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09:44:41 (Tape 7982 B2A, Arrival Radar) Venus 77, heavy, set to go,talking to Washington ATC reported to Base Ops as 09:45 off Flight Strip 0945
That you can find in my post about the Miles Kara files.
That's 7 minutes before AA 77 slammed into the west wall.
Can you, pale5218, find out on the radar read-out, if GOPHER06 halted on the tarmac to do this, or if he performed that task in the air, while flying a holding pattern. I think on the tarmac of the start of the runway, it can however also be done in the air shortly after departure, a.f.a.I.k..
originally posted by: Zanti Misfit
a reply to: pale5218
Gee , that's Odd , I thought it was Already Proven that a Cruise Missile Disguised with Airline Markings Hit the Pentagon and left a Perfectly Symmetrical Round Impact Hole in the Building .
originally posted by: LaBTop
Could you, pale5218, look into my BOBCAT14, BOBCAT17 and WORD31 (E-4B, Doomsday plane) remarks in this 2009 post of mine in there :
originally posted by: Salander
a reply to: face23785
Yes you're missing something. According to the official radar data AA77 was overhead the building at 7000'. He began a right descending turn and less than 3 minutes later he struck the building.
If we do the math on the vertical speeds necessary to complete the maneuver in the required time frame, his rate of descent would have to be more than 2000FPM. That's a pretty tricky maneuver for a guy who could barely fly a Cessna who just slit the throats of US crewmen and had now assumed command of his first ever Boeing.
originally posted by: Pilgrum
That data is from the FDR as I recall. There's an NTSB animation of the entire flight and it indicates the pilot reduced altitude approaching DC until the Pentagon could be visually identified then did the wide turn to reduce altitude the rest of the way and line up for the strike. I have the animation but it's too large to upload here (67Mb flv file). It shows he was at around 8200' commencing the right hand turn and around 2000' exiting the turn at 330knots to accelerate into the building.
--snip-- The time separation is precise, six radar returns, one minute and twelve seconds. I’ve made the 25 second correction necessary for the NEADS radar clock for the individual crossing times. The radar clock adjustment is irrelevant, however. The two flights were also tracked by the Southeast Air Defense Sector, whose radar clock needed no correction. --snip--
--snip-- The following NEADS audio clip describes what happened at 0953 EDT just as the Quit flight was approaching the crossing point. It is conclusive that Quit 25 had been given the wrong coordinates and heading and that was corrected with the correction emphasized by Quit 25. Immediately, the Quit flight began its turn back to the North just as it crossed well behind the path of Venus 77. --snip--
Lawrence A. Dickerson says: To force it into the building more or less at the base of the wall where it hit, on the ground floor level, the hijackers would have had to be using FULL NOSE DOWN PITCH to do this.
Not true, says the FDR data given to us by the N.T.S.B. No aircraft in GROUND EFFECT wants to descend further into it at high speed. They all want to climb and even with 10 or more degrees of commanded nose down pitch, a plane of that class would still want to climb out of ground effect due to a huge surplus of lift it was generating. Any pilot wants to challenge this, be my guest. Simply is not disputable here. It cannot be done. This particular aerodynamic fact is irrefutably the most damning road block to the whole cockamamie story about the final portion of this outrageous flight.