprecedented level of 92% trump media misrepresentation.

So, just so I don't have to have a false alarm freak out here....do you feel pretty solid about that 85% bomb you just dropped on us, or should I trust my 3%(ish) lower sources. The fact that your name is nocorruptionallowed is making me feel like your sources are more official...

Toodles


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posted on Mar, 19 2017 @ 01:48 AM
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a reply to: Argus100

It's much easier to just remember that the media is their own mouthpiece of anti-Trump twisted news. I have yet to even see one news article that isn't tainted with unsubstantiated claims about how unsubstantiated Trump's accusations are.


And based on that, they send a very clear message that nothing they say should be construed as fully valid.



posted on Mar, 19 2017 @ 06:11 AM
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originally posted by: fencesitter85
Just a quick one, as I need to put this to bed. I've lost count of the amount of times I've seen on here, and on social media, where Trump's cultists say "LOL TYPICAL LIBERAL" (along with some cringeworthy overused 4chan meme) to anyone making a comment not supportive of Trump.

So let's clarify this for you.

I am not pro Trump.

I am also not a Liberal.

I have some liberal opinions, and some conservative opinions. There are simply too many issues at stake to land firmly on either side of the fence for me (hence the name). Many others are in the same boat.

So stop being lazy. Just because someone questions the POTUS (as anyone with any sense would do; you should always question leadership and hold them accountable, regardless of country/political leaning) it does not make them a liberal, a libtard, a leftard, a shill, pro-Hillary, pro-Obama, a socialist, a communist, an SJW, a cuck, triggered, a snowflake, a traitor, unpatriotic, a globalist, pro-Soros, or any of your other clichés. It's lazy. Stop being lazy.

Ok, let's get back to the politics.

/FS85


I for one will admit to being guilty of this in the past and will pay closer attention in the future. You are correct, but in the "heat of battle" people get caught up. I'll leave it at that.

PS: I am a proud, devote Trump supporter. We will see if that changes over time or not. Actions matter, not words. So far, so good!
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