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Fear of reprisal led to MD-83 crash

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posted on Mar, 14 2017 @ 01:12 PM
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In June of 2012, Dana Air flight 992 slammed into a crowded neighborhood in Lagos, killing all 153 people on board, and at least 6 on the ground. Just before the accident, the crew radioed that they had dual engine failure.

Nigerian investigators released their report into the crash today. There was no FDR data, as it was apparently too badly damaged. The CVR recorded 31 minutes, starting approximately 16 minutes after takeoff. The crew was already discussing a discrepancy between throttle setting and power out of the #1 engine. The crew discussed diverting, but at one point the captain said if they declared an emergency and landed, the CAA would go after them.

During final approach, the #2 engine stopped responding to throttle settings. Neither engine flamed out, but the crew didn't have enough power to maintain altitude.

www.flightglobal.com...

en.m.wikipedia.org...

www.canadianunderwriter.ca...




posted on Mar, 14 2017 @ 01:50 PM
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Aircraft should be flown from the captains seat, not a politicians desk. Very unfortunate that pilots in every country are always concerned how it will look on paper, not how it works in the air. The FAA always defaults to pilot error when in doubt.



posted on Mar, 14 2017 @ 02:04 PM
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a reply to: WUNK22

Culture always plays a role. With some it's extremely difficult to convince them to speak up about problems. With others, it's difficult to convince them that there won't be reprisals for speaking up about something.



posted on Mar, 14 2017 @ 02:11 PM
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a reply to: Zaphod58

Interesting stuff.

Thanks

And while I'm at it, knowing full well that you're the expert......and that I'm not, I would we used to fly A LOT, as my Dad was an Oil Company Exec stationed overseas. We had an "interesting" experience aboard a McDonnel Douglas air liner, (too young to have noticed the model number); two of four engines failed and the pilot was forced to make an emergency landing into Dulles Intl. in DC.

Since that time and to this day, my Father, (and I as well), will only fly on Boeing aircraft, with the exception that of late we've been forced to fly on Airbus, which, frankly, in terms of quality, reminds me a lot of MD.



posted on Mar, 14 2017 @ 06:59 PM
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a reply to: TonyS

If it was a four engined MDC jet then it was a DC-8. Having engines fail has little if anything to do with who designs the airframe and everything to do with who manufactures the engines, how they are maintained and what the specific operating conditions were. Additionally early model jets like the DC-8/B707 had engines that by today's standards were crude and unreliable, therefore they frequently failed in flight. I know many an old engineer who's mortgage was handsomely paid from overtime money earned on unscheduled overseas engine changes, and those were almost all B707 and early model P&W JT-9 powered B747. In fact the early JT-9's were so notoriously unreliable that Boeing made provision on the inboard left wing of the B747 to carry a spare engine to be uplifted when another aircraft required one to be flown and the stranded passengers picked up. This practice was continued on later models right up to the 400 series for P&W 4000, RB211 and CF-6 powered aircraft. And speaking of engine failures, what about the famous "Speedbird 9" incident in 1982 when a BA 747-200 lost all engines after flying into a volcanic ash cloud? Using your logic shouldn't you and your father have also avoided Boeing's as well?


Since that time and to this day, my Father, (and I as well), will only fly on Boeing aircraft, with the exception that of late we've been forced to fly on Airbus, which, frankly, in terms of quality, reminds me a lot of MD.

It NEVER ceases to amaze me how people still quote this Boeing marketing Dept mantra crap of "If its not Boeing I'm not going!". There is no logic to this thinking other than as a clever marketing exercise that has sunk as deeply into the public consciousness as "Pratt & Whitney, dependable engines", or "Coke adds life", neither of which is necessarily true. And when you say that when forced to fly Airbus the quality reminds you of MDC, what do you mean? If you look at accident and inflight incident statistics Boeing/Airbus are about about the same in revenue passenger miles. Frankly I think most Airbus airliner interiors have left Boeing for dead in terms of look and feel (same goes for their cockpits) until Boeing was finally forced to concede first with the 737NG Boeing sky interior and later the 787 that its cabins were a bit dated. That's putting it mildly, personally I think the 747-400 now looks like a junkies suicide chamber, dingy and awful.



posted on Mar, 15 2017 @ 12:49 PM
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So tragic. The lack of support and the mgmt level and the lack of assertiveness by the crew led to 159 people dying.

You can always find another job, you don't get life 2 or 3.




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