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but as long you are eating a variety of plant foods, you will get adequate amounts—
originally posted by: zardust
The condition of the animals environment changes the chem profile that you take in when you eat it. Grass Fed, pastured beef is very different from Feed lot, corn fed beef. The grains are what creates the high arachidonic acid profile of feed lot meat.
Also it is impossible to get adequate B12 from a vegetarian diet. B12 is only from animal products naturally.
The other issue is adequate amounts of DHA. You only get DHA directly from Fish. You can turn ALA from flax(mainly) into DHA but at a 60-1 loss, meaning you need to eat 60x the amount of flax as you would of fish, or fish oil. Every cell membrane in your body is made of EPA/DHA which is derived from Fish Oil, again from almost nowhere else.
Long story short. You need to eat fish at least.
originally posted by: snowspirit
I've found that as I get older, if I have to do any exercise, even snow shovelling, I have to eat (or drink) protein first.
I noticed this when I was shovelling snow a few years ago - I would get an ammonia like taste/smell in the back of my throat for awhile after, and light dizziness.
People always said "carb up", but that didn't make any difference.
I researched online and on the livestrong site, I finally found what he referred to as catabolism, which I don't totally understand, it's to do with a protein breakdown (?)
If I have even a small amount of protein, in any form, then exercise, I don't get the problem.
originally posted by: CulturalResilience
I have been a vegetarian since I left the Armed Forces, and I lift heavy weights so my build has always been good. I'm not quite so good at keeping up the cardio because quite frankly it bores the hell out of me. Since I hit my forties and quit smoking I have had a slight increase in body fat that would not to shift.
Since I did not want to give up alcohol (my one and only vice) I decided to try a vegan diet. After one week I lost two and a half pounds and had to make another hole in my belt and have not felt hungry. My muscle mass has noticeably increased and I feel much more energised.
When I hear people say you need animal protein to build muscle mass I always think of the thirty stone silver back Gorilla at my local zoo that is fed solely and fruit and veg, or the rippling muscle of thoroughbred racehorses. There is biological process in you r body that requires animal fat to function effectively.
originally posted by: snowspirit
a reply to: Scorpiogurl
Yep. And I had thought I was getting a good variety of foods in my diet, but I think as we get older we need to make sure that we don't consume so many waste calories on junk food.
When I was younger, it didn't seem to matter what I ate, and I had to build muscle to have shape. I was a skinny girl growing up.
Now, I retain more weight, 😕 and calories need to be healthier.
With age, we seem to absorb more of the bad, and have to eat much better for proper nutrition.
originally posted by: PapagiorgioCZ
a reply to: CulturalResilience
Where do you get collagen for your bones, cartilage and skin? Plants don't contain it. Are you scientifically mixing lysine and proline from various sources or you don't care much? I was mostly vegetarian for two decades and my connective tissue sucks badly. Arthritis, atopic dermatitis, allergies. I was thinking that I have Lyme but maybe gluten is the problem. After multiple vaccines (yeah, military shots) I got a grass allergy and wheat is kind of grass too. Our bodies don't like grains even without allergy. It contains many self-protective substances. Without grains it leaves you with potatoes, rice and indigestible legumes. Potatoes are even worse for cartilage probably because of solanine and chaconine. Btw Tomatoes belong to Nightshade family too and it's always harvested unrippen if you don't grow your own!
I'm actually switching to paleo diet as I type. Infowars Caveman paleo style! Screw it, without working cartilage I'm not able to work. This estrogenic, vegetarian diet is gonna kill me in this way. I've just started with bone broth, marine collagen and strictly testosterone herbs. No beer anymore. They are pouring us with beer everywhere to keep us weak, feminized and sedated lol. I'm a wine-guy from now!
originally posted by: Dem0nc1eaner
a reply to: PapagiorgioCZ
If you don't know already, check out Mike's Daily Apple, unsure if I can link and endorse his site but it's that + .com.
By far the most reasonable diet/exercise regime, presented with facts and citations, unlike the OP.
No offence OP, but I disagree with a lot of what you have said. Meat is not bad for you. Saturated fat is not bad for you. Heme iron is not bad for you (it's much more bioavailable than plant based iron). Like anything though, you must have a diverse diet, low on processed foods.
Look deeper into the research that states meat is bad for you. EVERY TIME I see one of these studies, it's meat eaters eating burgers, sausages bacon and steak. Even eating good quality steak for dinner every night would probably not be good for you in the long run.
But a healthy diet will include animal products EVERY DAY. Red meat maybe 3 times a week, fish and poultry the rest, lots of eggs and lots of animal fats.
If animal fat is so bad for you why does your body store energy as SATURATED FAT?? When someone is losing weight, they could be losing 3-4 lbs a week of fat, but that fat is being absorbed. In essence, they are ingesting 3-4 lbs of saturated fat (basically lard) a week, but noone would call that unhealthy.