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He crossed the line when he told other countries the NSA's foreign spying policies, activities, and tactics.
originally posted by: Miracula2
originally posted by: TheBadCabbieThis is the prime reason I can't fault Snowden for his actions
If he had evidence they were abusing American citizens by the misuse of the information collected than yeah he was a hero.
originally posted by: swimmer15
a reply to: Salander
If you do some research you will find out that even his lawyer believes Beijing was involved. And I agree they cant check everyone but he was on their soil and released intel via HongKong journalists/media. He even stated publicly that he had a lot more but wouldn't release until he could insure what was there (that's his words not mine). Beijing would have no doubt been interested in what information he had, and it would have created a great deal of problems for HongKong had they not involved the Chinese government, especially since the info he released publicly involved US spying on China.
Also how could the Russian and Chinese governments decrypt information if they supposedly don't have it?
If the information he released to journalists was all there was, what is there to decrypt?
China and Russia crack Snowden Files
I think it's also important to point out that the Snowden caused chilling of US relations with these countries has also probably hampered the intelligence sharing that was going on between the US and these nations. A lot of that intelligence sharing was undoubtedly foreign spying on US citizens, which would then be passed along to our intelligence agencies.
The other irony is now we know Google et al pipe all our metadata to NSA et al, it's become accepted.
originally posted by: Kandinsky
a reply to: TheBadCabbie
I don't know if he's a hero, but what he intended was heroic. What he achieved has been underwhelming although it's dependent on the angle we look at it. I guess we can assert his actions confirmed all our fears that the surveillance apparatus has little or no oversight. They shone a light on the exploitation of consumers via most of the major media-related corporations.
Ironically, it appears to me that the exposure has generated more complicity on our parts and greater overreach by the same corps. The Intel guys have only had to be smarter and hide behind doors behind doors behind...
If you read more widely, there's been no actual damage to relationships between national Intel depts. For example, Merkel baulked at the NSA listening in to her Government and publicly vented her displeasure. However it was also being reported that German Intel were against any legal/political penalties and sought greater ties with US Intel. They resisted court actions. So it seems like a little political angst was voiced, but was ultimately powerless to seek, or cause, change in the surveillance operations of domestic or foreign outfits.
In that context, Snowden/Greenwald hoped to instigate transparency and changes in surveillance programs whereas they became more embedded. It turned out there was no fight in any political parties. The other irony is now we know Google et al pipe all our metadata to NSA et al, it's become accepted. No need for secrecy anymore; it's out there and there's no fight in the consumer base.