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posted on May, 2 2017 @ 04:05 PM
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a reply to: MrBig2430

If one bothers to do some research, a fair amount of reading, one discovers that March 3, 2012 Christopher Bollyn wrote of an interview he had with Wallace Miller, coroner of Somerset County PA. Eleven years after the fact, it turns out the reader learns why it was that Mr. Miller reversed his story in 2001. The FBI convinced him to be a "team player".

If one bothers to do the research, one learns the story of Susan McIlwain, also from that part of PA. Being a good citizen, she called the FBI that day to report a low flying aircraft as she was driving. When the FBI agents came by her house later that evening she described what she saw to them. She saw something much smaller than an airliner. In fact, what she saw was NOT an airliner, though she was not sure what it was.

Those agents leaned on her to say that she had seen an airliner. She was stronger than Miller, because she told the agents she would not change her story.

So yeah, there is evidence that the FBI in 2001 was just as corrupt and politically involved as it was when J. Edgar was running the show.




posted on May, 2 2017 @ 06:20 PM
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originally posted by: LaBTop
A reply to: D8Tee


TSD.? Transponder ?S? Display ..?

More primary remarks in the next minutes.
I go concentrate myself now on the AAL77 primary remarks, if you don't mind, since that is the meat of the matter presently in this thread



TSD Traffic Situation Display - It is used for Traffic Flow Management and is not used for separation. It gives updates based on radar systems providing updates to the TFMSystems. The updates are near to real time but have some lag in time from real time.



posted on May, 2 2017 @ 10:26 PM
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originally posted by: Salander
a reply to: MrBig2430

If one bothers to do some research, a fair amount of reading, one discovers that March 3, 2012 Christopher Bollyn wrote of an interview he had with Wallace Miller, coroner of Somerset County PA. Eleven years after the fact, it turns out the reader learns why it was that Mr. Miller reversed his story in 2001. The FBI convinced him to be a "team player".

If one bothers to do the research, one learns the story of Susan McIlwain, also from that part of PA. Being a good citizen, she called the FBI that day to report a low flying aircraft as she was driving. When the FBI agents came by her house later that evening she described what she saw to them. She saw something much smaller than an airliner. In fact, what she saw was NOT an airliner, though she was not sure what it was.

Those agents leaned on her to say that she had seen an airliner. She was stronger than Miller, because she told the agents she would not change her story.

So yeah, there is evidence that the FBI in 2001 was just as corrupt and politically involved as it was when J. Edgar was running the show.



Miller says that DNA shows those people were there.

So now he's lying, eh?



posted on May, 3 2017 @ 02:07 AM
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originally posted by: MrBig2430

originally posted by: LaBTop

Post by MrBig2430 in page 43 :
Why don't you come up with some hard evidence for your sneeringly remark on page 43.?
I'm still waiting for that.
I have my evidence at hand, and ready.
Do your homework too, now.


You have no evidence to counter what I said.

You have a fevered fantasy based on carbon fiber wings that don't flex like aluminum wings would.

Why do you lie and make stuff up?



I have a HUGE LOT of evidence at hand to counter what you said, and we are still waiting for YOUR evidence, on which you based that sneer on. And this one, again. Bad manners enough at hand, no evidence however.
So, bring it on big, man, and by the way, have a good look at the wing tips positions of a B757-200 in rest, parked on the tarmac....not flying at all....to begin with.



posted on May, 3 2017 @ 02:18 AM
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A reply to: pale5218 and to D8Tee :

www.abovetopsecret.com...
D8Tee, you could have saved me a LOT of typing (I worked my texts out from the video window inside ATS... ), when you had read and included the YouTube video Description part :

Courtesy: Rutgers Law Review
www.rutgerslawreview.com...
A New Type of War - The Story of the FAA and NORAD Response to the September 11, 2001 Attacks Full PDF transcript 83 pages here: http://(link tracking not allowed)/pANwPq
Video transcript is not completely synced, but included for reference.


At 55:45 in your posted video, Halleck of AAL says that he has another missing flight also, 77.
At 56:50 in, King and Halleck still were not sure which two planes flew in the Twin Towers.
They thought at least AAL11 was one of them, but AAL77 they were not sure of.
At 57:19 Boston FBI tunes in at FAA, and FAA tells them that they think AAL77 and AAL11 flew into the Twin Towers, and also, UAL175 was lost off radar.
At 57:42 in, FAA reports to FBI : FAA still thinks AAL77 and AAL11 are the 2 aircraft involved with WTC. And UAL was not believed to be involved at that time, but they had a report that UAL175 was off the radar.
FAA eastern region air traffic reported that UAL175 dropped off radar over Indiana (that was a radar hole there).
At 59:10 in, Herndon Center asks Indianapolis Center they need them to find,tell anything, or everything they can about American 77, where he is and if they have radar or not.
Then Indi Center says they lost communication and radar with him , in the vicinity of Henderson, HNN.
Around 1:00:10 in, John Thomas, Ops Manager gives a long explanation what they knew at that moment in time about AAL77, and advised that everybody had to know this right away, to get rid of the confusion with AAL77 that it was thought to be involved in WTC events, which he clearly explained at that moment, it was not.
He says ""AAL77 was over, ah, was just west of Charleston, West Virginia, at flight level three five zero, it's a heav-, heavy Boeing seven fifty two, and disappeared off our radar scope about twelve fifty six Z, a long with lost, ah, frequency.""
And AAL told them they had some, or an aircraft hijacked.
At 1:00:50 in, this is again an important radar hole event :
Thomas: Flight level, flight level three five zero.
Herndon Center: And he just, just lost primary, also?
Thomas: Lost all, yes lost, no primary, or ah that we could see.
Course we couldn't, wouldn't necessarily be able to pick up a primary there anyway.
Herndon Center: I'm assuming then that you're, ah, doing what you can to do a primary read, re-track on him, if you can do that.
Thomas: Yes, sure.


LT : Now, think a moment about two planes already, they lost primary tracks on, during the moments they were hijacked. I do not believe in coincidence regarding this subject.
The question rises then, how Middle Eastern hijackers at that time in 2001, could have known about these rare radar holes their exact positions and areas.? And how could they measure them from their plane seats, to know the best moment they had to overtake control.?
Why did they need the disappearance off radar at the begin of their hijacks.? Plane swaps.?
Or hiding their 180 degrees turns for main radars and get a time advantage before main radar would find them back.? Again, how did they knew then, about the right region to start their hijacking.???

At 1:01:05 in, Herndon Center asks : And then, ah, so at twelve fifty-six Zulu we lost front comm and radar. Any, ah, ELTs?
Thomas: No ELTs. (then they say goodbye to each other, and that conversation stops)

LT : what's ELT, and NOM.?

LT : then suddenly, at 1:03:00 in, overstepping a huge amount of flight time and distance, and the eventual ongoing primary radar tracking search for AAL77, the maker of this video switches over to radio contact between Reagan National Tower controller and GOPHER zero six. And advices him of ""traffic is eleven o'clock and five miles north bound, fast moving, type and altitude unknown.""
So that's just before AAL77 went into that steep spiral down maneuver. Where's the rest of the radar communication through NORAD, NEADS, FAA, FBI etcetera.? Do you really believe they were not frantically searching for a primary on their lost AAL77 flight, and that there are no audio recordings of that period.?

At 1:03:10 of 1:51:31, GOPHER06 is down to two thousand and reports that ""it looks like that aircraft crashed into the Pentagon, sir."" --more--



posted on May, 3 2017 @ 02:20 AM
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LT : then comes at 1:04:16 in, this peculiar message :
Scoggins: Military, Boston Center, just had a report that American 11 is still in the air and it's on its way towards heading towards Washington.
ID Tech: K. American 11 is still in the air?
Scoggins: Yes.
ID Tech: On its way towards Washington?
Scoggins: It was another, evidently, another aircraft that hit the tower, that's the latest report that we have.
ID Tech: Ok.
Scoggins: I'm gonna try and confirm an ID for you, but I would assume he's somewhere over, ah, either New Jersey or somewhere further south.
LT : then they go on to confirm if AAL is a hijack or not, and Scoggins confirms it's still a hijack.
ID Tech: And he's on his way towards Washington?
Scoggins: Could be a third, it could be a third aircraft.
LT : then follows a lot of panicky back and forth reporting, and they mention a tail number :
""November three three four alpha alpha."" Is that the one from AAL11.?
Then at 1:07:29 in, this :
[Background] Unknown: FO. FO says forget the tail chase, even though we couldn't find him.
Later on, a Sr. ID Tech says this :
""See this guy, they, Boston is the only one givin'us any kinds of decent, freaking input.""
And a lot of panicky reporting on the long gone AAL11 going on again.
At 1:13:37 in, Scoggins in Boston FAA is put on again about AAL77, so the maker of this video is mixing up times and reports quite a bit. Scoggins says at 1:14:26 in, that they don't have him on primary target, at any target up there, that they are ""just on a telcon."" He advices the ID Tech to contact Washington. Which she then does at 1:15:45 in.
Washington surprisingly so, says to her that they don't know anything about that....
Then a lot of back and forth with Langley Command Post, Giant Killer, Norfolk Approach etcetera, to scramble two, then three fighters out the wrong way, to sea...up to 1:20:17 in.
Then follows a few Delta 1989 remarks as a third hijacked aircraft...all up to 1:28:50 in to the video, and the audio is lost for part of the video, only text lines, then it picks up audio again.
Then Scoggins says he thinks Delta 1989 is not hijacked, but they seem to have a fourth hijacked plane in the air (UAL93).
At 1:28:50 in, at last UAL93 comes up. At 1:36:00 Herndon Center reports to FAA HQ that UAL93 ""is reversing course over Akron. They just lost his transponder. He's heading eastbound.""

At 1:40:25 in, Nasypany says : ""Negative, negative clearance to shoot."" then some more swearing, and then Nasypany says : ""Fock the code words. That's perishable information.
Negative clearance to fire. ID type, tail. Hey, let your guys know also.""
--more--



posted on May, 3 2017 @ 02:24 AM
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Then, at last, at 1:43:06 in, the shoot down order comes in :
Floor Leadership: You need to read this. Region Commander has declared that we can shoot down tracks if they are not responding to our, uh, directions.
MCC Position: Ok. I'll pass that to weapons.
Floor Leadership: Ok.
Then a Major Fox says : ""D-O is saying no.""
Then Floor Leadership and MCC Position both say that it came over the chat, and that Vice President Cheney has cleared them to intercept tracks of interest, and shoot them down if they do not respond, per CONR CC. (at 1:43:34 in the video)
Later on, at 1:46:34 in, a Major Fox says slowly this logical decision :
""Any track of interest that's headin' towards a major city you will ID, if you cannot diver them away from a major city, you are to confirm with me first, most likely you will get clearance to shoot.""
Then various military orders like that ROE (Rules Of Engagements) instruction are given out, up to 1:49:12, when this comes up from an unknown voice :
""This is a new type of war, that's what it is.""

Then at 1:49:31 in, up to the end of this video at 1:51:31, some written remarks are made by Team 8 of the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States, which team made this video, apparently. At 1:50:32, you see a list of Commission staff responsible for this report.
Is the senior Counsel & Team Leader the same person as the famous John Farmer that posted all his FOIA freed info, then took it off the Internet again, then reposted it at BlueCollarRepublican....as the 911datasets site?
And Miles L. Kara, Sr. is the former NSA specialist, who has his own website now, which I posted pages back.



posted on May, 3 2017 @ 03:29 AM
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originally posted by: LaBTop
A reply to: pale5218 and to D8Tee :


FAA eastern region air traffic reported that UAL175 dropped off radar over Indiana (that was a radar hole there).


Confusion from reports within the FAA, UAL175 was never in the vicinity of Indiana.



LT : Now, think a moment about two planes already, they lost primary tracks on, during the moments they were hijacked. I do not believe in coincidence regarding this subject.
The question rises then, how Middle Eastern hijackers at that time in 2001, could have known about these rare radar holes their exact positions and areas.? And how could they measure them from their plane seats, to know the best moment they had to overtake control.?
Why did they need the disappearance off radar at the begin of their hijacks.? Plane swaps.?
Or hiding their 180 degrees turns for main radars and get a time advantage before main radar would find them back.? Again, how did they knew then, about the right region to start their hijacking.???


The idea of turning off the transponders was somewhat elementary for what they planned. As we stated primary targets were hard to track and even if there was a good radar hit on the aircraft, moments later it could become invisible. Primary targets need eyes on them at every moment otherwise good chance you lose the target. If that occurs, it could be possible to pick the target up again but that becomes susceptible to other factors such as amount of airplanes in the area, radar interference and the primary target can can be weaker or stronger when re-acquired.

I would think that the plan to go stealth was to avoid predictability and possible being shot down prior to making it to their targets. If they saw a 180 degree turn, we could surmise these flights were up to no good. The next thing is putting fighters on them and shooting them down. The stealth mode of primary only worked well enough to get them to their targets before the fighters were effective.



LT : what's ELT, and NOM.?


ELT Emergency Locator Transmitter. All aircraft are equipped with these in the event of a crash, they have a pressure switch that activates the signal when the aircraft hits the ground hard.

NOM National Operations Manager. The position of Ops Manager at the FAA Command Center in Herndon. Ben Sliney was the NOM on duty, in many of the videos posted here.



LT : then suddenly, at 1:03:00 in, overstepping a huge amount of flight time and distance, and the eventual ongoing primary radar tracking search for AAL77, the maker of this video switches over to radio contact between Reagan National Tower controller and GOPHER zero six. And advices him of ""traffic is eleven o'clock and five miles north bound, fast moving, type and altitude unknown.""
So that's just before AAL77 went into that steep spiral down maneuver. Where's the rest of the radar communication through NORAD, NEADS, FAA, FBI etcetera.? Do you really believe they were not frantically searching for a primary on their lost AAL77 flight, and that there are no audio recordings of that period.?


There was a delay in the reporting to NEADS. The Indianapolis controllers weren't considering the hi jacking. The initial response by the controllers was the normal protocol, Lost Radio Comm and Lost Radar was strong indication the aircraft could have crashed or landed somewhere in an emergency. The controllers continue to search for the flight in different ways.
1) They called AAL AOC (airline ops center) to see if they could raise the flight on radio
2) They questioned other controllers to see if the pilots inadvertently switched back to a previously assigned frequency.
3) The question about the ELT, indicative of a crash.
4) They even called the local authorities to see if there were reports about an aircraft crash.

They didn't start putting things together until the news of the first strikes at the WTC started reaching the operational centers. This was also what AAL AOC was doing, they had the news on AAL11 so when AAL77 went no radio/radar, they suspected the worse and started to raise concerns to the FAA


edit on 5/3/2017 by pale5218 because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 3 2017 @ 03:50 AM
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originally posted by: LaBTop

LT : then comes at 1:04:16 in, this peculiar message :
Scoggins: Military, Boston Center, just had a report that American 11 is still in the air and it's on its way towards heading towards Washington.
ID Tech: K. American 11 is still in the air?
Scoggins: Yes.
ID Tech: On its way towards Washington?
Scoggins: It was another, evidently, another aircraft that hit the tower, that's the latest report that we have.
ID Tech: Ok.
Scoggins: I'm gonna try and confirm an ID for you, but I would assume he's somewhere over, ah, either New Jersey or somewhere further south.
LT : then they go on to confirm if AAL is a hijack or not, and Scoggins confirms it's still a hijack.
ID Tech: And he's on his way towards Washington?
Scoggins: Could be a third, it could be a third aircraft.
LT : then follows a lot of panicky back and forth reporting, and they mention a tail number :
""November three three four alpha alpha."" Is that the one from AAL11.?
Then at 1:07:29 in, this :
[Background] Unknown: FO. FO says forget the tail chase, even though we couldn't find him.
Later on, a Sr. ID Tech says this :
""See this guy, they, Boston is the only one givin'us any kinds of decent, freaking input.""
And a lot of panicky reporting on the long gone AAL11 going on again.
At 1:13:37 in, Scoggins in Boston FAA is put on again about AAL77, so the maker of this video is mixing up times and reports quite a bit. Scoggins says at 1:14:26 in, that they don't have him on primary target, at any target up there, that they are ""just on a telcon."" He advices the ID Tech to contact Washington. Which she then does at 1:15:45 in.
Washington surprisingly so, says to her that they don't know anything about that....
Then a lot of back and forth with Langley Command Post, Giant Killer, Norfolk Approach etcetera, to scramble two, then three fighters out the wrong way, to sea...up to 1:20:17 in.
Then follows a few Delta 1989 remarks as a third hijacked aircraft...all up to 1:28:50 in to the video, and the audio is lost for part of the video, only text lines, then it picks up audio again.
Then Scoggins says he thinks Delta 1989 is not hijacked, but they seem to have a fourth hijacked plane in the air (UAL93).
At 1:28:50 in, at last UAL93 comes up. At 1:36:00 Herndon Center reports to FAA HQ that UAL93 ""is reversing course over Akron. They just lost his transponder. He's heading eastbound.""

At 1:40:25 in, Nasypany says : ""Negative, negative clearance to shoot."" then some more swearing, and then Nasypany says : ""Fock the code words. That's perishable information.
Negative clearance to fire. ID type, tail. Hey, let your guys know also.""
--more--


It was covered earlier, they first heard of the WTC, they were assuming AAL11 was one but then a report of AAL11 still airborne created enough confusion that effectiveness by the military was diminished.

There was, no doubt, confusion. From the FAA, Military and Airlines. One of the main reasons was the number of conferences being held. The participation by all the needed parties were spread out on different conferences. Each one of these conferences help participants that received and forwarded information, some of what was correct and some of what was incorrect. This was an immediate reaction to the WTC event and the growing concern of other activity happening.

You also have to remember that these flights were not the only suspected aircraft. They were tracking down other flights, other concerns from reports and it was escalating very quick. Hind sight is easier to see what occurred but during those first few moments, no one had the complete picture and all the correct information.
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posted on May, 3 2017 @ 09:03 AM
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a reply to: MrBig2430

You don't know the full story of Miller, and I expect that from a person who supports the official story.

FYI, in a nutshell, and partially already told to you, Miller and his men walked the field and found nothing suggesting a crashed airliner. They exited the field and told just that to the TV cameras.

Some time later the feds showed up, and realized that the cat had been let out of the bag. They leaned on Miller to "be a team player" and he did. Who is going to say no to the FBI? Very damn few, but Susan McIlwain did.

So Miller later amends his story to the media. They set him up in a temporary morgue miles away. The feds then brought him various DNA samples and he signed them off.

In the meantime, the feds moved the "crash site" from the open field to an adjacent wooded area owned by Jim Svonavec, and all access was restricted, even access by Svonavec himself, the landowner.

All the secrecy shows that somebody had something to hide.



posted on May, 3 2017 @ 03:16 PM
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a reply to: LaBTop


D8Tee, you could have saved me a LOT of typing (I worked my texts out from the video window inside ATS... ), when you had read and included the YouTube video Description part :
When I came back and read that you were interested in the video, I made sure to post a link to the transcripts hoping that would help you in your research.

I found the monograph at that site particularly interesting.Link



posted on May, 3 2017 @ 09:59 PM
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A reply to: Salander

www.bollyn.com...


When I first met Miller at his funeral home, I learned that the FBI had asked him to go along with their demand that they take control of the crash scene, as the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette reported on October 15, 2001. It was thanks to some local workmen who were painting his porch that this information was divulged to me and my wife as we interviewed Miller. They prompted Miller saying, "Tell them what the FBI told you." The FBI had asked Miller if he was going to be a "team player" or something along those lines, and go along with the FBI taking control of the crash scene.

So, that's how it occurred. The FBI took complete control of the real crash scene, which was in the woods beyond the crater. There were no remains in the reclaimed mine, where the crater had been blasted, because nothing really crashed there, except an air-to-ground missile. The debris that was seen in the crater was junk that had been buried in the reclaimed mine, reportedly old Coca-Cola machines. The aircraft debris field was located several hundred meters in the woods, especially around the property of the Hoover family. This was the closed area in which only FBI personnel was allowed.

The FBI was using heavy equipment lent to them by Jim Svonavec, the owner of the reclaimed mine, who told me in 2004 that even his company personnel were not allowed to be in the debris recovery area, which he said was at least 1,800 feet into the woods. These reports indicate that the real debris field extended over a very large area of the woods in which only FBI personnel was allowed. Even the people who owned the property and lived there, such as Barry Hoover, were not allowed to enter the area. Meanwhile, Wallace Miller, the coroner, was kept busy six miles away manning the provisional morgue. How much oversight could Wally Miller have of the recovery of human remains if he was 6 miles away?


Bollyn doesn't hide his rabid anti-Zionist feelings, but one thing is also sure, he always does include lots of references that can be checked :


The FBI took control of the crash scene. [Wallace] Miller had charge of a provisional morgue six miles away. Across the county, at Seven Springs Mountain Resort, he would meet with families of most of the victims.
- Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, October 15, 2001

Miller was among the very first to arrive after 10:06 on the magnificently sunny morning of September 11. He was stunned at how small the smoking crater looked, he says, "like someone took a scrap truck, dug a 10-foot ditch and dumped all this trash into it." Once he was able to absorb the scene, Miller says, "I stopped being coroner after about 20 minutes, because there were no bodies there. It became like a giant funeral service."
- Washington Post, May 12, 2002

"I wouldn't know how there would be any possibility how any remains would get to Dover… As far as I know, nothing else left here except the DNA samples."
- Wallace Miller, Coroner of Somerset County to AP, February 28, 2012

Jim Svonavec, whose company worked at the site and provided excavation equipment, told me that the recovery of the engine "at least 1,800 feet into the woods," was done solely by FBI agents using his equipment.
- Christopher Bollyn, "Controlled Press Ignores Questions about 9-11", September 17, 2004

--snip--

Note: For more information on the 9-11 deception at Shanksville, I recommend reading my articles: The Hollywood Fantasy of Flight 93, Was Flight 93 Shot Down?, Eyewitnesses Saw Military Aircraft at Scene of Flight 93, and The Shanksville Deception of 9-11.

Sources and Recommended Reading:

Bollyn, Christopher, "The Shanksville Deception of 9-11", Bollyn.com, February 4, 2010
www.bollyn.com...

Bollyn, Christopher, "Controlled Press Ignores Questions about 9-11", September 17, 2004
www.bollyn.com...

Gibb, Tom, "Coroner's quiet unflappability helps him take charge of Somerset tragedy", Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, October 15, 2001
www.post-gazette.com...

Perl, Peter, "Hallowed Ground", Washington Post, May 12, 2002
www.washingtonpost.com...



posted on May, 3 2017 @ 10:52 PM
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originally posted by: LaBTop

originally posted by: MrBig2430

originally posted by: LaBTop

Post by MrBig2430 in page 43 :
Why don't you come up with some hard evidence for your sneeringly remark on page 43.?
I'm still waiting for that.
I have my evidence at hand, and ready.
Do your homework too, now.


You have no evidence to counter what I said.

You have a fevered fantasy based on carbon fiber wings that don't flex like aluminum wings would.

Why do you lie and make stuff up?



I have a HUGE LOT of evidence at hand to counter what you said, and we are still waiting for YOUR evidence, on which you based that sneer on. And this one, again. Bad manners enough at hand, no evidence however.
So, bring it on big, man, and by the way, have a good look at the wing tips positions of a B757-200 in rest, parked on the tarmac....not flying at all....to begin with.


I already read your stuff.

You take various stuff that kinda relates to the subject matter, and then make a lame attempt at twisting it into the conclusion you want.

Doesn't work like that buddy.

If you want to make an argument that can convince someone other than the mentally deficient you need to do better.

1- someone made the comment that a 787's wings are constructed differently that a 757's and therefore can't be used to determine wing flex. Haven't seen your response to that.

2- I made the comment that even IF you're right about 10' flex, not all the light poles were struck near the wing tips. Indeed, one of the diagrams you provide - originally from Larson ? - that you yourself use shows the pole being struck near the engine. And to make matters even MORE laughable, you've drawn in a plane lower than the other showing a massive amount of wing flex near the engine.

And you expect anyone to take you seriously?

I'll give you a single brownie point though for at least attempting to bring your own story.

It's so refreshing to see someone make the effort for a change instead of whining about how they want to see xyz evidence.



posted on May, 3 2017 @ 11:30 PM
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originally posted by: D8Tee
a reply to: LaBTop


D8Tee, you could have saved me a LOT of typing (I worked my texts out from the video window inside ATS... ), when you had read and included the YouTube video Description part :
When I came back and read that you were interested in the video, I made sure to post a link to the transcripts hoping that would help you in your research.

(LT : That was a pity then, since I do not read any new posts anymore, when I concentrate on a complicated post I am constructing, since I get utterly distracted by posts like the one from MrBig, people who only post some snidely remarks and do not include any type of research, just their opinions. The now famous, well known Twitter-Trump-mode-of-operation. I am btw still waiting for his defense text and thorough research. Don't have my hopes up too high, he will see then what I found out, too. And OS trusters do not like to admit any error.)

I found the monograph at that site particularly interesting.Link


I DO TOO .. !

First, interesting, that upside-down infinity loop in your avatar.

Second, I vividly remember in the first years after 2001, the appearance of a Team 8 group on the Net, that brought us their famous radar holes investigations, and their maps showing those. And their proposition that it was quite curious, that the four 9/11 planes crossed their flight paths above certain military airfields, and all started their returns to New York or Washington, inside such a, by them found, main, primary radar hole. Which knowledge could not be get by those hijackers, only by US people with access to military radar records...
But suddenly, this Team 8 disappeared from the usual places they posted their highly interesting research.
I am not sure if that happened after the first officially endorsed radar reports came out. But if you suppose plane swaps above military air space, then you implement military involvement, and then you should highly mistrust also all radar reports they bring out.
Btw, as said before, I do not think plane swaps were in the 9/11 planners mind, keep it as simple as possible, is their usual mode of operation.

Third, your screen name, D8Tee, early on already, did ruffle my neck hairs.
I really like Miles Kara his thorough 9/11 research approaches. And Dean Farmer his adoration of Miles, see the Intro of that wonderful DRAFT you linked to.

Thus, are/were you part of the 2002 group, or of the Dean Farmer led Team 8...?
Only one other name with a D in it from Team 8 : Dana J. Hyde, Counsel.
Or are you a fan of both, or one of these teams.?



posted on May, 3 2017 @ 11:41 PM
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Just chiming back in again. This is getting interesting.

My spider senses are tingling now.

Thanks LaBTop



posted on May, 3 2017 @ 11:43 PM
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a reply to: LaBTop




Or are you a fan of both, or one of these teams.?
Team 8 no longer exists.



posted on May, 4 2017 @ 12:00 AM
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A reply to: MrBig2430

1. Read again : I remarked long before that comment, that I could not find any wing flex details for planes build before 1990. Then Zaphod guessed it to be 3 m max at 825 KMH.
Which makes it quite clear for the well informed, that I talked about aluminum wings.

2. Do your homework, take some measurements in Google Earth their 2001 History files, they provide you with the possibility to draw lines in a 60.25 degrees angle, with an accuracy to a millionth of a degree.
And to find the EXACT positions of all the poles before and after 9/11/2001.
Use the 38 m wingspan of a B757-200 over the whole trajectory between pole 1 and the exact impact point, while its center beam (19 m) hits column 14.
While still all the way following a 60.25 degree flight path, like the OS says. (ASCE Pentagon Damage Report)
Impact was at column 14, second floor slab, at a point between the 4th and 5th window to the left of that west wall facade its 3 floors high, windows-indent.
Report back, where the right wing tip, hit pole number 1.
And how many mistakes Adam Larson made in his inserted plane drawing.
I provided you with all the necessary material, already.

I'm waiting, again, to see if you are capable of doing some serious research, or only try to be funny.



posted on May, 4 2017 @ 12:06 AM
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A reply to: D8Tee

But Miles Kara is STILL actively participating on the net...

Btw, I think you made some typos in your signature line, must it not be like this :

The sixth sick sheik's sixth sheep's sick

edit on 4/5/17 by LaBTop because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 4 2017 @ 12:37 AM
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A reply to: CaptainBeno

It WILL get interesting.

Are you a B757 experienced pilot, by "accident".?



posted on May, 4 2017 @ 12:39 AM
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originally posted by: LaBTop
A reply to: D8Tee


The sixth sick sheik's sixth sheep's sick


Yes, I noticed that and tried to fix it at one point in time, for some reason the apostrophe's disappear.




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