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Baby Jesus is a Spy and Hidden Hand Solved (almost)

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posted on Mar, 15 2017 @ 07:00 PM
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a reply to: tikbalang

Haha, you're so right Alex Jones is definitely not the best source! He seems way to close to Israel. And while he offers some truth he is a gatekeeper to true wisdom imho.

However, he was indeed right that the additives in the plastics are causing the frogs to turn gay and change gender. I really do think that there is a sinister conspiracy to encourage transgenderism.

I have nothing but respect for people who make this difficult choice and believe their motives to be absolutely valid. I just think there is a sinister objective at play. I feel bad that someone would be so unhappy in their body that they would have to make such drastic changes to it. But I support those who feel they must and don't judge.

And I want to apologize for overreacting to your first statement, I've been reading so much about satanic, paedophiles that I get a little touchy at even suggestion that some people might find it permissible because a little girl had reached puberty. I work with kids and they are not mature enough to make these kinds of decisions.

Adults who have sex with children are predators, there are no redeeming factors. If they want to mentor a child --- be their friend, don't f-k them.

I really do believe there has to be some universal laws --- and protecting our children has to be one of them.
edit on 15-3-2017 by OwenandNoelle because: to emphasise that I would never mean to criticise anyone who is gay or transgender




posted on Mar, 15 2017 @ 07:09 PM
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a reply to: OwenandNoelle

Someone once told me;" Animals f* anything that moves, humans dont, and bestiality is illegal "

You can quote that if you want



posted on Mar, 15 2017 @ 07:12 PM
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a reply to: chr0naut

Always
You're my favourite!


Tell me, what are your thoughts on the similarities between Christianity and earlier Pagan religions?



posted on Mar, 15 2017 @ 08:21 PM
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a reply to: OwenandNoelle

Aw, where did he go?




posted on Mar, 15 2017 @ 08:34 PM
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a reply to: FlukeSkywalker

Alright man, you know I'm in a zen like state so forgive me if I come across as cheesy:

But I'm just going to say it


I 100% feel this same way.

And you've helped me, because I was once fortunate enough to gain a glimpse at just how magnificent our greater/actual reality is and always forget that this is the true reality that is awaiting us when we lose our ego. My ego is so stubborn, I am always forgetting this truth.

But also like you said, there has to be a reason why we're here and it's very possible that we all chose to participate in this experiment of limitations. So perhaps, occasionally we have to play our parts.

Listen, if you haven't already, I strongly recommend that you read Dolores Cannon's series the Convoluted Universe. At this point, it might be best to start at her very last book, because I can tell you are much further along them me, but if you are an avid reader, I recommend the entire Convoluted Series.
(I shouldn't say this, but there might just be a torrent or 2 online or at least there once was and also if you go to google books and then preview --- sometimes the books are available for free read that way. I'm very very cheap.


Also, for a laugh, check out the illuminati card game --- it's absolutely absurd but I can't explain our reality any other way.
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posted on Mar, 15 2017 @ 08:43 PM
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a reply to: OwenandNoelle

I owned the cards all the way back in 2009. I will not be checking out what you recommended. No offense, but I don't buy into this reality anymore and I don't read anything new. Good luck in your journey, even if it's possible you're not a real person.



posted on Mar, 15 2017 @ 08:45 PM
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a reply to: FlukeSkywalker

Fair enough, I completely misunderstood where you were coming from. I'm sorry.

But listen do you think anyone is a real person?

Is it just you that is a real person and do you think I am an aspect of you?

Because I feel like a real person. I have a belly button.

You've really stumped there me buddy.

----

But please oh please tell me that you don't think we're all part of a computer program or living in a simulation. You don't want me to start to rant.

But oh dear God, please stop me, it's happening:

Isn't it odd that society's thoughts on unseen, hidden or supernatural forces seem to so closely match our level of technology?

In the past such visitors were called Angels or Demons, Jinn or Fairies.

These days we know better --- we know they were the ancient aliens right?

In the past they used to called UFOs --- flying ships.

But now we know they were advanced anti gravity aircrafts right?

Do you really think the Creator of all that is uses Microsoft?

Or joking aside a quantum computer?

Yes of course our reality is malleable. Yes of course our thoughts matter.

Often when we dream, do advanced meditation, trip balls or when we die, we are shifting or appreciating the potential to shift into another reality.

But what is happening here right now, is as real as anything can be.
edit on 15-3-2017 by OwenandNoelle because: I find the computer simulation theory or holographic theory to be way too mechanical, materialistic and just plain cold. They're truly saying the same thing zen Buddhists say but have replaced God with a machine. This is consistent with their Luciferian agenda. They're still trying to hide God and the true beauty of this world from everyone. We don't need to augment the human brain with technology, we need to learn how to appreciate the beauty which already exists around us.
edit on 15-3-2017 by OwenandNoelle because: 😜
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posted on Mar, 15 2017 @ 09:39 PM
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originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Matrixsurvivor

As an "ex-christian, and reading all of your replies... it's no wonder people look outside the Bible for answers. Snarky just makes you look like an #j.


I was debating points raised in previous posts, and not so much from a Christian standpoint, but from a rationalist one.

Are you suggesting that Christians should not debate?

Do you have any response to the points raised at all?




Oh, I have lots of them... (points).
Since I am now out of the "religious box", and what Christians don't realize (such as yourself), is that you do not exemplify the "Christ" you say you follow one bit. You should pay more attention to the character of Jesus. You already know my aversion to Paul.
Unfortunately, that's who you sound like. Jesus isn't a snarky debater, bro.
Your ego is seriously in the way.... just like every other Pauline Christian on here.



posted on Mar, 15 2017 @ 09:52 PM
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a reply to: chr0naut

The focus is criminal activity that the majority of human society is not cool or down with; calling it evil? Tomato tomato they don't grow in snow.



posted on Mar, 15 2017 @ 10:41 PM
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originally posted by: OwenandNoelle
a reply to: chr0naut

Always
You're my favourite!

Tell me, what are your thoughts on the similarities between Christianity and earlier Pagan religions?


I think that the oft repeated saying that Christian ceremonies arose from subverted pagan festivals while that may have happened, is questionable.

If you look at Sol Invictus and Roman Mithraist cults, they were both post Christian, so the influences are most likely to have run opposite and the pagan practices are more likely to have copied Christianity.

This is exemplified in the syncretism of earlier pagan attributes into Gnostic beliefs, of which there are no pre-Christian examples at all, despite continued wild theorization that there may have been.

Definitely, many of the issues that Christianity addresses, existed prior to Christ and had possible solutions before Christianity. We have been exactly as human as we are now, for a very long time.

Islam had some of its roots in Christianity and Judaism, but isn't just an amalgam of them. Christianity had some of its roots in Judaism, Greek myth and Greek philosophy, but isn't just an amalgam of them. Their separateness and individual specifics marks them as unique starts in human philosophy.

It is interesting that most Western pagan faiths are both pantheistic and polytheistic as compared to the absolute monotheism of Islam, Christianity, Judaism and to a lesser extent Zoroastrianism.

I personally cannot see a gradual path from pantheistic polytheism to monotheism, as some have suggested. The ideas are polar opposites and in contention with each other. The pantheist/polytheist world-view has to be completely demolished to accept monotheism and vice versa. For instance, the magical idea that you can 'game' one deity against another to achieve your aims is not possible under a monotheist paradigm. The idea that a monotheist God is controllable and restrained by the environment and situation in which they reside, is also not tenable, the 'abode of the gods' is a constant issue and a conceptual weak point in regard to pantheistic/polytheistic gods. Consider that this 'abode of the gods' must precede the existence of some, if not all of the gods. How then, did it come to be? Did a god create it and then become subservient to it?

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posted on Mar, 15 2017 @ 11:56 PM
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originally posted by: Matrixsurvivor

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Matrixsurvivor

As an "ex-christian, and reading all of your replies... it's no wonder people look outside the Bible for answers. Snarky just makes you look like an #j.


I was debating points raised in previous posts, and not so much from a Christian standpoint, but from a rationalist one.

Are you suggesting that Christians should not debate?

Do you have any response to the points raised at all?




Oh, I have lots of them... (points).
Since I am now out of the "religious box", and what Christians don't realize (such as yourself), is that you do not exemplify the "Christ" you say you follow one bit. You should pay more attention to the character of Jesus. You already know my aversion to Paul.
Unfortunately, that's who you sound like. Jesus isn't a snarky debater, bro.
Your ego is seriously in the way.... just like every other Pauline Christian on here.



Let's see... the character of Jesus...

- The guy who drove money changers out of the temple, turning over their tables, tossing their money aside and whipping them with a rope. Matthew 21:12–17, Mark 11:15–19, and Luke 19:45–48.

- The guy who said some pretty blunt things about the religious rulers of the time. Matthew 23.

- The guy they killed because they feared his radical influence. Luke 23: 2 and Luke 23:5.

- The guy who cursed a tree and killed it just because it displeased him (and also to demonstrate His power). Mark 11:12-14 and Mark 11:20-25.

- The guy whose robes will be stained red with the blood of his defeated enemies. Revelation 19:13.

Sounds like I actually am emulating Christ, the one described in the Bible, just not a re-imagined, politically correct, false one.

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posted on Mar, 15 2017 @ 11:59 PM
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a reply to: BigBrotherDarkness

Very well put, I 100% agree with everything you said. All these labels are just to keep us separated.

As hard as it is for some people to imagine, all we have to do to transform this world, or if I may add in a little crazy --- all we have to do to turn our "collective" reality into Heaven on Earth is to treat other people's needs as we do our own.

And the first step is to be helpful. Hold the door open for someone. Randomly buy someone a coffee at a drive thru, call your mother --- on an individual level all of these little acts will add joy to your life and believe it or not, will have a butterfly effect on the rest of our collective consciousness.

The answer is so incredibly simple, it's absurd, but then so is our entire reality. Whoever would have thought the world was flat and that our politicians eat babies?

Also random musings for the night --- channelling a bit of Alan Watts lol (J/K don't worry FlukeSkywalker I'm not a wizard)

Happiness isn't a goal that can be reached. It's a choice and/or the inevitable consequence of doing something you love. And if you don't know what to do --- just be helpful whenever you can.

And get ready to help end the madness that is in control of our world when it's time. Soon.

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posted on Mar, 16 2017 @ 12:02 AM
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originally posted by: OwenandNoelle
a reply to: FlukeSkywalker
But what is happening here right now, is as real as anything can be.
edit on 15-3-2017 by OwenandNoelle because: I find the computer simulation theory or holographic theory to be way too mechanical, materialistic and just plain cold. They're truly saying the same thing zen Buddhists say but have replaced God with a machine. This is consistent with their Luciferian agenda. They're still trying to hide God and the true beauty of this world from everyone. We don't need to augment the human brain with technology, we need to learn how to appreciate the beauty which already exists around us.

And someone who was trying to convince people that reality is truly real (even though it truly isn't, once you begin to realize it's simply based ONLY on belief) would end their post with exactly what you just said.

Is reality magic? Maybe. Is reality computer code? Maybe. Is reality frequency/vibration? Maybe. BUT the key is...we are being limited in some way. We are being fooled into believing we need to conserve, that energy is scarce, etc. It's a lie. These kind of limitations are only created by a feminine force who wants a male force to prove they care about the supposed consequences of their actions. It's a trick. A spell.


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posted on Mar, 16 2017 @ 12:02 AM
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a reply to: chr0naut






I was debating points raised in previous posts, and not so much from a Christian standpoint, but from a rationalist one. Are you suggesting that Christians should not debate?


To what end? Jesus spoke from a place of deep understanding. His understanding came from above. He wasn't "God in the flesh". He was indwelt by the HS who spoke on behalf of the Most High God.
What you've stated isn't "rationale". What the original OP spoke is...and came from going very deep into the charade that this world is. I too, see the charade.
What "Christians" such as yourself, do not understand is, this world makes absolutely no frigging sense. It's why there are posters on here (such as the OP, Bigbrotherdarkness, and others) who can actually stand OUTSIDE the box of religion and state what they do (stoned or not). I see it, too.
It may seem easy to you, to do your "rationalization" to those who actually question the insanity of this planet, but once one steps outside of the indoctrination (and that would include all religions...including Christianity), you see what they are saying.
Honestly, I get where you are coming from. You are an excellent "debater". However, in doing so, you lose the simplicity that was in Jesus.
By the way, where do you get the right from God to even debate? Jesus never debated. He would say something no one had a response to, mainly directed towards the religious rulers. He never debated them, though. He didn't need to. He also never treated those who were questioning or of a different mind set, as "less than". Nor, did He debate them.
So you see...that was my whole point. Who are you modeling yourself after? Jesus or Paul?



posted on Mar, 16 2017 @ 12:44 AM
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a reply to: chr0naut

Tell me ch0naut, how do you want to feel?

Do you want to feel happy or do you want to suffer?

Do you think children should be protected or just thrown to the wolves?

What kind of God do you want to worship and what kind of God do you think would truly would have your back?

One that loves humanity or an intolerant, cruel God who would damn a good man or women to eternal damnation because they happened to worship the EXACT same God under a different name?

Why you would choose to dedicate yourself to evil and intolerance. I don't understand.

Unless you're aware that to the satanists anyway, Jesus represents Lucifer. In which case, must I remind you, that Lucifer hates all of us, even puny old human you!

Btw, do you think the same secret societies that have manipulated our government, banking systems and mass media, wouldn't also manipulate our religion? If not, could you please explain why?

The Pope's brother is currently under investigation for molesting over 300+ children.

But I guess it's a stretch to think these same people wouldn't lie to you about religion, science, space or you know, the very nature of our reality.

The secret btw is sound --- it came before light. Manipulation of sound frequencies, vibrations call it what you will, can change the very fabric of our reality and is also the source of light.



Thank you and Goodnight!


edit on 16-3-2017 by OwenandNoelle because: do you guys really not see that Elon Musk is part of the elite? i wouldn't trust anything that asshat tries to sell you. they manipulate us with little pieces of truth mixed with massive deception.



posted on Mar, 16 2017 @ 12:54 AM
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a reply to: Matrixsurvivor

You are a wise man bro --- this thread is dedicated to you!



posted on Mar, 16 2017 @ 01:06 AM
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originally posted by: Matrixsurvivor
a reply to: chr0naut






I was debating points raised in previous posts, and not so much from a Christian standpoint, but from a rationalist one. Are you suggesting that Christians should not debate?


To what end? Jesus spoke from a place of deep understanding. His understanding came from above. He wasn't "God in the flesh". He was indwelt by the HS who spoke on behalf of the Most High God.
What you've stated isn't "rationale". What the original OP spoke is...and came from going very deep into the charade that this world is. I too, see the charade.
What "Christians" such as yourself, do not understand is, this world makes absolutely no frigging sense. It's why there are posters on here (such as the OP, Bigbrotherdarkness, and others) who can actually stand OUTSIDE the box of religion and state what they do (stoned or not). I see it, too.
It may seem easy to you, to do your "rationalization" to those who actually question the insanity of this planet, but once one steps outside of the indoctrination (and that would include all religions...including Christianity), you see what they are saying.
Honestly, I get where you are coming from. You are an excellent "debater". However, in doing so, you lose the simplicity that was in Jesus.
By the way, where do you get the right from God to even debate? Jesus never debated. He would say something no one had a response to, mainly directed towards the religious rulers. He never debated them, though. He didn't need to. He also never treated those who were questioning or of a different mind set, as "less than". Nor, did He debate them.
So you see...that was my whole point. Who are you modeling yourself after? Jesus or Paul?


Luke 2: 41-52.

Matthew 21:23-27.

Matthew :19:3-9.

Matthew 22:15-45.

When Jesus answered others, as exemplified in the quotations above (there are many more examples in the gospels), His answers usually conformed to formal "Socratic debate".

"Socratic method, also known as maieutics, method of elenchus, elenctic method, or Socratic debate, is a form of cooperative argumentative dialogue between individuals, based on asking and answering questions to stimulate critical thinking and to draw out ideas and underlying presumptions" - Wikipedia.

I still insist that I am emulating the Biblical Jesus.



posted on Mar, 16 2017 @ 02:23 AM
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Well, like labels many people are given a purpose and expected to accept it... who the hell wants that? There's no freedom in such a thing, that's someone trying to force their wants and desires onto someone or live through them.

We kinda show up here with natural talents and abilities that should be encouraged and fostered so that the individual of who they are develops and grows as it naturally would, instead it's lemme limit your potiential and trim out all I don't like about you like someone is a Bonsai tree.

Even though trees do get labels and we can say all of these are oaks or maples... ever single one of them is unique and grows differently... that's according to their natural nature; we however desire to mold and force such complex and unique indivduals into molds of limitation... this has gone on for thousands of years is it any wonder we have been crawling forward at a snails pace? At each others throats over subjects of ideological not here right now occuring nonsense?

What is happening right then right there in the moment in which it is occuring is what needs attention... like driving down the road and the passenger just kinda starts trying to drive the vehicle... like what the hell are you trying to do kill us? Thats what ideologies do, and well their purpose was to be a passenger someone helpful not I'm just gonna take over control like it or not.



posted on Mar, 16 2017 @ 03:22 AM
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originally posted by: OwenandNoelle
a reply to: chr0naut

Tell me ch0naut, how do you want to feel?

Do you want to feel happy or do you want to suffer?


I'd prefer to maintain my current happiness.


Do you think children should be protected or just thrown to the wolves?


They should be protected.


What kind of God do you want to worship and what kind of God do you think would truly would have your back?

One that loves humanity or an intolerant, cruel God who would damn a good man or women to eternal damnation because they happened to worship the EXACT same God under a different name?


I'm pretty sure that I can't make God do anything or be anything and attempting to do so would be fairly futile. Fortunately, the God I worship, as revealed in the Bible, seems to give everyone whole strings of second, third, fourth and so on, chances.

An omnipotent God has the power to do exactly what they want, unbounded by anything. For that God to show restraint in the face of absolute power and our choosing shows that God must be caring, tolerant and compassionate towards us.


Why you would choose to dedicate yourself to evil and intolerance. I don't understand.


God is not evil or intolerant. The fact that someone can suggest that and not be struck down where they stand, demonstrates that.




Unless you're aware that to the satanists anyway, Jesus represents Lucifer. In which case, must I remind you, that Lucifer hates all of us, even puny old human you!

Btw, do you think the same secret societies that have manipulated our government, banking systems and mass media, wouldn't also manipulate our religion? If not, could you please explain why?

The Pope's brother is currently under investigation for molesting over 300+ children.


Source?


But I guess it's a stretch to think these same people wouldn't lie to you about religion, science, space or you know, the very nature of our reality.

The secret btw is sound --- it came before light. Manipulation of sound frequencies, vibrations call it what you will, can change the very fabric of our reality and is also the source of light.



Thank you and Goodnight!



... and then they broke up.




posted on Mar, 16 2017 @ 05:49 AM
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a reply to: chr0naut

Are you happy being snarky? Because if so carry on
I enjoy you!

Could you please answer this riddle though?

Do you not think the same secret societies that have manipulated our government, banking systems and mass media, wouldn't have also manipulated our major religion? If not, could you please explain why?

Or can you not recognize that secret societies exist and have been pulling the strings for very a long time. Quite literally in fact.


edit on 16-3-2017 by OwenandNoelle because: ashton kutcher and thorn seem legit right? #TrustInAshton #TooHandsomeTooLie #Hollyweird #Witchcraft



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