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NY officials to scrap literacy test for teachers because "Blacks and Hispanics couldnt pass".

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posted on Mar, 12 2017 @ 01:57 PM
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Why single out black and Hispanic teachers? I wonder if there are white teachers who cannot pass this test?




posted on Mar, 12 2017 @ 02:00 PM
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a reply to: Tiger5

OK but there are prominent and educated black liberals so that cannot be the full story! Something else is going on perhaps and your reasoning may be wrong.

What is going on is, that they hired a group of minorities that were at the bottom of their class, then when they don't do well on a standard test, they want to sell it off as minorities are incompetent as a whole.

They skirt over the fact that they deliberately hired people that had fared poorly on the testing to start out with, so they can now paint a picture of incompetence in the ability to learn among minorities.

The minorities that did well on the standard test more than likely had other goals, that did not include teaching.
edit on 12-3-2017 by NightSkyeB4Dawn because: (no reason given)



posted on Mar, 12 2017 @ 02:11 PM
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originally posted by: NightSkyeB4Dawn

they deliberately hired people that had fared poorly on the testing to start out with...

The minorities that did well on the standard test more than likely had other goals, that did not include teaching.


You're contradicting yourself there.



posted on Mar, 12 2017 @ 02:25 PM
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a reply to: Bone75

I don't see how.

Where is the contradiction?



posted on Mar, 12 2017 @ 02:31 PM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: gladtobehere

And you'll still find people lauding our public school system.



Usually because they have a financial interest into keeping the beast alive and paying them... or they are just partisans and the huff po tells them what to think.



posted on Mar, 12 2017 @ 02:38 PM
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originally posted by: NightSkyeB4Dawn
a reply to: Bone75

I don't see how.

Where is the contradiction?



You first suggest that they deliberately hired stupid minorities for the purpose of painting all minorities as stupid.

Then you followed that up by suggesting that the smart ones just didn't want to be teachers.

So which is it?



posted on Mar, 12 2017 @ 02:49 PM
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a reply to: Bone75
I suggested that the ones that did well on the test probably had other goals.

There is a huge gap between the best and the brightest and the

students from the bottom half of their high school classes.



posted on Mar, 12 2017 @ 02:57 PM
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originally posted by: gladtobehere

Test Meant to Screen Teachers Instead Weeded Out Minorities.


NEW YORK (AP) — New York education officials are poised to scrap a test designed to measure the reading and writing skills of people trying to become teachers, in part because an outsized percentage of black and Hispanic candidates were failing it.

This was an unintentional consequence.

The State was not trying to exclude minorities.

So now the State is going to lower standards or do away with the test altogether?

This is an example of political correctness with real world consequences.

Are people really going to allow illiterate or uneducated people to "teach" their children...?


I am 100% positive that people will allow undereducated teachers to teach their children solely based on the political correctness issue. And I am 100% sure that some of those that this study found incompetent will use the race card to sue.

Good times everyone! I guarantee NY is a great judge for the rest of the country as well...this is likely across the board in all US states.



posted on Mar, 12 2017 @ 02:59 PM
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I also guess that old saying "those that can't do, teach" seems appropriate.



posted on Mar, 12 2017 @ 03:02 PM
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originally posted by: seasonal
a reply to: gladtobehere

Perhaps that is why Trump want to scrap this joke of a department?



The case has been made again and again that the department demonstrates the effects of centralized power. Dems have been in power 16 of the last 24 anyway and yet what? Some call this stuff race based conclusion demonstrating many things other than what it is. They have teachers that can hardly be understood teaching already.



posted on Mar, 12 2017 @ 03:03 PM
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a reply to: gladtobehere

The education system has been lowering it's standards for years to accommodate an increasing lazy and apathetic generation. As a retired teacher this doesn't surprise me. We've lowered the bar and have made it easier for students to graduate or pass tests. I graduated from high school with a 2.9 GPA, and had to be on academic probation my first year in college because of my GPA.

Now there's open enrollment. If you have the ability to pay for college tuition, universities no longer put much emphasis on GPA's, if you have the money you're in! Do people really think a lot of these great high school athletes who get scholarships to colleges have outstanding GPA's???? In my own personal experience, the majority of these athletes had GPA's well below a 2.0. High school coaches would make the rounds to teachers asking them if they could raise their grades so their star athlete could be eligible to play in the next big game. It's a fact most high schools and universities don't hold student athletes accountable for their grades.

Instead of holding students accountable and failing them for not being responsible to educate themselves or prepare themselves for up coming tests, they make the tests easier or give them another chance to re-take the test. Heaven forbid if a High School or University shows statistics for an above average failure rate. The public would simply think teachers are not doing their job (or in reality, doing their job and not lowering the bar), OR the majority of the student body just doesn't care about taking their education seriously. It's all about statistics, federal and state funding based upon school performance and satisfying statistics for a particular demographics.

The most outstanding student I had in all my years of teaching, who was also our high school Valedictorian, was a Mexican immigrant. She was a model student, hard working, intelligent, respectful and well-behaved. To adjust testing because of a notion that a particular race is less intelligent is absurd and simply justifying legal racism.



posted on Mar, 12 2017 @ 03:04 PM
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Was the test in English? That's probably why so many minorities failed it, English is racist. Hispanics should have been allowed to take the test in Spanish if they wished, there's no reason why they need to be literate in English.



posted on Mar, 12 2017 @ 03:09 PM
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a reply to: NightSkyeB4Dawn


Maybe some just hope thats the reason. We have teachers down here, that get paid less but what can they do? They don't have the grades to go to the high paying schools. Local school has had problems for years the result is low qualification. Its not race related.



posted on Mar, 12 2017 @ 03:10 PM
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Globalists want their servants dumbed down.



posted on Mar, 12 2017 @ 03:11 PM
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originally posted by: TruMcCarthy
Was the test in English? That's probably why so many minorities failed it, English is racist. Hispanics should have been allowed to take the test in Spanish if they wished, there's no reason why they need to be literate in English.



Yes Spanish is not the language of a subjugator culture only English is.



posted on Mar, 12 2017 @ 03:21 PM
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originally posted by: TruMcCarthy
Was the test in English? That's probably why so many minorities failed it, English is racist. Hispanics should have been allowed to take the test in Spanish if they wished, there's no reason why they need to be literate in English.


Guessing this is sarcasm?



posted on Mar, 12 2017 @ 04:49 PM
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a reply to: Logarock

Maybe some just hope thats the reason. We have teachers down here, that get paid less but what can they do? They don't have the grades to go to the high paying schools. Local school has had problems for years the result is low qualification. Its not race related.

Like so many things in our society, it is more financially based than race based. The primary ruling color is green. Everybody wants the best, but they don't want to pay for it.

If they want cracker jack instructors, they have to be willing to sweeten the pot, not just give them peanuts.



posted on Mar, 12 2017 @ 05:14 PM
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a reply to: gladtobehere


It isn't political correctness. It is "adverse impact" and ignoring it would leave the state open to a huge class action suit that would be sure to be brought against them by anyone denied employment due to the test. The only thing that matters is that the test was somehow having an adverse impact on minorities, and that in and of itself makes it racist.

It may or may not be any number of reasons. It could be that the test was angled from a perspective that dminished minority performance.

If nothing else, it does give a rather harsh review of school performance overall, however. By their own standards the product of their education seems unable to pass muster. If there is adverse impact, its likely because educational bureaucracy has created the result.



posted on Mar, 12 2017 @ 05:20 PM
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a reply to: MisterMcKill

When I was in the classroom, there were tests you had to take that tested both your basic competency and your subject area knowledge.

I wish I could find it, but several years ago, there was a scandal in New York where the classroom teachers had been caught paying homeless to sit those exams for them at recertification time. That either said the tests weren't all that good or the teachers were piss poor or both if you could pay the homeless to sit them and have a better chance of passing than doing it yourself.



posted on Mar, 12 2017 @ 05:23 PM
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a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

This is the same line of thought that argues that expecting kids of certain ethnic groups to know the word "camel" is racist because their narrow experience doesn't encompass a camel.

You know what?

My day to day life experience growing up didn't encompass a camel, either, but I knew what it was because my parents cared enough to read to me as a little kid. That's basically all it takes and that's not a "race" thing; it's a parenting thing.



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