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originally posted by: swimmer15
I think I could accept him as a hero had he took his information pretty much anywhere but ChIna or Russia. As a military vet anyone who served with me would tell you, I have stood up plenty of times to challenge authority without any fear whatsoever of the consequences for what I felt was right.. I commend anyone in the service who does, I like to think of myself as person of integrity and if a man isn't willing to stand for what he believes he doesn't really stand for anything. If one serves in any form of the government there loyalty is to the constitution and the American people, not one man. If not they have no business there or taking the oath. Running straight to Russia and China was traitorist, and could have put the entire country at risk... heard it over and over throughout my life, not what you did it's how you did it... how I see Snowdens actions.
originally posted by: RP2SticksOfDynamite
Snowden has my respect! Huge balls the size of a tennis ball!
originally posted by: Neith
a reply to: RP2SticksOfDynamite
I think his balls are bigger than tennis balls.
Bowling balls would describe Snowdens balls more accurately.
originally posted by: swimmer15
a reply to: TheBadCabbie
Not sure if you know but Hong Kong is still China. They operate independent but are under Beijing leadership. One country 2 systems. The Snowden release from Hong Kong was a decision from Beijing. My assumption has been that he either had some crazy leverage or he shared stuff with them first. Likely what was given to the public was but a fraction of the info he actually had. Beijing maintains power over Hong Kong in military and foreign affairs, Snowden would not have been released without Beijing having the final say.
Similarly, Hong Kong's legal system is completely distinct from Beijing. It remains based on British common law and is considered free and impartial. The Chinese authorities have no right to arrest people in Hong Kong. Like other countries, they must apply for an international arrest warrant.
Immigration and passport control is also separate from China. Visitors to Hong Kong, who usually receive visa free access, will have to apply for a visa to visit China. There is a full international border between Hong Kong and China. Chinese nationals also require permits to visit Hong Kong. Hong Kongers have their own separate passports, the HKSAR passport.
Under the special condition of Hong Kong's high-degree autonomy, the territory is able to maintain an independent customs area and separate immigration policy from those of PR China. This separate exercise of customs and immigration, subject to conditional reviews, is recognised by foreign nations through their legislature, such as the United States-Hong Kong Policy Act. Hong Kong maintains an international border with PR China across 5 border control stations by land, 3 entry and exit points by sea and the International Airport.
Hong Kong is rightfully proud of the near-universal respect of the rule of law. For many, it is what sets Hong Kong apart from the mainland and its reputation for honesty is one of the reasons that so many multinationals have based their regional headquarters in the city.
The police generally have the trust of the population -- although how this trust will be affected by the events of the past few days remains to be seen.
It wasn't always thus; until the creation of the Independent Commission Against Corruption (ICAC), a nongovernmental watchdog in the 1960s, graft was as much of a problem here as it is in China.
Hong Kong retains a legal system which closely mirrors the British one, another holdover from the colonial era, but one which prizes transparency and due process and is largely welcomed by the populace.
He gave them info on spies in the field, putting men and women who stand next to him in service in danger.
In cases of the military and government agencies when people follow orders where the individuals actions are inhumane or against the UCMJ or military core values, that individual should be punished but that's for our courts to decide, and that its my duty to ensure I stop it and report it, if direct leadership ignores you go above all there heads or go to the media.. but you don't turn your back on the man serving next to you in the field and hand them over to the enemy or leave them for dead because you as an individual "think". In the ranks, we don't do that to even traitors, we bring them back and hope the system works as it should. If it doesn't we're not expected to go taking action, we work to fix the system. That's how it's supposed to work.