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Breitbart takes aim at GOP healthcare bill

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posted on Mar, 12 2017 @ 10:58 PM
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As a Senator Max Baucus said in 2013, ObamaCare is a SLOW MOTION train wreck. The so-called "implosion" is really an increasing failure in efficiency of the system. Like non-stop driving a car with wheel bearings that get worse over time. You can keep driving the car at 70mph, but the wheel gets wobbly and hot over time...until one day it flies off the axle.

In some parts of the country, the ObamaCare wheel has already flown off. Only one ObamaCare plan left, and most doctors not accepting it.




posted on Mar, 12 2017 @ 10:58 PM
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a reply to: SBMcG

You think the ACA is the only problem?



posted on Mar, 12 2017 @ 10:59 PM
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a reply to: carewemust




In some parts of the country, the ObamaCare wheel has already flown off. Only one ObamaCare plan left, and most doctors not accepting it.

And in other parts of the country?



posted on Mar, 12 2017 @ 11:05 PM
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Obamacare premiums would have doubled this coming year almost everywhere, so the poor would be paying more too. I haven't seen an honest and precise determination of the difference yet between the two. The impending rise in the personal payment for Obamacare in the near future would need to be considered. It's lucky Obamacare made it this long. The government cannot keep biting the bullet on these costs too much longer, our debt is growing too fast.

What happened to employers supplying insurance? When Obamacare came in, many employers dumped the insurance and gave employees extra money and they signed up for Obamacare. What a mess that Obama caused.



posted on Mar, 13 2017 @ 01:17 AM
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a reply to: Willtell

I love how conservatives don't like that the tax credits will still be like "entitlements" while liberals don't like that too many people will lose insurance.

In other words, liberals think it screws too many people and conservatives don't think it screws enough.



posted on Mar, 13 2017 @ 05:20 AM
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originally posted by: olaru12
Ultimately the health bill will be the One Trump signs.

When Trump get's it all settled out, the pharmaceutical companies, insurance companies and health care providers will all come out great in the financial department....the American working man will still be stuck with outrageous bills and poor coverage.


Without govt. caps on medical and medicine cost, you are right. Japan has known this for many years. I pay 22 USA dollars a month here in Japan. Can't beat that. And I'm not even Japanese.





Once again they piss on your leg and tell you it's raining.

You wanted a businessman...are you surprised that big business is being given preferential treatment? I'm not...



posted on Mar, 13 2017 @ 11:37 AM
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originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: SBMcG

You think the ACA is the only problem?


I think the assumption that the Federal government has any constitutional responsibility to provide healthcare is the biggest problem.

If the states want to do so, that's fine, they are granted that right by the 10th Amendment.

But healthcare is NOT a "right" granted by the Constitution. The only way the ACA survived was that Obama, after lying for months, finally admitted it had to be a tax. Otherwise Congress would have had no constitutional authority to mandate people pay for something they might not want and the SCOTUS would have almost certainly killed it dead.

If the government just has to meddle in healthcare, then I want them to create an environment where every free-market option and advantage is brought into play. Of course there should be some oversight as well, but it should be minimal.

The ACA was just another attempt by the Left to get Americans hooked on the handouts crack.

We've been the victims of creeping socialism in this country for 70 years. if we don't start drawing some lines real fast EVERYTHING is going to be a "right" -- food, clothes, 4K TV's, pets. houses, etc...



posted on Mar, 13 2017 @ 11:38 AM
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I suspect that Trump is using publicly applied pressure via his media outlets to amend the planned healthcare bill.

Honestly, the only way to keep folks from being screwed is to just nationalize it. Or not. We can spend the next 20 years screwing up our healthcare system before we end up nationalizing it. Either way, i guess.



posted on Mar, 13 2017 @ 12:41 PM
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a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

And the longer it takes, the bigger the toll on what is left of the shrinking middle class.

Healthcare should not be monetized.



posted on Mar, 13 2017 @ 01:18 PM
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I can promise you all (GUARANTEED!) that if Breitbart has turned on Trump the only (ONLY!!!!) explanation is that Obama hacked the newspaper and has hijacked it from the righteous right! Is there no end to this masterminds evil plots!?!



posted on Mar, 20 2017 @ 05:33 AM
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a reply to: Willtell

How long is this healthcare argument going to continue? No matter what, in the final outcome we'll still have millions of Americans without healthcare and Americans will still be paying through the nose on premiums, pharmaceutical prescriptions and medical devices!


That's true. I read that the proper management of medical equipment has become an important issue in the healthcare sector. I think this is a serious issue because a high percentage of high risk medical devices being used without evidence of adequate training or maintenance. Last time we found x-ray scanner from Japan at bimedis.com... s-x-ray-machines for our hospital at an affordable price. It works great. As for me, I think it's necessary to order medical equipment only at reliable services.



posted on Mar, 20 2017 @ 10:44 AM
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Healthcare is NOT a constitutional right.
a reply to: SBMcG

Come-on, preserving a human life is a basic human right, who gives a damn if it wasn't written in the constitution! Back in the day they didn't have insurance companies CONTROLLING what medical treatment they're willing to cover based purely on their profit margins. Our forefathers didn't have a secret magic ball which gave them insight of what the future of the country would bring. We didn't have computers and the kind of technology we have today which has been used in spying on it's own citizens and trampling on the privacy rights of consumers. Nor did we have religious influenced terrorism, weapons of mass destruction, a global exporting and importing trade system, mass shootings. government lobbying, and an overseas foreign aid and military policy.

Our constitution is outdated and needs to be amended to address the ever-changing world we live in. We no longer live in the past with horse and buggies, but have much bigger problems than what our forefathers could have never in their wildest dreams imagined.

A citizen's basic human rights to have access to a doctor and medical care and to preserve one's life should not be based upon a person's ability to pay. Citizens of this country should expect a return for the trillions of dollars they pay in income and payroll taxes annually! After all, doesn't America tout itself as being a human rights leader in the world? Actions truly speak louder than words.


“You are not just for the right or left, but for what is right over the wrong.” ― Suzy Kassem



posted on Mar, 21 2017 @ 08:08 PM
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originally posted by: WeRpeons


... who gives a damn if it wasn't written in the constitution!


I do because it's a slippery slope to start doling out "rights" that we are not granted in the Constitution.

What might be a "right" to you might not be to me. Do people have the "right" to eat? They should, right? But where does it end?

For the record, the 10th Amendment fully empowers the states to do whatever they want with healthcare. I have no problem with that.

The Federal government is not so empowered. That's why Obama had to tell so many lies about Obamacare to get the American people to fall for it while at the same time getting it passed as a tax.

Why?

Because Congress has no power to force anyone to buy anything they don't want. It has to be a tax.

Liberals want it to be a perfect world where everyone is taken care of as long as others pay for it. Unfortunately, unless they outright confiscate wealth and property -- which they have tried, BTW..., that wealth would simply go elsewhere.

The best and only answer to widely-available healthcare is to empower the states to compete and keep the Federal government as far away from meddling as possible.




edit on 21-3-2017 by SBMcG because: Obama and Larry Sinclair.



posted on Mar, 22 2017 @ 09:39 AM
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Liberals want it to be a perfect world where everyone is taken care of as long as others pay for it.
a reply to: SBMcG

So I guess everyone's tax dollars going toward trillions in military spending and foreign aid is OK. We're certainly all paying for that! Many Americans don't agree with our intrusive foreign policy and it's involvement in world conflicts. Our constitution grants a military to defend our homeland not to police the world.

I guess it's also OK for someone to take money out of your retirement savings account to help pay for over spending by others, or to provide for people who never deposited money into your account? Because that's exactly what has happened to Social Security! American's have paid into Social Security their entire life, for most it's their retirement life line. Yet our government decides when and how much we get in return and dips into that account to cover for over spending and for people who never paid a cent into it!! If you or I did this, it would be called embezzling and we would find ourselves behind bars! Yet our representatives continue to take advantage of public funds for their own over- spending.

God forbid, you would lose your job and healthcare benefits, fall ill, and need expensive treatments to preserve your life. From your perspective, if you didn't have the ability to pay, our "brotherly love country" should just kick you to the curb and let you die! In the mean time, if our government creates a conflict overseas and needs your son or daughter to serve and sacrifice their lives for their country, they have a constitutional right to force them into service! Don't you think your government at least owes its citizens the right to preserve their lives, a life free of homelessness and starvation in return for laying their lives down for their country??? If not, what reason does a person need to fight for if they don't have their health or a happy life? Most would just pack their bags and look for greener pastures elsewhere.

I and many others want to believe America is different. It's a country that cares about their fellow man. Unfortunately, there are more countries who provide for their citizens than the good ole USA. The U.S. is quick to point out the lack of human rights of other countries, but they ignore the basic right for all of humanity. That is "to save and preserve your God given life!!!" To say this is not a human right is really being callous or you have never been in the position where you couldn't afford a life saving treatment. Most people wouldn't walk by a person who desperately needed help on the street.

I get tired of people saying, "well my money is going towards these people who are not supporting themselves, blah, blah, blah." They act like they're carrying all the Burdon just on their shoulders! The portion of American tax dollars going toward helping out fellow citizens is a drop in the hat compared to how much of our money is going toward supporting a military and foreign aid budget that spends trillions of dollars a year! Just think how much a fraction of that money could go toward providing health care to American citizens.

As far as welfare is concerned, sure our politicians need to re-structure those laws so it entices people to work for that government check. Handing out a "free check" and getting nothing in return is only causing some people from not helping themselves. However, these programs are intended as a safety net for people who through no fault of their own have lost their jobs or have fallen in tough times. Just think what would have happened to people during the depression if they didn't have a government program to help feed it's citizens during an economic collapse! Make no mistake, but These programs are also a safety net for you and I. Just because you never needed it, doesn't mean you or a loved one may need it someday. I would rather have my tax dollars go toward education, healthcare, food to feed the hungry, the homeless and unemployed, and infrastructure, rather than a war machine. In addition, along with billions of dollars in foreign aid to a country like Israel that is fully capable of supporting themselves!

We have representatives who are making salaries above and beyond most Americans for a job that should only be temporary and not a life long career. They have healthcare benefits most people could only wish for! Yet I guess it's ok for our government to use our tax dollars for these high salaries and benefits and than pass legislation which provides much less or nothing to their own constituents!

It's kind of telling when we don't hear complaining from countries who provide healthcare to all their citizens. Yet the U.S. has been arguing and complaining about the cost of healthcare for years! The U.S. will eventually pass another healthcare bill, which again will not address the high costs and leave many Americans without access to healthcare. Insurance companies will continue to tell your doctor what specific treatments they're allowed to perform. That certainly isn't FREEDOM for someone who is paying hundreds of dollars a month in healthcare premiums.



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