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originally posted by: Irishhaf
The Department of Education has given up on inner city kids long before this guy..
What is wrong with Vocational schools?
Some kids do not learn well in todays school set up... some need to be mobile and active not sit still for 8 hours a day...
Some folks do extremely well working with their hands, and what I saw out in Oklahoma vocational school do not carry the same stigma as they do for our "enlightened" city brethren.
Lastly... true inner city schools are a wreck for a number of reasons some include things that no matter how much money is poured into the school system it will not matter.
originally posted by: Tiger5
A recent editorial by the Pittsburgh Courier states
“Pennsylvania’s Senate Education Committee chairman is being rightly criticized for saying minority students from “inner-city” public schools would do better in vocational careers than in college.”
Pittsburgh Courier
Firstly this seems racist to me but I daresay some of the more (ahem) intellectually gymnastic contributors on ATS can attempt to prove that it is not a racist statement in these post -racist times.
Let me ask this. Why target minorities? Would he have said this about the Rust Bucket Communities?
This OP is not primarily about race. Th simple fact is that racists are happy and content with being racists and have no need to even consider their thoughts.
What really bothers me is the senator’s defeatist take on inner city education.
Consider
Inner cities have the full spectrum of academic ability as the rest of the population. Inner cities have a very significant proportion of kids in comparison to the rest of the US because Cities are bigger then towns. New York and LA are both megacities. Most cities have inner cities and ghettos.
Senator Eichelberger has simply given up on education in inner cities. He does not understand what it takes to educate our precious children. For all of his noise, the richest country in the world has a dire education rating in the world. No one can predict where genius originates. To put it mildly American education sucks in comparison to the rest of the world. That is why educated immigrants can take US jobs.
My opinion is this:
School education can be likened to a three legged stool.
I name the three legs:
1) Leadership
2) Parental ambition
3) The child’s wish to learn
It is no coincidence that I have placed leadership first. I ask myself what sort of ethos exist in the school. A recent article in the Economist also points out that good schools tend to have stronger classroom discipline poor schools on a national basis as well as an international basis. On this basis we should learn Chinese as they will conquer the US.
Based on my analysis. I suggest that the Good Senator do the following :
1) Review the current disciplinary framework and get the discipline of learning back into schools.
2) Develop the right of the parent to discipline their kids as they see fit.
3) Give the teaching leadership the right and training to enforce sounder educational discipline. Perhaps allowing some kids to leave school earlier may help.
And to think this idiot chairs the state education Committee!! WTF!!!
“Well, I have finally been the victim of a fake news story,” the statement reads. “The Carlisle Sentinel did a convoluted and incomplete story about my town hall meeting last week, the Democrats decided to spin it even further, and other liberal media outlets followed along.” The Republican lawmaker, who represents Blair and parts of Cumberland, Franklin, Fulton and Huntingdon counties, continued. Hughes “is calling me a racist because I spoke about the failing schools in Philadelphia, located in minority neighborhoods, not preparing their students for college. He’s trying to say that since the kids are Black, that I think they’re not capable of learning. Wrong. I see the potential of these children and want to see them succeed.” Eichelberger made sweeping and insulting generalizations. Hughes is right in pointing out that the problem is many minority students are victims of Pennsylvania’s unfair school-funding system and some drop out of college because they can’t afford it. Despite the problem of coming from poorly funded schools, many African-American and Latino students overcome the obstacles and do well and finish college. The problem of underperforming schools is not just limited to urban schools that serve African Americans and Hispanics but also schools in rural areas and towns where mostly white children attend. The fact is that many American children, of all races, are not being properly prepared for the vocational careers that Eichelberger says would be better suited for “inner-city kids.”
originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Irishhaf
Yep.
I have a nephew wh's good with his hands. I know he has an undiagnosed learning disability and the school is content to sit on the ADD diagnosis he does have to explain it all away, so he's not getting nearly all the help he needs. But he would be very good in a vocational education setting because book learning even with extra support just isn't his thing. It's not that he couldn't do it; it's just not what he's made for and prefers. That's my oldest nephew's strength.
originally posted by: Tiger5
originally posted by: Irishhaf
The Department of Education has given up on inner city kids long before this guy..
What is wrong with Vocational schools?
Some kids do not learn well in todays school set up... some need to be mobile and active not sit still for 8 hours a day...
Some folks do extremely well working with their hands, and what I saw out in Oklahoma vocational school do not carry the same stigma as they do for our "enlightened" city brethren.
Lastly... true inner city schools are a wreck for a number of reasons some include things that no matter how much money is poured into the school system it will not matter.
Just a moment. I do not think there is a dam thing wrong with vocational schools but they are bound to go the way of all education in the US if they do not set up the building blocks of a decent school>
Fact is there is nothing wrong about working with your hands. They is plenty wrong with anyone doing a bad Job. Any work that allows survival is better than getting short -lived mega bucks as a criminal. However the world of working with your hands is changing and requiring the "3 R" and an ability to pass exams.
It is idiotic to grumble about immigrants taking jobs and not be prepared to overhaul the entire education systems as opposed to even considering Jim Crow education!
originally posted by: DanDanDat
Many of them (inner city pore) would be better served by vocational schools and/or training.
"Every one must go to college" is one of the biggest lies that our government and the big banks (and universities) have convinced Americans and it has been detrimental to our youth.
There is a skills gap I'm the US; their are many well paying jobs that are going unfilled because they take vocational training not a college education.
If those inner-city kids (and their families) where smart they would demand their school districts create pathways between high school and vocational schools. They'd wind up making bank while their whiter richer counterparts are paying the bank for student loans they got for an education they can't use.
Racist? Only if your a moron do you hold pore kids back in order to win some political debate by calling anyone with an alternative view a racist. The banks are laughing at you.
originally posted by: Logarock
So tell me then, with most urban city systems being run by black folk and being very, very political, how is it they are called Jim Crow? You want to call them house negros?
originally posted by: Logarock
a reply to: Tiger5
Been hearing for some time that many should go to trade school, white/black who ever.
If inner city or urban blacks are not being prepared properly for liberal arts type study then blame the mostly black administrators that run these schools. Besides we are just never going to see but a small number of students coming out of anywhere becoming intellectuals, math wizard physicists ect.